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Ragnar69 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Could be possible expansion adding the DE jet pack guys, Scouges or whatever they are called.

I doubt it. These things almost never have any sort of followup/addon but there's nothing stopping you from making your own rules for them.

There might be White Dwarf rules for it

No, looks like the system is designed solely for models on flying bases and Scourges are on infantry bases.

All board games including Lost Patrol got additional rules in White Dwarf. Scourges though do not seem to fit the manouver mechanics, I agree.

From a fluff point of view (and I admit my DE knowledge is probably wildly out of date) aren't Scourges meant to be a protected messenger that you only mess with if you want to be a Pain Token for someone Much More Important Than You?

nothing to stop you adapting your own rules though, i suppose.

Edit: and now I have "Stop The Pigeon" as a scenario idea, and the theme song is stuck in my head!

Pilum wrote:
From a fluff point of view (and I admit my DE knowledge is probably wildly out of date) aren't Scourges meant to be a protected messenger that you only mess with if you want to be a Pain Token for someone Much More Important Than You?

nothing to stop you adapting your own rules though, i suppose.

Edit: and now I have "Stop The Pigeon" as a scenario idea, and the theme song is stuck in my head!

No Scourges are just rich Eldar who can afford body modification and better gear.
But they have to fight it out in the skies for territory just the same as Reavers and Hellions.

 Kirasu wrote:
I don't understand why people think they're "saving" money on this game. Okay yes, if you actually believe that the MSRP of Dark Eldar is worth it and you plan on actually paying MSRP for such models.. sure. However, that also means you're one of the only people in the world that think so.

Hellions and Reavers certainly are no where near worth what GW charges compared to the second hand market and their relative worth on the battlefield.

GW says Mutilators are worth 60$ but you can't even sell them as buy 1 get 2 free!

Sure if you can get those on 2nd hand in good shape(preferably unassembled. At minimum unpainted. Hard to believe you can find painted cheap enough on 2nd hand market to make it worthwhile though....) sure. Get them.

I find 50% or more discount on 2nd hand are usually painted(not worth it compared to getting discount this gives) or badly assembled or discount is less.

As for rules...Not all are limited on GW rules so that's irrelevant for pricing of models.

ZergSmasher wrote:I've never been interested in Dark Eldar as an army before, but if this set is cheap enough I might just get it. Problem is, once I buy something small for an army, it usually wants to get bigger. Next thing you know, I'll have like 2500 points of DE models and wonder where the hell they all came from.

I am sure that is what GW wants. Why do I think this is GW plan after all. Give people a cheaper sample of the plastic crack and hope they got some addicts for that that codex. It's why I stay away. I am like you, I would end up spending more, for just because I need more then.

 dan2026 wrote:

Pilum wrote:
From a fluff point of view (and I admit my DE knowledge is probably wildly out of date) aren't Scourges meant to be a protected messenger that you only mess with if you want to be a Pain Token for someone Much More Important Than You?

nothing to stop you adapting your own rules though, i suppose.

Edit: and now I have "Stop The Pigeon" as a scenario idea, and the theme song is stuck in my head!

No Scourges are just rich Eldar who can afford body modification and better gear.
But they have to fight it out in the skies for territory just the same as Reavers and Hellions.

No, Pilum's correct. Scourge are used as mercenaries and messengers and are considered so valuable at their job that anyone that kills a Scourge (presumably outside of a combat situation) is likely to find themselves hunted down by powerful Kabals. As such I wouldn't expect the Reaver and Hellion gangs to get involved with them.

They're both correct. Scourges do serve as messengers, with the understood protection of the Kabals.

They also fight for territory in the Commorragh airspace, though, presumably when 'off duty' against gangs of Hellions/Reavers who are outlaws or disdainful of the Kabals already.

I do hope that they make a white dwarf article that includes rules for scourges, at minimum. Flying bases or not, scourges fit the bill, thematically.

It would be kinda neat to see something similar to mordheim, where you could hire a big baddie. That way we could see a Talos or a Venom introduced into the game. Would have to make a new protractor for the larger bases though.

