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 krazynadechukr wrote:
The name Aeldari is used by 4 games out there already. How's Gw not getting in trouble.....?

Unlike you they did not bother with a google search

Callin' it right now...

The Aeldari and the Armies of the Imperium will have a detachment together.

changemod wrote:
For people who didn't buy into AoS, there was a -serious- breach of trust, and that trust needs to be rebuilt. Nothing is face value until it is.

And for people who did buy into AoS, they don't care.

I'm firmly in the "I hope they do AoS 40K--and all that implies." It's the only way I'll get back into 40K, or convince my friends who found the current version too overwhelming to get into.

Lets be clear though, 40K was never going to have the world blown up like Fantasy. There will still be Space Marines and there will still be space elves and a table of 40K will look pretty much the same as before. 40K sells as is, which is kinda crazy if you really think about it. It needs to be more accessible to new and returning players. It doesn't need gateways games it needs an inexpensive way to start playing this afternoon.

I think Aeldari signals an umbrella grouping of Eldar. It's not the first time we've heard this rumour. Are they going to advance the fluff so they never have to make plastic aspect warriors? Will Dark Eldar slide into Corsairs or will the later and Exodites be introduced to creates different flavours of Eldar that work together not unlike the way aspect warriors functionally are/were?

Iain.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The End Times fearmongering again... give us a break, folks... Things change, they always have, wait until we see what will actually happen



(Tony Hough, Space Fleet)


Also, Hi Robbie, thanks for chiming in and helping with the topic

Because as a rule modern GW tends to make things worse when they introduce change.

Even as somthing as cool as the heresy has gone from a 7 week lightning campagin, to a multi year long 50+ novel slog that at this stage the only people really happy with it are employed by the black library.

The rules are the same have there been many positive changes since 5th ed?

What about the great change to finecast?

What about AoS?

The only good change is that the models are catching upto industry standard's.

Chairman Aeon wrote:

And for people who did buy into AoS, they don't care.

Relevance?

I'm firmly in the "I hope they do AoS 40K--and all that implies." It's the only way I'll get back into 40K, or convince my friends who found the current version too overwhelming to get into.

Lets be clear though, 40K was never going to have the world blown up like Fantasy. There will still be Space Marines and there will still be space elves and a table of 40K will look pretty much the same as before. 40K sells as is, which is kinda crazy if you really think about it. It needs to be more accessible to new and returning players. It doesn't need gateways games it needs an inexpensive way to start playing this afternoon.

Your second paragraph answers your first, they don't really need you. It's the better selling line.

And uh, AoS really isn't more accessible post general's handbook. I looked into a Sylvaneth army after the general's handbook came out, and it would have cost me just as much as a 40k army of equivalent points. More, in fact, if you took the repeatability of the start collecting box out of the equation.

It was arguably more accessible when you could just throw whatever random models on the table, but at that point there was no balancing mechanism for pick up games. It only really functioned for dedicated groups who regularly played together.

changemod wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

And for people who did buy into AoS, they don't care.

Relevance?

I'm firmly in the "I hope they do AoS 40K--and all that implies." It's the only way I'll get back into 40K, or convince my friends who found the current version too overwhelming to get into.

Lets be clear though, 40K was never going to have the world blown up like Fantasy. There will still be Space Marines and there will still be space elves and a table of 40K will look pretty much the same as before. 40K sells as is, which is kinda crazy if you really think about it. It needs to be more accessible to new and returning players. It doesn't need gateways games it needs an inexpensive way to start playing this afternoon.

Your second paragraph answers your first, they don't really need you. It's the better selling line.

And uh, AoS really isn't more accessible post general's handbook. I looked into a Sylvaneth army after the general's handbook came out, and it would have cost me just as much as a 40k army of equivalent points. More, in fact, if you took the repeatability of the start collecting box out of the equation.

It was arguably more accessible when you could just throw whatever random models on the table, but at that point there was no balancing mechanism for pick up games. It only really functioned for dedicated groups who regularly played together.

You miss the obvious answer, have a basic and advanced rule set, win on both markets? Why do people have to be so black and white, you can like both types of game and they can easily make rules for both groups.

Can we please keep it to this book and release and leave any AOS imaginings, conspiracies, theories and whatever in its own thread?
Savvy?

I mean, saying things "always change" and then citing artwork from a game released 26 years ago is a little silly, lol.

40K has remained more or less static in terms of its setting since the release of 2nd Edition in 1993 (24 years), and more or less static in its ruleset since 3rd Edition in 1998 (19 years).

40K doesn't change. There has been a vocal minority of people complaining about it not changing for years.

