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2017/02/06 16:54:48
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
the_scotsman wrote: Come to think of it, now that we know Ynnari is a faction (meaning pre-FAQ bb transports) and we know Jain Zar can be in there, Jain in a borrowed DE transport is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
She deepstrikes in turn 2 in her Venom. What do you do? You run away from her, sheeee's gonna catch you. You blow up her transport, not only is that not going to leave a scratch on her, but then she charges you RIGHT NOW in your shooting phase and you've got a jain zar in your face on your assault phase. The only downside is her lack of Hit and Run, which would be truly bonkers - if she wasn't finished with gutting you in your assault phase, she could pop off and smash you in her own.
Yeah, Jain Zar with Banshees in a Raider could be excellent, and finally let Banshees see a use. Same goes for Karandras with Scorpions.
The only problem I can see is that they can't take Raiders or Venoms as DT's, I doubt they'll make any changes to the existing dataslates beyond removing Ancient Doom, Battle Focus and Power from Pain and replacing them with Hatred (Daemons of Slaanesh) and Strength from Death.
Yeah, they would have to be taken as FA slots most likely. That's gonna be one crooooowded slot with every unit crammed in there. Hopefully it's similar to Castellans and we get 0-6, there'll maybe be a spare slot or two for mixed transport shenanigans.
Hells. Just imagine if they have access to Beastmasters. Single Beastmasters are perfect offerings to the death god!
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2017/02/06 18:45:41
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
the_scotsman wrote: Come to think of it, now that we know Ynnari is a faction (meaning pre-FAQ bb transports) and we know Jain Zar can be in there, Jain in a borrowed DE transport is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
She deepstrikes in turn 2 in her Venom. What do you do? You run away from her, sheeee's gonna catch you. You blow up her transport, not only is that not going to leave a scratch on her, but then she charges you RIGHT NOW in your shooting phase and you've got a jain zar in your face on your assault phase. The only downside is her lack of Hit and Run, which would be truly bonkers - if she wasn't finished with gutting you in your assault phase, she could pop off and smash you in her own.
Oooh, 4 attacks at strength 4, that'll really gut things.
That's a colossal waste of points.
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2017/02/06 18:54:14
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
Mantle wrote: I wonder if a unit that's dedicated transport has been destroyed could then soulburst, I like the idea of a bunch of dire avengers rolling out of their wrecked wave serpent instantly opening fire on something as they do it haha I imagine there will be a fair few FAQ answers on this rule.
Yeah, it looks like it. Only non-vehicle units can take soulburst actions, but it can trigger off of any unit being destroyed.
Maybe after a FAQ but currently embarked units basically don't count as being on the table, so since there ride is dying first then they are getting out soulburst would not cork on their own ride, would work for other deployed units though.
the_scotsman wrote: Come to think of it, now that we know Ynnari is a faction (meaning pre-FAQ bb transports) and we know Jain Zar can be in there, Jain in a borrowed DE transport is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
She deepstrikes in turn 2 in her Venom. What do you do? You run away from her, sheeee's gonna catch you. You blow up her transport, not only is that not going to leave a scratch on her, but then she charges you RIGHT NOW in your shooting phase and you've got a jain zar in your face on your assault phase. The only downside is her lack of Hit and Run, which would be truly bonkers - if she wasn't finished with gutting you in your assault phase, she could pop off and smash you in her own.
Oooh, 4 attacks at strength 4, that'll really gut things.
That's a colossal waste of points.
You mean 6 attacks at S4 AP2 with shred?
Only reason I mention Jain Zar is her ability to basically duel any beefy character in the game and win, thanks to the -5WS/Init and Disarming Strikes. But you're right, for something like this you'd probably want something a bit more target-agnostic, like Karandras, with his 6 high WS and Init S8 AP2 attacks, or a Harlequin Solitaire, who trades away some of the pheonix lords' durability vs small arms for being a lot better at killing vehicles, monstrous creatures, whatever and has Hit and Run.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2017/02/06 19:05:28
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
the_scotsman wrote: Come to think of it, now that we know Ynnari is a faction (meaning pre-FAQ bb transports) and we know Jain Zar can be in there, Jain in a borrowed DE transport is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
She deepstrikes in turn 2 in her Venom. What do you do? You run away from her, sheeee's gonna catch you. You blow up her transport, not only is that not going to leave a scratch on her, but then she charges you RIGHT NOW in your shooting phase and you've got a jain zar in your face on your assault phase. The only downside is her lack of Hit and Run, which would be truly bonkers - if she wasn't finished with gutting you in your assault phase, she could pop off and smash you in her own.
Oooh, 4 attacks at strength 4, that'll really gut things.
That's a colossal waste of points.
Yea plus it doesn't work according to 7th ed rules.
Right, my bad, back to the argument as to whether 40k is in end times or not.
Didn't mean to derail the thread with an attempt at discussion relating to "The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news"
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2017/02/06 21:05:08
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
I've always felt like Jain was better of in a unit if striking scorpions. Sure the +6" to charge is nice for the banshee's, but the -5initiative is big for a a striking scorpion exarch who gets more attacks based on how much higher his initiative is than his opponent. I wouldn't doubt Jain though. Disarming strike is brutal against most opponents.