I could see some rules for a necron scenario, since they utilize the webway via dolmen gates, apparently. Tomb blades, wraiths perhaps, or even a tomb spyder. Just as a fun one off kind of thing. Help sell models and add some variety to the game.
In the same vein, craftworld kinstrife in the webway like we saw in the "jetbike duel" mini game from white dwarf 287.

There are a few plausible potential ways to expand the game experience.

They will do a playthrough of it on warhammer live next Thursday. It will be interesting to see how it plays.

I might pick this up anyway, just for the models. I have a small Wych Cult force (seriously just 10 Wyches and a Succubus) that these models would thematically fit with methinks

Usefull way to get models ready for the.elder mash up part of.the gathering storm.

Chikout wrote:
They will do a playthrough of it on warhammer live next Thursday. It will be interesting to see how it plays.

While I get that they are trying to convince people to subscribe to warhammer live, playthroughs are the sort of thing that need to be on warhammer tv.
Mantic did similar stuff IIRC via Beasts of War, showing game stuff behind a pay wall.

 privateer4hire wrote:

Chikout wrote:
They will do a playthrough of it on warhammer live next Thursday. It will be interesting to see how it plays.

While I get that they are trying to convince people to subscribe to warhammer live, playthroughs are the sort of thing that need to be on warhammer tv.
Mantic did similar stuff IIRC via Beasts of War, showing game stuff behind a pay wall.

I wouldn't worry too much about the paywall. I suspect they'll edit the Twitch video and post that section on YouTube. As well as put it on the product page.

Also, other viewers tend to record the videos.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:

Chikout wrote:
They will do a playthrough of it on warhammer live next Thursday. It will be interesting to see how it plays.

While I get that they are trying to convince people to subscribe to warhammer live, playthroughs are the sort of thing that need to be on warhammer tv.
Mantic did similar stuff IIRC via Beasts of War, showing game stuff behind a pay wall.

I wouldn't worry too much about the paywall. I suspect they'll edit the Twitch video and post that section on YouTube. As well as put it on the product page.

Also, other viewers tend to record the videos.

I think he's Getting terms mixed up, since "Subscribe" is what you call Following on websites like YouTube.

So other people are on the same page Subscribing on Twitch is paying money to the Screamer every month of Bonuses. (Exclusive Emotes, ability to talk in chat if the Streamer Sets chat to Sub Only, Ect.) The thing is that Warhammer Live doesn't have it's Emotes set up, So ATM if you were subscribing to them you are bassicly just doing it because you REALY want to give $5 a month to GW.

Yeah, I'm sure I've got my terms wrong. I think you guys are getting what I mean though (i.e., it's not intuitively smart to me to hide advertising behind a paywall).

I like a lot of what GW have been doing over the past 12-18 months. But they still continue to throw a wrench in things every so often just to piss me off

 Lockark wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:

Chikout wrote:
They will do a playthrough of it on warhammer live next Thursday. It will be interesting to see how it plays.

While I get that they are trying to convince people to subscribe to warhammer live, playthroughs are the sort of thing that need to be on warhammer tv.
Mantic did similar stuff IIRC via Beasts of War, showing game stuff behind a pay wall.

I wouldn't worry too much about the paywall. I suspect they'll edit the Twitch video and post that section on YouTube. As well as put it on the product page.

Also, other viewers tend to record the videos.

I think he's Getting terms mixed up, since "Subscribe" is what you call Following on websites like YouTube.

So other people are on the same page Subscribing on Twitch is paying money to the Screamer every month of Bonuses. (Exclusive Emotes, ability to talk in chat if the Streamer Sets chat to Sub Only, Ect.) The thing is that Warhammer Live doesn't have it's Emotes set up, So ATM if you were subscribing to them you are bassicly just doing it because you REALY want to give $5 a month to GW.

Or maybe it's because you are at school while they are streaming and have to sub in order to see the past streams.

Just got off the phone from the GW rep - if this has not appeared before, this set will be £35...

