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 kronk wrote:
And then Dorn arrives and tells them they're doing it all wrong!

Heh. Dorn's a dick.

Well, Dorn is dead... so, unless he was leading a retinue of LotD... wait... actually, that would be amazing.

Dorn is not dead! He's just missing! He'll be back, you'll see. He has your goddam titan transfers, at any rate!

Those of you wondering about Cypher, should check out the Dark Angels novels. Cypher is not what you think...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Those of you wondering about Cypher, should check out the Dark Angels novels. Cypher is not what you think...

There's a bit more to read here: http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/Cypher.html

But it's mostly "Cypher showed up at Planet B with 5 squads from Joe Bob's Chaos warband and did this thing here, but no one knows why."

 Gremore wrote:
Maybe it's because I have no interest in the models or rules presented, but Im really curious about what the fluff reasoning will be for Guiliman's return. I know we've been building up this whole "he's healing in stasis" deus ex for as long as the fluff has existed, but is it going to be as simple as like "hey your primarch hot-pocket is done cookin', let em' out" or will there be something more to it?

Smart approach would be something questionable to keep this going theme of creating inter-factional tensions.

The fluff will be Cypher sneaks up to the stasis chambers and realizes it was never plugged in...he plugs it in...pushes the red glowy button....hears a ding....and Voila!!! Out steps a primarch with a headache

These do not have to be Fallen (heretics) but could be from another era like Greyfax and Cawl or Dark Angels still loyal to the Emperor who have kept their armour through the ages etc. There are quite some possibilities, I guess.

I do hope that the rules for Cypher are as awesome as those of the rather expensive dataslate currently out now.

 kronk wrote:
Dorn is not dead! He's just missing! He'll be back, you'll see. He has your goddam titan transfers, at any rate!

HOW DARE YOU!

gungo wrote:
Less CSM crying you just got two whole campaign books dedicated to you building up to this 3 part campaign. I think it's fine the rest of the 40k factions got 9 models to share between them.

For the grey knight I'm going to guess loken or garro. Either one is huge in grey knight lore and whereabouts unknown.

Regarding rowboatman let's wait to see the actually model outside of blurry bent cluttered shiny white dwarf scans.

 Thairne wrote:
Yes. Chaos got nothing.
Besides Traitors Hate. Magnus. 1k Sons. Traitor Legions. Tzeentchian demons.

Seriously, show Chaos some love!

Pretty sure I said new models. 1k Sons doesn't do much for anyone but 1k Sons players. That's like saying a new Space Wolf codex should be enough for all SM players.

But if you want to talk about books, yeah CSMs got a bunch of expansions all based on an absurdly old CSM codex. A codex that was released at the launch of 6th edition. So here we are on the eve of 8th edition, and we get a few expansion books to keep our armies from being unplayable for a big campaign, only to have it all invalidated in less than 6 months. So exciting.

Also, last I check Tzeentch Daemons was an AOS book release, and new models for them are useless for any CSM players not playing 1k Sons. Which again, isn't a benefit for any CSM players who don't play that army.

And as I said in my post, the rumors were that a CSM triumvirate was coming next. That didn't happen, that's all I expressed disappointment in. I'm aware it is still likely coming. It doesn't change the fact that CSM is stiull using a 20 year old sculpt for Abaddon, among many, many non-existent or decades old kits. It's not unreasonable to hope those get updated when SMs have had multiple plastic kits for every flavor of marine out there.

I'm going to take a wild guess on the Grey Knight and say it's Vorth Mordrak.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Those of you wondering about Cypher, should check out the Dark Angels novels. Cypher is not what you think...

Or just head over to the various wikis. Cypher has been a mysterious anti hero since 2nd ed. He is on a path to Terra and he is supposed to atone for his prior deads.

Guilliman broke the sword originally. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lion_Sword

Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!

That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.

IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?

 Alpharius wrote:
Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!

Nevah! He's too much of a stick in the mud!

 Alpharius wrote:
Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!

I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.

Initially I thought the grey knight was Thawn, keeping the whole back from the dead theme going

Warhams-77 wrote:
These do not have to be Fallen (heretics) but could be from another era like Greyfax and Cawl or Dark Angels still loyal to the Emperor who have kept their armour through the ages etc. There are quite some possibilities, I guess.

Unless, they were right all along that the Fallen are in fact the loyalists, and the "dark angels" are the traitor branch.

 sfshilo wrote:
That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.

IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?

Hahahahahaha, yea unlikely. Unless the Aeldari decide to reforge a relic blade into a clear as day imperial sword and let a filthy Mon' Khye wield it

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!