If your feeling constrained for fast attacks you could stick Jain with incubi and take a raider as a dedicated transport.
2017/02/06 21:07:19
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
the_scotsman wrote: Right, my bad, back to the argument as to whether 40k is in end times or not.
Didn't mean to derail the thread with an attempt at discussion relating to "The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news"
Ha ha, maybe you need a break from the thread for your own sake mate. Not sure how me bringing up the order of operations for resolving transport destruction is any more off topic. I mean, sure feel free to ignore others and continue playing the game incorrectly! Or, take a deep breath and if other posters are annoying you you can either A, hit the yellow triangle and explain why to a MOD or B, simply use the ignore feature and block the posters you find so offensive.
nintura wrote: Out of the leaks we have, do we have a definitive paint scheme yet? I know we have images, but I'm looking for certain paint names.
It seems like the studio will be pushing black and red though I am sure like any other release we will get samples of other splinter factions and their colors.
Oooh, 4 attacks at strength 4, that'll really gut things.
That's a colossal waste of points.
You mean 6 attacks at S4 AP2 with shred?
Only reason I mention Jain Zar is her ability to basically duel any beefy character in the game and win,
No, I mean 4. Once per combat she'll have 5 if she charges, other than that it's 4.
Also, she couldn't kill the characters that matter even if they were unarmed. 4 Str 4 Attacks with Shred will never do any damage to Iron Hands Bikemaster. He'll kill her unarmed.
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coblen wrote: I've always felt like Jain was better of in a unit if striking scorpions. Sure the +6" to charge is nice for the banshee's,
No such thing as +6" to charge.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life.
2017/02/06 23:32:27
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
When it displays his wargear it doesn't mention anything about his armour. The way they've been hyping up his super-ancient get-up I was expecting it to have special rules.
2017/02/07 04:06:12
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
Does anyone know how you get attack of the swordwind? This is the ability that let's enter from reserves on turn 1 and deep strike if able. With webway portals from dark eldar you can bring anything down turn 1 with no scatter. Really powerful with things like wraiths who can easily destroy a unit, letting you soulburst another unit you deep strike in.
2017/02/07 04:13:37
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
I feel like fluff-wise now that the IoM and the combined Eldar are representing the "Forces of Order" (such as it is) Ynnead will serve as the Eldar's "Emperor" figure going forwards, being some massively powerful entity that could give the Dark Gods of Chaos pause the same way the Emperor does, with Yncarne being Ynnead's representative in the material realm much like the Primarchs.
2017/02/07 06:58:16
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
Agiel wrote: I feel like fluff-wise now that the IoM and the combined Eldar are representing the "Forces of Order" (such as it is) Ynnead will serve as the Eldar's "Emperor" figure going forwards, being some massively powerful entity that could give the Dark Gods of Chaos pause the same way the Emperor does, with Yncarne being Ynnead's representative in the material realm much like the Primarchs.
Not all eldar are in agreement with the ynaari though, some dark eldar including vect don't want to change their ways and a lot of the craftworlds believe that the only way to survive is through discipline and the paths which will also cause a lot of in fighting amongst the eldar, I can see the most of biel-tan, now that it's pretty much destroyed and their plan to renew the old empire, will be part of the ynaari as well as a lot if not all of ulthwei from following eldrad. From the preview fluff that we have a lot of the dark eldar are following yvrain because they don't want to be ruled by vect who is harsher than the last lord of commoragh.
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2017/02/07 09:45:23
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
Goin on a bit off-topic, but they've posted a video on the Visarch onf WHTV. Also, hasn't Phil Kelly aged a lot since the release of Genestealer cults? He looked like he had gotten an extra decade lumped in.
2017/02/07 10:35:30
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
Agiel wrote: I feel like fluff-wise now that the IoM and the combined Eldar are representing the "Forces of Order" (such as it is) Ynnead will serve as the Eldar's "Emperor" figure going forwards, being some massively powerful entity that could give the Dark Gods of Chaos pause the same way the Emperor does, with Yncarne being Ynnead's representative in the material realm much like the Primarchs.
Not all eldar are in agreement with the ynaari though, some dark eldar including vect don't want to change their ways and a lot of the craftworlds believe that the only way to survive is through discipline and the paths which will also cause a lot of in fighting amongst the eldar, I can see the most of biel-tan, now that it's pretty much destroyed and their plan to renew the old empire, will be part of the ynaari as well as a lot if not all of ulthwei from following eldrad. From the preview fluff that we have a lot of the dark eldar are following yvrain because they don't want to be ruled by vect who is harsher than the last lord of commoragh.
Yep with Commoragh gone Vect has gone full Nero in his new city so a lot of D.Eldar are following the new God.
One of the book previews shows a DE bomber painted in ynnead colours with craftworld markings saying this was done to get into the craftworlders goodbooks.
It also says Kablite warriors have either outright abandoned there archons or they have taken to secretly supporting ynnead while paying lip service to there archon.