So it's fairly silly to suggest there's no reason for people to be concerned with the fate of the 40K game. Unlike Fantasy, which was struggling to maintain its player base and attract new players, 40K has been continuously successful, and a lot of people have a lot of money invested in it the way it is now.


Personally, I'm more wary of them demolishing the setting with stupid stuff than I am with them demolishing the ruleset, lol. I have very little faith in the writing staff at GW. We did a live-read of the fluff from Death Masque and it was a hilarious comedy of needlessly overdone imagery and cumbersome sentences.


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the_scotsman wrote:
Games Workshop does not own Black Library? That surprises me.

It does. But the individual authors are not "employed" by Games Workshop, in the business-terminology sense of being "employees". They are effectively independent contractors paid out output (as in how much, or what, they write for publication). I'd venture to guess they also have little to no insight on the marketing and supply chain side of the business aside from how it impacts what they write about. As in, "Hey, Graham, we need you put a ton of Knight-Titans as protagonists/antagonists in your Vengeful Spirit book despite the fact that they haven't been mentioned in any other HH novels to date so we can use them as a shameless product placement timed to coincide with the release of our 40K-scale knight models." And "Hey Aaron, we need a book about the Emprah, but really, it's going to be a book about Custodes and Sisters of Silence characters timed to coincide with the release of our Custodes and Sisters of Silence models."

the_scotsman wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Firstly he's not an employee of GW.

2ndly : I think he's doing a great job both writing for them and with regards to his blogging.

and then have this dude calling people whiners

If one actually takes the time to read and think about what he's said, you'll discover the only people who he has referred to like this are those who are whining.

About something they don't really fully understand or know about yet.

No issues there IMO.

Games Workshop does not own Black Library? That surprises me.

I don't know about the quality of his writing, as I don't recognize his name, it's just surprising to see any kind of seemingly totally uncontrolled contact from a company in the midst of what seems to be 100% careful image control.

If GW learned anything at all from the reign of their last CEO and the furor surrounding Matt Ward, it should be "take all steps necessary to ensure that random comments from people you employ are not misconstrued as the attitude of the company at large." Regardless of whether people are actually being whiners, most companies try to refrain from engaging in internet flame wars, as it makes you look less professional as a whole.

I think calling this thread a flame war is a bit dramatic. And yep, reds8n is correct, I'm not a GW or BL employee and nor is there some draconian toe-the-line policy in place. You won't have to go far to find the opinions of various BL-published authors.

Great...now the jaws music is playing in my head

Chairman Aeon wrote:

changemod wrote:
For people who didn't buy into AoS, there was a -serious- breach of trust, and that trust needs to be rebuilt. Nothing is face value until it is.

And for people who did buy into AoS, they don't care.

I'm firmly in the "I hope they do AoS 40K--and all that implies." It's the only way I'll get back into 40K, or convince my friends who found the current version too overwhelming to get into.

Lets be clear though, 40K was never going to have the world blown up like Fantasy. There will still be Space Marines and there will still be space elves and a table of 40K will look pretty much the same as before. 40K sells as is, which is kinda crazy if you really think about it. It needs to be more accessible to new and returning players. It doesn't need gateways games it needs an inexpensive way to start playing this afternoon.

I think Aeldari signals an umbrella grouping of Eldar. It's not the first time we've heard this rumour. Are they going to advance the fluff so they never have to make plastic aspect warriors? Will Dark Eldar slide into Corsairs or will the later and Exodites be introduced to creates different flavours of Eldar that work together not unlike the way aspect warriors functionally are/were?

Iain.

I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, I've really loathed the changing of all the army's names. It's idiotic. It won't stop people from saying that something is compatible with "insert stupid name". It won't prevent people from making space elves, space orcs, space knights, sci-fi humans, etc.. It won't change that the design cues for most of their stuff are derivative in the first place or that a lot of the defining characteristics of almost every army, has now seeped out into mainstream enough that common usage (World of Warcraft as an example) means that almost nothing they make won't FEEL like it's something else.. So it's really like that kid who decides to take his ball and go home when he doesn't get picked.. but everyone else has their own ball anyway..
Product identity isn't the crux though to me.. because after all, a game about space knights, and space other fantasy creatures, will always be that. The energy wasted on all of that should have been funneled into research and development of a rules system that isn't horrid. They (GW) have been so intellectually constipated for about a decade now that they have lost sight of a market that has shifted drastically in a whole nother direction. They need to find their bearings, stop with the stupid antics, and focus on growing their playerbase and actually putting out a product that people who aren't die-hard GW fans will give a chance. I really don't think a company who has positioned themselves in a way to develop a truly astounding amount of bad blood should be taking a stance of any sort that isn't open, welcoming, and accessible. Everything else is just a passive aggressive way of continuing their isolationist development and marketing strategy.