I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.

You could be right there!

Maybe?

But as you noted, not sure that many thought Cypher was a 'traitor' other than the Dark Angels, of course!

But how much fun is that if we can't wind Kronk up about Dorn turning Traitor?!?

 BoomWolf wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
These do not have to be Fallen (heretics) but could be from another era like Greyfax and Cawl or Dark Angels still loyal to the Emperor who have kept their armour through the ages etc. There are quite some possibilities, I guess.

Unless, they were right all along that the Fallen are in fact the loyalists, and the "dark angels" are the traitor branch.

Or things don't have to be black and white and can be gray. Cypher and the fallen have their own none treacherous agenda while the DA are still good but misguided and to blind with rage to forgive them.

Well, guess I am gonna do some Fallen.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!

I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.

You could be right there!

Maybe?

But as you noted, not sure that many thought Cypher was a 'traitor' other than the Dark Angels, of course!

But how much fun is that if we can't wind Kronk up about Dorn turning Traitor?!?

Hahaha, silly me, I am the one misremembering... of course now I remember... Isn't Dorn supposed to turn bad and replace Abadon since he is the the grandfather of crusading and won't be outdone by Abadon?

Noticed that this basically confirms Cypher was carrying around the Emperor's sword.

The text on the page also confirms Cypher is still not a "good guy".

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!

I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.

You could be right there!

Maybe?

But as you noted, not sure that many thought Cypher was a 'traitor' other than the Dark Angels, of course!

But how much fun is that if we can't wind Kronk up about Dorn turning Traitor?!?

Hahaha, silly me, I am the one misremembering... of course now I remember... Isn't Dorn supposed to turn bad and replace Abadon since he is the the grandfather of crusading and won't be outdone by Abadon?

Not a bad theory - combine that with how much he hated the Codex - and possibly by extension Guilliman - that might be enough to push him over the edge!

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Could be that DORN is the Primarch that turns Traitor!

I could be wrong but I think your misremembering the rumor. It said a lyalist primarch would return and a traitor would turn loyal. Pretty sure Cypher is the traitor "turning sides" (he never had a clear side to readers) and Guilliman is it.

"Additional: I have heard loose rumours that 'a loyalist Primarch will turn, and a Chaos Primarch will turn Loyalist.' I have heard nothing more in this regard....but please be Alpha Legion....please be Alpha Legion. (EDIT: I have heard nothing solid on this! It seems to be intertronz conjecture)"

It's from a bad monger, as well.

 sfshilo wrote:
That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.

IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?

The page implies it's the Emperors Sword if I'm reading it right.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 sfshilo wrote:
That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.

IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?

Hahahahahaha, yea unlikely. Unless the Aeldari decide to reforge a relic blade into a clear as day imperial sword and let a filthy Mon' Khye wield it

Like when they let a Emperor Daemon, a Inquisitor, a Man-Robot, and an ass load of their minions just walk into a webway? Or when they helped the giant robot-man find that sword?

Dunno the Eldar seemed to be concerned with the big picture lately instead of laying low.

Also, the Emperor should still have his sword right? I mean it doesn't seem like they'd just lose it for no reason, and I do not recall any fluff where it has gone missing?

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/327298510998467/




"Remember, don't put that on the internet!"

Duncan: "What's the internet?"

Robute Guilliman is back.

http://imgur.com/1NzBtVx



edit: late to the party. Should have read the front page.

Something shady is gona happen between RG and cypher, I can feel it. RG is going to be honor bound, but will he double cross cypher? That would shed new light on the old eagle scout wouldn't it?


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 sfshilo wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 sfshilo wrote:
That sword is TOTALLY one of the five Aeldari swords.

IE: the eldar are going to use their new found god of death powers to bring back papa smurf......I wonder if he can ever part with that sword if this is the case?

Hahahahahaha, yea unlikely. Unless the Aeldari decide to reforge a relic blade into a clear as day imperial sword and let a filthy Mon' Khye wield it

Like when they let a Emperor Daemon, a Inquisitor, a Man-Robot, and an ass load of their minions just walk into a webway? Or when they helped the giant robot-man find that sword?

Dunno the Eldar seemed to be concerned with the big picture lately instead of laying low.

Also, the Emperor should still have his sword right? I mean it doesn't seem like they'd just lose it for no reason, and I do not recall any fluff where it has gone missing?

LMAO my DE lead tons of xenos through WWP all the time, means nothing, it's fasted route to getting slaves back. I also think your making some broad assumptions about what Cawl has with him.