As for not all eldar following Ynnead that is temporary at best if ynnead can lead them to victory he will gain more support. He has all the Harrlies the majority of the D-eldar and certain Aspects even a pheonix lord.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
2017/02/07 11:56:38
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
Sorry, I can't help it, but this is to help you in the future
There == Going some place. "I'm going over there."
Their == ownership. Kabalite warriors have either outright abandoned their archons or they have taken to secretly supporting ynnead while paying lip service to their archons.
nintura wrote: Sorry, I can't help it, but this is to help you in the future
There == Going some place. "I'm going over there."
Their == ownership. Kabalite warriors have either outright abandoned their archons or they have taken to secretly supporting ynnead while paying lip service to their archons.
They're == Shortened for "They are"
Heil Nintura
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
2017/02/07 12:07:49
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
From THAT angle he's not bad at all. From the angle in the white dwarf, it's a different story. But please tell me why it looks like he has a pilot light for a flamer but no flamer barrel? And that the gun is not in his palm...
nintura wrote: Sorry, I can't help it, but this is to help you in the future
There == Going some place. "I'm going over there."
Their == ownership. Kabalite warriors have either outright abandoned their archons or they have taken to secretly supporting ynnead while paying lip service to their archons.
They're == Shortened for "They are"
Heil Nintura
Hey, you'll thank me when you apply for a job and they see your resume, or some other important feature down the road
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nintura wrote: Sorry, I can't help it, but this is to help you in the future
There == Going some place. "I'm going over there."
Their == ownership. Kabalite warriors have either outright abandoned their archons or they have taken to secretly supporting ynnead while paying lip service to their archons.
They're == Shortened for "They are"
Heil Nintura
Hey, you'll thank me when you apply for a job and they see your resume, or some other important feature down the road
Not to flog a dead horse but the issue for me is that the minature seems to have had every technique the sculptor knew how to do just thrown on it and on top of each other. It has no unified style or aesthetic it is layer after layer of extraneous detail it is terrible on every level with so much going on it blurs into a blob of blue and gold.
That ignores any issues with proportions and posing as GW seem to mindwipe there sculptors so they have never seen a human.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
2017/02/07 12:27:17
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
Well, that's beyond my level of knowledge as I have no arts degree. To me it looks like detailed armor. You have the outer detail around each armor piece, then each pieces has detail inside, so it's not a normal blank piece of armor. Add in a big Smurf Pauldron, a halo, and a sword and you have the model.
My concern was with size. He would have to be thin as a stick to be inside that armor because they used a normal human ratio instead. Armor is bulky in real life because it fits on top of your skin. So either that armor is really super thin or girlyman looks like Dhalsim from street fighter
Agiel wrote: I feel like fluff-wise now that the IoM and the combined Eldar are representing the "Forces of Order" (such as it is) Ynnead will serve as the Eldar's "Emperor" figure going forwards, being some massively powerful entity that could give the Dark Gods of Chaos pause the same way the Emperor does, with Yncarne being Ynnead's representative in the material realm much like the Primarchs.
Not all eldar are in agreement with the ynaari though, some dark eldar including vect don't want to change their ways and a lot of the craftworlds believe that the only way to survive is through discipline and the paths which will also cause a lot of in fighting amongst the eldar, I can see the most of biel-tan, now that it's pretty much destroyed and their plan to renew the old empire, will be part of the ynaari as well as a lot if not all of ulthwei from following eldrad. From the preview fluff that we have a lot of the dark eldar are following yvrain because they don't want to be ruled by vect who is harsher than the last lord of commoragh.
Yep with Commoragh gone Vect has gone full Nero in his new city so a lot of D.Eldar are following the new God.
One of the book previews shows a DE bomber painted in ynnead colours with craftworld markings saying this was done to get into the craftworlders goodbooks.
It also says Kablite warriors have either outright abandoned there archons or they have taken to secretly supporting ynnead while paying lip service to there archon.
As for not all eldar following Ynnead that is temporary at best if ynnead can lead them to victory he will gain more support. He has all the Harrlies the majority of the D-eldar and certain Aspects even a pheonix lord.
This sounds like your taking the snipits of information we've so far got and run with it. We have no idea what exactly the level of support for Ynnead is amongst the Harlies, Comorrights and Craftworlders.
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2017/02/07 12:40:16
Subject: Re: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
This sounds like your taking the snipits of information we've so far got and run with it. We have no idea what exactly the level of support for Ynnead is amongst the Harlies, Comorrights and Craftworlders.
Imateria I'm praying with every fibre of my being that you'll be proven a voice of reason here.
Like a true Tomb King, change (to AoS) has left me bitter and vengeful.
Admech: I'll make Graia work some day
Drukhari: 3rd Edition Archon. WhatWouldSkariDo?
2017/02/07 13:03:58
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part II: Page 68 BIG news
It would be extremely like GW to just decide that too many 12 year olds think the DE is icky, so all that gross "pain" stuff is only this tiny fraction of the dark eldar over here in the corner, and all the rest of the good guy "Drukhari" paint their stuff in bright colors and hang out with the mega awesome hero force.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
