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Hmm....about those aspect warriors....

has anyone seen those bizarre tree like things from the second pic?


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BTW in regards to the Blog from the Blood God rumor, I am still banking on Abbs coming back in a new body, it's too convinient to leave the character the entire story revolves around out until the third book, again reminds me of Archaon. I mean why else would Celestine get to stab him through the spine, I bet he has those titanium legs Lt. Dan bragged about to Forrest.

 Galef wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Also appears as though the visarch has some red incubi, looking less and less like Yriel by the minute.

And more and more like Arhra. Still could be Yriel, but I thought it was Arhra before I read that frontline gaming article about Yriel. I hadn't known about the Veilwalker/Yriel connection prior to that

As long as it isn't some made up, "no one has ever heard of before, but here he is" character I will be a happy camper

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He could be both. Phoenix Lords are effectively animated armour?

Spear of Twilight finally takes its toll, Yriel dons Arhra's armour because he has nothing to lose, Ynnead pops up and away you go with the Visarch.

(EDIT: with regard to the leaked formations, which seem to be Dire Avengers, Incubi and Witches and Harlequins and Storm Guardians)

Seems like a very weird mix. Also, isn't it unusual to see formations with finecast models in them?

 Red Corsair wrote:

.... I am still banking on Abbs coming back in a new body, it's too convinient to leave the character the entire story revolves around out .....

The Dark Eldar codex says hi. Most if its fluff revolves around Vect, yet no Vect. There is also a 2 page layout about an Archon that rose up from being a Reaver champion, yet Archons cannot take Reavers. WTF?

I hope Abby comes to play, but it would not surprise me it he didn't

Tyel wrote:

Spear of Twilight finally takes its toll, Yriel dons Arhra's armour because he has nothing to lose, Ynnead pops up and away you go with the Visarch.

MIND....BLOWN!!!
probably not gonna happen though.

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 Red Corsair wrote:
Hmmm, tinfoil hat time but I have a question, is gangs of commorragh a limited run? I ask because what are the odds they are burning through stock on a redundant item if the eldar merge into one book.

The saving grace I suppose is the formation containing storm guardians with the upgrade pack....unless...

Oh dear that does sound ominous. I sincerely hope not...

Tyel wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Also appears as though the visarch has some red incubi, looking less and less like Yriel by the minute.

And more and more like Arhra. Still could be Yriel, but I thought it was Arhra before I read that frontline gaming article about Yriel. I hadn't known about the Veilwalker/Yriel connection prior to that

As long as it isn't some made up, "no one has ever heard of before, but here he is" character I will be a happy camper

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He could be both. Phoenix Lords are effectively animated armour?

Spear of Twilight finally takes its toll, Yriel dons Arhra's armour because he has nothing to lose, Ynnead pops up and away you go with the Visarch.

If that's the case, do I still have to eat my hat?

@Tyel Arha allegedly never died. He doesn't have a ghost suit that is filled like the dread pirate robberts, at lesat it is never mentioned. Even if he did theres no way Yriel is taking over, it would go to an incubi, most likely Drazzar.

 Red Corsair wrote:
@Tyel Arha allegedly never died. He doesn't have a ghost suit that is filled like the dread pirate robberts. Even if he did theres no way Yriel is taking over, it would go to an incubi, most likely Drazzar.

I know is isn't "confirmed", but Drahzar is totally Arhra already. But in any case, we don't know if Arhra ever wore a spirit stone for the "essence" to be captured in the first place


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 Galef wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
@Tyel Arha allegedly never died. He doesn't have a ghost suit that is filled like the dread pirate robberts. Even if he did theres no way Yriel is taking over, it would go to an incubi, most likely Drazzar.

I know is isn't "confirmed", but Drahzar is totally Arhra already. But in any case, we don't know if Arhra ever wore a spirit stone for the "essence" to be captured in the first place

Yea that was my point, just not well articulated lol.

At this point I am doubling down on the bet that isn't Lady Malys but a new character as well. Though for me that is the only theory that I think is still possible.

What is it with all the fixation on Yriel? Ok, I can see the connection between Malys and Yvraine because of the fan. Might just be a coincidence because the sculptor just thought a fan belongs to a proper Victorian-inspired dress, but I can see why you might draw this conclusion. Might even make more sense that Yvraine is Iyanna Arienal, who was the first who believed in the Ynnead idea.