That's... remarkably cheap

MongooseMatt wrote:
Just got off the phone from the GW rep - if this has not appeared before, this set will be £35...

That is a fantastic price. Less than half the price of the individual minis.

Huh, that would make it the same price as Gorechosen. Interesting.

That's a hectic price! I'd be tempted to buy a couple!

 privateer4hire wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure I've got my terms wrong. I think you guys are getting what I mean though (i.e., it's not intuitively smart to me to hide advertising behind a paywall).

I like a lot of what GW have been doing over the past 12-18 months. But they still continue to throw a wrench in things every so often just to piss me off

Old Habits die Hard. And by that I mean that Kirby is still in the board and is the major shareholder.

privateer4hire wrote:Yeah, I'm sure I've got my terms wrong. I think you guys are getting what I mean though (i.e., it's not intuitively smart to me to hide advertising behind a paywall).

I like a lot of what GW have been doing over the past 12-18 months. But they still continue to throw a wrench in things every so often just to piss me off

I fully understand. Just like the OLD White Dwarf, GW expect us to pay for their advertising.

While I am slowly understanding these Twitch and what not services, it still boggles my mine that GW wants us to pay for everything. This is why I SWEAR GW would charge us the very air we breathe in their stores if they could. I mean this is a time period where GW should be expending and getting the word out for "fresh blood". People shouldn't have to pay and get the word out for you, you need to do it your self.

Perfect example. Someone said Mantic. Ok, I thought let me see what this is. "OH I have to pay to watch this content? Not thank you and I still don't know what Mantic is."

Just like for GW. How on earth is GW going to expect to get new and fresh blood or people into "their hobby"? This is the stuff that should be free and trying to make up for all the wrong they have done. Guess it's same old GW trying to squeeze every penny you can. Yes I know they are a company and need to make money. Thing is, they are a company that have burnt a lot of bridges and have a long way of going before they become fully accepted again.

Then again what do I know. I barely know how to use Facebook. I don't know what Twitch really is. I don't know how to tweet. Time has passed me by so I guess I am missing something here when I have to pay for advertising.



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 War Kitten wrote:
I might pick this up anyway, just for the models. I have a small Wych Cult force (seriously just 10 Wyches and a Succubus) that these models would thematically fit with methinks

I don't think anyone is buying this for the game. It's the minis first, and maybe the game second. But I don't think one person said "I am buying this for the game only."

Just asked my local store and it is confirmed: €45,- for the boxed set!

 BrookM wrote:
Just asked my local store and it is confirmed: €45,- for the boxed set!

Same price as Gorechosen! YAAAY!

$60 USD.

Eyup, updated the subject to reflect this. Only thing we need now is a pre-order date, though seeing as the FLGS has been notified of it today, it'll probably go up for pre-order on the 21st and go on sale the 28th.

 BrookM wrote:
Just asked my local store and it is confirmed: €45,- for the boxed set!

Price from GW store? Or FLGS prize with discount?

Lord Kragan wrote:


Old Habits die Hard. And by that I mean that Kirby is still in the board and is the major shareholder.

Is currently a non-executive chairman outside of the company, does not involved in the day-to-day management of the company. Currently has been exceeded in number of shares and lost its first position to moving to the fourth.

December 2016
Shareholder. Number of shares Percentage
Aberforth Partners LLP 3,387,707 10.5
Ruffer LLP 3,187,405 9.9
Investec Asset Management 3,087,765 9.6
Tom Kirby Family LLP 2,134,186 6.7
Massachusets FSC. 2,044,385 6.4
Schroders plc 1,677,861 5.2
Artemis Asset Management LLP 1,620,001 5.1
FIL 1,516,682 4.7

That is some crazy good savings on those models. Just a touch over half off buying them individually. I'll have to be sure to pick up a box for sure and whatever new stuff is released for DE this year.

guru wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Just asked my local store and it is confirmed: €45,- for the boxed set!

Price from GW store? Or FLGS prize with discount?

FLGS, no discount.