Board games are cool, they open up the product to an audience. The product in it's current state, isn't something I think they should be opening up though. I bought the kill team box thinking.. hey, I can use this to get back in. I had heard it had a simplified rules set and was less convoluted. That turned out to be a massive joke. I opened it, saw a little datafax handout and boom.. a 7th ed rulebook. It's still sitting untouched. If they do "AOS" 40k, it would only serve to shake up the core mechanics, as basically, the names are already on their way to that stink pile regardless. Paring the rules down would be a blessing IMO but doing so in a way that rejects the core that players look for (army lists, force org, etc) is really that seemingly obvious bad decision that I don't think they'll be able to help themselves from making.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
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Personally, I'm more wary of them demolishing the setting with stupid stuff than I am with them demolishing the ruleset, lol. I have very little faith in the writing staff at GW. We did a live-read of the fluff from Death Masque and it was a hilarious comedy of needlessly overdone imagery and cumbersome sentences.

A universe with xenophobic bio engineered super soldiers who worship a corpse who has sat on a golden toilet for hundreds of years and wiped out planet after planet, race after race in his name.
The Inquisition and Ecclesiastical class
Space Elves, Orks, Space Vikings, Immortal sentient robots, endless alien swarms.
Beings who replace their parts with mechanical parts to improve themselves and are responsible for all tech for this military, chaos gods, soldiers who kill their own to improve morale...
Warrior Nuns who again worship this corpse.
Sado masochistic space elves...Harlequins ... Wraiths, Titans....
Various warp creatures..
All living hundreds and nigh thousands of years.
Grimdark at its best but hardly the Bard's prose.
Have you read D&D campaigns, Pathfinder, WoW, hell any other game....(except Chaosim they rock)...you get what you get.
Sometimes you get gold, sometimes you get tin. Even the ten has some gems in it.

I wonder what they'll re-name Tau and Tyranids to. lol.

Tyranids are safe (that's the joke ), but Tau will need a new name since you can't trademark a letter of the alphabet.

The Tau Faction will be renamed into KV-253 926-Tau'Nar'Yarlah Mont'Kauyo-57, commonly abbreviated to Tau but printed as the full title on all copyrightable publications and product boxes, so as to ensure prospective buyers that they are indeed getting a genuine premium GW product.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Messiah wrote:
I dont get the speculation about Ynnead. Is Ynnead not supposed to appear only when ALL Eldar are dead? Have I missed some new fluff?

Yes you have.

Spoiler:

In Death Masque, Eldrad attempts to circumvent this restriction by using the infinite circuits to prematurely bring Ynnead online. It fails, but a fragment of Ynnead still is created, but it shoots off into the unknown.

Thank you! That piece of fluff was well hidden.

I look forward to our Aenigmatic Aeldari overlords.

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
Callin' it right now...

The Aeldari and the Armies of the Imperium will have a detachment together.

We got a grand allience detachment for ad mec and one for the imperial. We didn't get one for both.

One just for all the Eldar on the other hand seems pretty likely.

I'm more worried if they are going to shoe horn the tau or 'crons into something.

Joyboozer wrote:
I look forward to our Aenigmatic Aeldari overlords.

I think you mean Ovaerlords, foolish human!

 Lockark wrote:

I'm more worried if they are going to shoe horn the tau or 'crons into something.

Well, GW could easily "confirm" that Eldrad created the warp storm that protected the primitive Tau and allowed them to develop into the technological race they now are.
There have always been hints at this and it wouldn't take much to elaborate and firm up certain details
Then you could roll them in with the Aeldari.

 Lockark wrote:

 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:
Callin' it right now...

The Aeldari and the Armies of the Imperium will have a detachment together.

We got a grand allience detachment for ad mec and one for the imperial. We didn't get one for both.

One just for all the Eldar on the other hand seems pretty likely.

I'm more worried if they are going to shoe horn the tau or 'crons into something.

I wouldn't expect them to.

I do expect us to get a book with the Tau present though. If anything, book two might be where we see it since the Webway is how the Imperials got out.

Personally, I'm satisfied and excited to see where this takes us. Of course you decide what to believe and I understand some lingering skepticism but in addition to warhammer community reassuring us they are not blowing up the world/setting like Fantasy the community team was clear to point that out early on when review copies of Fall of Cadia and the Gathering Storm were announced to reviewers. For me, the pieces line up over the past year and it's awesome to know for sure that my armies/models will be just fine. gak, if they keep packing better discount boxes at this rate I'll have another army.