But probably the Visarch is just a new character they created for this storyline, like Greyfax and Cawl? They never appeared before, too. Yriel's fate is sealed with the Spear of Twilight, why should he lose it?

 Perfect Organism wrote:
(EDIT: with regard to the leaked formations, which seem to be Dire Avengers, Incubi and Witches and Harlequins and Storm Guardians)

Seems like a very weird mix. Also, isn't it unusual to see formations with finecast models in them?

It's not unusual at all to see formations with Finecast models in them. Traitor Legions just got several formations with that, Imperial Agents did as well.

It would be unusual to see a boxed deal for those formations containing the Finecast models however.

Wyches, Storm Guardians and Troupes?

Truly, the galaxy shall tremble in fear.

 stahly wrote:
What is it with all the fixation on Yriel? Ok, I can see the connection between Malys and Yvraine because of the fan. Might just be a coincidence because the sculptor just thought a fan belongs to a proper Victorian-inspired dress, but I can see why you might draw this conclusion. Might even make more sense that Yvraine is Iyanna Arienal, who was the first who believed in the Ynnead idea.

But probably the Visarch is just a new character they created for this storyline, like Greyfax and Cawl? They never appeared before, too. Yriel's fate is sealed with the Spear of Twilight, why should he lose it?

Well, first, Yvaine is a title not a name, so she could be (read: is) Lady Malys.
Second, the Spear thing can easily be that it killed Yriel and Ynnead resurrected him. Or the Spear was needed to bring Ynnead to life. Or Yriel was used to bring Ynnead to lfe in the same way as an Avatar of Khaine needs the "Young King", then Ynnead remakes Yriel are his right hand. This can also explain the lack of the special eye thingy he has too.

I am not trying to say the Visarch HAS to be Yriel. I am just saying that nothing, absolutely NOTHING, that we have seen so far definitively rules out him being Yriel.

I just had a horrible thought: What if they treat the story like Drazhar/Arhra. Neither confirming nor denying the Visarch's true identity.

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 stahly wrote:
What is it with all the fixation on Yriel? Ok, I can see the connection between Malys and Yvraine because of the fan. Might just be a coincidence because the sculptor just thought a fan belongs to a proper Victorian-inspired dress, but I can see why you might draw this conclusion. Might even make more sense that Yvraine is Iyanna Arienal, who was the first who believed in the Ynnead idea.

But probably the Visarch is just a new character they created for this storyline, like Greyfax and Cawl? They never appeared before, too. Yriel's fate is sealed with the Spear of Twilight, why should he lose it?

The fan bit makes me laugh, what other feature does that model have that is arguably more unusal? Bare feet. What none haemonulus (they are fething odd and twisted beyond eldar anyway) is the only model to also have bare feet? Lelith Hesperex. The paintjob even has similar eye tatoos/makeup and a similar scowl. Heck in the picture she is surounded by wyches. She even appears to be wearing a wychsuit under that bustle! Then the Visarch leads incubi while drazahr doesn't have a model ( I don't count that ancient turd that doesn't match the range let alone his own artwork). I think it's just as likely that it is Drazahr (Arah) and lelith.

Edit: BTW I am just pointing out some discrepensies in those previous theories, I still bet it's 2 new characters.

Am I seeing moving trees in there?


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 Red Corsair wrote:
has anyone seen those bizarre tree like things from the second pic?


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BTW in regards to the Blog from the Blood God rumor, I am still banking on Abbs coming back in a new body, it's too convinient to leave the character the entire story revolves around out until the third book, again reminds me of Archaon. I mean why else would Celestine get to stab him through the spine, I bet he has those titanium legs Lt. Dan bragged about to Forrest.

Yup

I don't agree with the Lelith connection, but the Visarch being Drazhar/Arhra would be awesome.
Even though I think fluffwise if makes more sense to be Yriel, I would personally rather it be Arhra.

Here's a thought: What if the Avatar of Ynnead is Yriel? Meaning that Veilwalker lead Yriel to a dormant Avatar and, since he was dying anyway, Yriel was the "Young King" sacrifice for the Avatar.
That alone makes me no longer think the Visarch is Yriel.

As for the "Ent" looking models. I am betting those are just terrain. Like weird trees on a Craftworld.

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First rule, Soulbound Vanguard:



"While a unit from this formation is joined by ~Name~ or ~Name~, add 1 to the Weapon Skill and Ballistic Skill(?) characteristics of the models in that unit. This benefit(?) does not increase the characteristics of ~Name~ or ~Name~."



Second Rule:



"While a unit from this formation is within (one-digit distance) from another unit from this formation, they have the Furious Charge special rule."



Third rule:



"Units from this formation can make a ~Name of Special rule~ (page reference) if they are within (two-digit distance) of a unit that is destroyed, rather than (one-digit distance)."

Cool stuff, hopefully the WarhammerTv team will react to the WD leak soon.

Thanks, Pretre, maybe they (the Blog for the Blood God) are correct again, let's see

 Red Corsair wrote:

 stahly wrote:
What is it with all the fixation on Yriel? Ok, I can see the connection between Malys and Yvraine because of the fan. Might just be a coincidence because the sculptor just thought a fan belongs to a proper Victorian-inspired dress, but I can see why you might draw this conclusion. Might even make more sense that Yvraine is Iyanna Arienal, who was the first who believed in the Ynnead idea.

But probably the Visarch is just a new character they created for this storyline, like Greyfax and Cawl? They never appeared before, too. Yriel's fate is sealed with the Spear of Twilight, why should he lose it?

The fan bit makes me laugh, what other feature does that model have that is arguably more unusal? Bare feet. What none haemonulus (they are fething odd and twisted beyond eldar anyway) is the only model to also have bare feet? Lelith Hesperex. The paintjob even has similar eye tatoos/makeup and a similar scowl. Heck in the picture she is surounded by wyches. She even appears to be wearing a wychsuit under that bustle! Then the Visarch leads incubi while drazahr doesn't have a model ( I don't count that ancient turd that doesn't match the range let alone his own artwork). I think it's just as likely that it is Drazahr (Arah) and lelith.

Edit: BTW I am just pointing out some discrepensies in those previous theories, I still bet it's 2 new characters.

Doesn't look like any wych suit I've seen, or any other existing armour in the three Eldar codexes. The tattoos are distinctly different to Leliths, but these days loads of people have tattoos anyway. Wyches can be hired as mercenaries. Incubi are always mercenaries, the only thing the Visarch being with them suggests is that he's got some money.

avatar of Ynnead looks pretty similar to a harlequin solitarie (Slannesh dance - pic form rogue trader era)



It even has a gem in belly

...or maybe not everything is what it seems.

 Galef wrote:

 stahly wrote:
What is it with all the fixation on Yriel? Ok, I can see the connection between Malys and Yvraine because of the fan. Might just be a coincidence because the sculptor just thought a fan belongs to a proper Victorian-inspired dress, but I can see why you might draw this conclusion. Might even make more sense that Yvraine is Iyanna Arienal, who was the first who believed in the Ynnead idea.

But probably the Visarch is just a new character they created for this storyline, like Greyfax and Cawl? They never appeared before, too. Yriel's fate is sealed with the Spear of Twilight, why should he lose it?

Well, first, Yvaine is a title not a name, so she could be (read: is) Lady Malys.

Just so we're on the same page, "Yvraine" is something that could either be a name or a title. I'm leaning towards name, as she was referred to as "Yvraine, the Emissary of Ynnead" not "The Yvraine, Emissary of Ynnead".

The Visarch and the Yncarne both had a "the" in front of them upon their reveals, which makes sense for titles rather than names. You don't say "I'm going to go visit The Dave, Supervisor to the Pharmacy".

 Galef wrote:
I don't agree with the Lelith connection, but the Visarch being Drazhar/Arhra would be awesome.
Even though I think fluffwise if makes more sense to be Yriel, I would personally rather it be Arhra.

Here's a thought: What if the Avatar of Ynnead is Yriel? Meaning that Veilwalker lead Yriel to a dormant Avatar and, since he was dying anyway, Yriel was the "Young King" sacrifice for the Avatar.
That alone makes me no longer think the Visarch is Yriel.