Understandably, some players will wait and see and that's just fine. Whatever streamlining they're going to do can't come soon enough for me. Although...some of my joke predictions for this narrative moving forward don't seem so far off now.

But they did blow up a world, it was like, the first thing.

 Galef wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

I'm more worried if they are going to shoe horn the tau or 'crons into something.

Well, GW could easily "confirm" that Eldrad created the warp storm that protected the primitive Tau and allowed them to develop into the technological race they now are.
There have always been hints at this and it wouldn't take much to elaborate and firm up certain details
Then you could roll them in with the Aeldari.

Remember how the Brettonians found out their whole society was based on ideals instilled upon them by the Elf God of ''Just as planned'' in order to battle chaos? And that without that Elf God creating a leadership cast in that society they would have remained savages?

Ring any bells? My money is that Cegorarch and the Harlequins created the Etherals and it'll get revealed to Farsight late End times in a ''Big reveal''.

Stop. Go back.

This whole 'Eldar are behind the Tau' thing? Is there actually any canon background to suggest that, and if so where can I read it?

 Mymearan wrote:
I can imagine "Aeldari" being a more formal form of "Eldar", I doubt they're going to stop using the latter (like the author wrote).
edit: well I guess I was wrong.

They already have Eladrith anyway.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Stop. Go back.

This whole 'Eldar are behind the Tau' thing? Is there actually any canon background to suggest that, and if so where can I read it?

Just a lot of speculation if I remember right. The idea being the Eldar were following in the footsteps of the old ones and trying to explain the sudden appearance of the Ethereals given the control they have over the other castes. Which is actually quite odd, but remains unexplained.

 n0t_u wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I can imagine "Aeldari" being a more formal form of "Eldar", I doubt they're going to stop using the latter (like the author wrote).
edit: well I guess I was wrong.

They already have Eladrith anyway.

Which of course does NOT work with their elf rebranding to Aelfs in Warhammer/AOS whereas Aeldari does.

VeteranNoob wrote:Personally, I'm satisfied and excited to see where this takes us. Of course you decide what to believe and I understand some lingering skepticism but in addition to warhammer community reassuring us they are not blowing up the world/setting like Fantasy the community team was clear to point that out early on when review copies of Fall of Cadia and the Gathering Storm were announced to reviewers. For me, the pieces line up over the past year and it's awesome to know for sure that my armies/models will be just fine. gak, if they keep packing better discount boxes at this rate I'll have another army.

Understandably, some players will wait and see and that's just fine. Whatever streamlining they're going to do can't come soon enough for me. Although...some of my joke predictions for this narrative moving forward don't seem so far off now.

Joyboozer wrote:But they did blow up a world, it was like, the first thing.

Oh emperor, this exchange gave me a good laugh.

Indeed the new stuff cant come soon enough.

 pizzaguardian wrote:

VeteranNoob wrote:Personally, I'm satisfied and excited to see where this takes us. Of course you decide what to believe and I understand some lingering skepticism but in addition to warhammer community reassuring us they are not blowing up the world/setting like Fantasy the community team was clear to point that out early on when review copies of Fall of Cadia and the Gathering Storm were announced to reviewers. For me, the pieces line up over the past year and it's awesome to know for sure that my armies/models will be just fine. gak, if they keep packing better discount boxes at this rate I'll have another army.

Understandably, some players will wait and see and that's just fine. Whatever streamlining they're going to do can't come soon enough for me. Although...some of my joke predictions for this narrative moving forward don't seem so far off now.

Joyboozer wrote:But they did blow up a world, it was like, the first thing.

Oh emperor, this exchange gave me a good laugh.

Indeed the new stuff cant come soon enough.

\ teehee
that's hilarious.

The Tau codex speaks about the time preceding the Etherals arrival as having ''strange lights in the skies and mountains''. The, admittedly bad, black library book Fire Warrior expands upon this to also indicate Lithe figures in bright garb capering through the mists of the mountains.

At a similar time Xenology was talked about how a disected Tau Etheral has pheromone glands which the Xenobiologist suspected allowed them to control other Tau. Later in his life he discovered the exact same glands inside a royalty cast of a bug species on the otherside of the galaxy. In the mythology of that bug species long eared trickster species stole away one of their queens. 2 and 2 together, Eldar stole the queen and bio-engineered the Etheral cast. Those Eldar are described an aweful lot like Harlequins, as the word ''capering'' fits their MO and *if* there was a webway portal on the Tau homeworld it would *have* to be well hidden, otherwise Dark Eldar would've raided them an age ago.