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You missed my point though. The model has visual cues that point to Lelith just as much as they would Malys, actually arguably more since Malys never had a model. Lelith has also been around since 97. The theorizing is based off some black library authors writing. that has never dictated how GW releases models.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 stahly wrote:
What is it with all the fixation on Yriel? Ok, I can see the connection between Malys and Yvraine because of the fan. Might just be a coincidence because the sculptor just thought a fan belongs to a proper Victorian-inspired dress, but I can see why you might draw this conclusion. Might even make more sense that Yvraine is Iyanna Arienal, who was the first who believed in the Ynnead idea.

But probably the Visarch is just a new character they created for this storyline, like Greyfax and Cawl? They never appeared before, too. Yriel's fate is sealed with the Spear of Twilight, why should he lose it?

Well, first, Yvaine is a title not a name, so she could be (read: is) Lady Malys.

Just so we're on the same page, "Yvraine" is something that could either be a name or a title. I'm leaning towards name, as she was referred to as "Yvraine, the Emissary of Ynnead" not "The Yvraine, Emissary of Ynnead".

The Visarch and the Yncarne both had a "the" in front of them upon their reveals, which makes sense for titles rather than names. You don't say "I'm going to go visit The Dave, Supervisor to the Pharmacy".

Ha ha that made me chuckle.

 pretre wrote:
First rule, Soulbound Vanguard:



"While a unit from this formation is joined by ~Name~ or ~Name~, add 1 to the Weapon Skill and Ballistic Skill(?) characteristics of the models in that unit. This benefit(?) does not increase the characteristics of ~Name~ or ~Name~."



Second Rule:



"While a unit from this formation is within (one-digit distance) from another unit from this formation, they have the Furious Charge special rule."



Third rule:



"Units from this formation can make a ~Name of Special rule~ (page reference) if they are within (two-digit distance) of a unit that is destroyed, rather than (one-digit distance)."

The names in question will be Yvraine and the Visarch, surely.

I guess the idea is to get a unit of Incubi hitting people at WS6 S5.

 Imateria wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 stahly wrote:
What is it with all the fixation on Yriel? Ok, I can see the connection between Malys and Yvraine because of the fan. Might just be a coincidence because the sculptor just thought a fan belongs to a proper Victorian-inspired dress, but I can see why you might draw this conclusion. Might even make more sense that Yvraine is Iyanna Arienal, who was the first who believed in the Ynnead idea.

But probably the Visarch is just a new character they created for this storyline, like Greyfax and Cawl? They never appeared before, too. Yriel's fate is sealed with the Spear of Twilight, why should he lose it?

The fan bit makes me laugh, what other feature does that model have that is arguably more unusal? Bare feet. What none haemonulus (they are fething odd and twisted beyond eldar anyway) is the only model to also have bare feet? Lelith Hesperex. The paintjob even has similar eye tatoos/makeup and a similar scowl. Heck in the picture she is surounded by wyches. She even appears to be wearing a wychsuit under that bustle! Then the Visarch leads incubi while drazahr doesn't have a model ( I don't count that ancient turd that doesn't match the range let alone his own artwork). I think it's just as likely that it is Drazahr (Arah) and lelith.

Edit: BTW I am just pointing out some discrepensies in those previous theories, I still bet it's 2 new characters.

Doesn't look like any wych suit I've seen, or any other existing armour in the three Eldar codexes. The tattoos are distinctly different to Leliths, but these days loads of people have tattoos anyway. Wyches can be hired as mercenaries. Incubi are always mercenaries, the only thing the Visarch being with them suggests is that he's got some money.

A wych suit is a skin tight black suit, which she wears. BTW I was demonstrating how it is just as easy to justify it being almost whoever you want.

 pretre wrote:
First rule, Soulbound Vanguard:



"While a unit from this formation is joined by ~Name~ or ~Name~, add 1 to the Weapon Skill and Ballistic Skill(?) characteristics of the models in that unit. This benefit(?) does not increase the characteristics of ~Name~ or ~Name~."



Second Rule:



"While a unit from this formation is within (one-digit distance) from another unit from this formation, they have the Furious Charge special rule."



Third rule:



"Units from this formation can make a ~Name of Special rule~ (page reference) if they are within (two-digit distance) of a unit that is destroyed, rather than (one-digit distance)."

So, is now the time that certain individuals take to general discussion and tactics forum to claim that this new formation shatters the game-time continuum and must be boycotted or 40k is dead, or do we wait until we get similar levels of rule details regarding the probable Carnival of Suck on the opposite page?

 Robin5t wrote:

 pretre wrote:
First rule, Soulbound Vanguard:



"While a unit from this formation is joined by ~Name~ or ~Name~, add 1 to the Weapon Skill and Ballistic Skill(?) characteristics of the models in that unit. This benefit(?) does not increase the characteristics of ~Name~ or ~Name~."



Second Rule:



"While a unit from this formation is within (one-digit distance) from another unit from this formation, they have the Furious Charge special rule."



Third rule:



"Units from this formation can make a ~Name of Special rule~ (page reference) if they are within (two-digit distance) of a unit that is destroyed, rather than (one-digit distance)."

The names in question will be Yvraine and the Visarch, surely.

I guess the idea is to get a unit of Incubi hitting people at WS6 S5.

Suits me, WS6, S5 Incubi sound like fun.

T3 and no invuls still makes them fairly unplayable in todays world of super powerful units.

 Imateria wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:

 pretre wrote:
First rule, Soulbound Vanguard:



"While a unit from this formation is joined by ~Name~ or ~Name~, add 1 to the Weapon Skill and Ballistic Skill(?) characteristics of the models in that unit. This benefit(?) does not increase the characteristics of ~Name~ or ~Name~."



Second Rule:



"While a unit from this formation is within (one-digit distance) from another unit from this formation, they have the Furious Charge special rule."



Third rule:



"Units from this formation can make a ~Name of Special rule~ (page reference) if they are within (two-digit distance) of a unit that is destroyed, rather than (one-digit distance)."

The names in question will be Yvraine and the Visarch, surely.

I guess the idea is to get a unit of Incubi hitting people at WS6 S5.

Suits me, WS6, S5 Incubi sound like fun.

Yea so long as the vsarch can start in their raider/venom. Of course this also hinges on his cost effectiveness.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 stahly wrote:
What is it with all the fixation on Yriel? Ok, I can see the connection between Malys and Yvraine because of the fan. Might just be a coincidence because the sculptor just thought a fan belongs to a proper Victorian-inspired dress, but I can see why you might draw this conclusion. Might even make more sense that Yvraine is Iyanna Arienal, who was the first who believed in the Ynnead idea.

But probably the Visarch is just a new character they created for this storyline, like Greyfax and Cawl? They never appeared before, too. Yriel's fate is sealed with the Spear of Twilight, why should he lose it?

The fan bit makes me laugh, what other feature does that model have that is arguably more unusal? Bare feet. What none haemonulus (they are fething odd and twisted beyond eldar anyway) is the only model to also have bare feet? Lelith Hesperex. The paintjob even has similar eye tatoos/makeup and a similar scowl. Heck in the picture she is surounded by wyches. She even appears to be wearing a wychsuit under that bustle! Then the Visarch leads incubi while drazahr doesn't have a model ( I don't count that ancient turd that doesn't match the range let alone his own artwork). I think it's just as likely that it is Drazahr (Arah) and lelith.

Edit: BTW I am just pointing out some discrepensies in those previous theories, I still bet it's 2 new characters.

Doesn't look like any wych suit I've seen, or any other existing armour in the three Eldar codexes. The tattoos are distinctly different to Leliths, but these days loads of people have tattoos anyway. Wyches can be hired as mercenaries. Incubi are always mercenaries, the only thing the Visarch being with them suggests is that he's got some money.

A wych suit is a skin tight black suit, which she wears. BTW I was demonstrating how it is just as easy to justify it being almost whoever you want.

We've noticed, you seem to enjoy going out of your way to try disprove everyone else's theores.

 Kirasu wrote:
T3 and no invuls still makes them fairly unplayable in todays world of super powerful units.

You've read the Guard formations from Mont'ka right?

There's a Core choice for them which is 150+ Guardsmen. With no ability to take transports.


GW isn't concerned with "playability in today's world of super powerful units". They have their ideas for stuff and it runs wildly opposite to the playerbase.