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 Gremore wrote:
Maybe it's because I have no interest in the models or rules presented, but Im really curious about what the fluff reasoning will be for Guiliman's return. I know we've been building up this whole "he's healing in stasis" deus ex for as long as the fluff has existed, but is it going to be as simple as like "hey your primarch hot-pocket is done cookin', let em' out" or will there be something more to it?

Smart approach would be something questionable to keep this going theme of creating inter-factional tensions.

They can use another magic ball to fix him like it fixed vulkans head/brains.

Also didn't they say the orb is what made vulkan immortal .

 Gremore wrote:
Maybe it's because I have no interest in the models or rules presented, but Im really curious about what the fluff reasoning will be for Guiliman's return. I know we've been building up this whole "he's healing in stasis" deus ex for as long as the fluff has existed, but is it going to be as simple as like "hey your primarch hot-pocket is done cookin', let em' out" or will there be something more to it?

Smart approach would be something questionable to keep this going theme of creating inter-factional tensions.

Wasn't the entire ynnead cult and Celestine crew arriving at ultramar with some artifacts and stuff. I think there was a bit more to it the. He's done baking.

Holy crap, how exciting.

It's always strange when a rumour on Faeit proves correct, makes me question reality.

Well I don't see draigo in any of the pics so far. Why would he abandon his Titan sword for a hammer? This is just a generic GK character. Lets hope GK get a codex out of all this.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AHHHH!!!!!!!

Our true Spiritual Liege returns. Glorious!

And Cypher looks great, as does possibly-Draigo?

No shield and the face is way different, so I doubt it's Draigo.

They're probably waiting to release a plastic Mortarion before they release plastic Draigo, so that they can end a campaign with Draigo carving his name into Mortarion's other heart.

 Jackal wrote:
No worries bud and cheers


I don't think that is draigo though.
For a start he's lost his signature weapons, armour is completely different and his aged a lot lol.
I'd assume it's just a grandmaster.

If it's a £50 set I'd guess rowboat will be going for £35- £40 on eBay.
So may just buy the set for him and sell the rest off.

I'd be interested in Cypher

Hnnnnnnng!!

...Oh no... far too much goddamn filigree on Guilliman's armor. That singlehandedly damages the model for me.

 Gremore wrote:

Spoiler:

Abaddon dying makes money sense, so they can pull what they did with Archaon and release a bigger badder model in 8th- probably a daemon prince

It's always strange when a rumour on Faeit proves correct, makes me question reality.

When you guess every single possible thing, over time something has to be right.

I AM SO PUMPED! Abaddon ain't got nothing on Guilliman.

Also, folks, stop hating on him! Read the HH books. He was a badass! It was 10k years of his sons being too literal and taking the Codex as writ (and that Guilliman left out the "think for yourself" clause) that made the Chapter kinda lame. But Guilliman is a total beast!

I never, EVER thought I would see a loyalist Primarch in 40k. EVER. This is amazing.

 Verviedi wrote:
...Oh no... far too much goddamn filigree on Guilliman's armor. That singlehandedly damages the model for me.

Yes it looks terrible in my opinion, that pose is horrible.
I would be using the Forgeworld version

I wonder if this time there will be some rules for DA in the book... There is a smidgeon of hope with Cypher appearing.
The Inner Circle will get NUTS and hunt that guy down. Again.

If the previous triumvirates are anything to go by, the Grey Knight won't be just some generic Grandmaster. He may be new to the fluff, but they'll give him a name and back story.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Or he's using them as an ends to a means. He's never really been a follower of Chaos...but he's not an Imperial either.

And the point is his rules first appeared in the 2nd. ed. Chaos Codex. Then in the 3rd. ed Chaos codex. Then the dataslate where his faction is....wait for it....Chaos Space Marines.

Even back in 2nd he could be taken by Imperial forces. Look at it this way, a space in the power armour triumvirate has been taken up by something that can be taken by Chaos leaving space for three more characters when they get round to the Chaos triumvirate.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
I AM SO PUMPED! Abaddon ain't got nothing on Guilliman.

Also, folks, stop hating on him! Read the HH books. He was a badass! It was 10k years of his sons being too literal and taking the Codex as writ (and that Guilliman left out the "think for yourself" clause) that made the Chapter kinda lame. But Guilliman is a total beast!

I never, EVER thought I would see a loyalist Primarch in 40k. EVER. This is amazing.

I know, I love the HH Guilliman and Ultramarine fluff.

I think the model is salvageable with a head-swap to a older head like the one on the upgrade sprue (provided the head isn't massive), replacement of the sword, and careful removal of all that excessive filigree.

Those are Fallen Angels behind Cypher!

Cosmic Schwung wrote:

Even back in 2nd he could be taken by Imperial forces. Look at it this way, a space in the power armour triumvirate has been taken up by something that can be taken by Chaos leaving space for three more characters when they get round to the Chaos triumvirate.

Which doesn't look likely.

Gathering Storm's a trilogy.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
I AM SO PUMPED! Abaddon ain't got nothing on Guilliman.

Also, folks, stop hating on him! Read the HH books. He was a badass! It was 10k years of his sons being too literal and taking the Codex as writ (and that Guilliman left out the "think for yourself" clause) that made the Chapter kinda lame. But Guilliman is a total beast!

I never, EVER thought I would see a loyalist Primarch in 40k. EVER. This is amazing.

I'm right there with you!

This is fantastic!

And that new Cypher looks even better than I'd thought he would - love it all!

Weird.

At every suggestion of Guilliman's return I've not been interested, even to the point of not really caring.

But now that I see him? Whole different story. I think he's great, except for the brazier's on his ankles. Those are stupid.

But seriously, some chuckle head has the WD and that's the best picture they could take?

With Cypher heading to Terra, could it be?




Could it?

Cypher is really great. Not crazy about Guilliman. Seems a little too big even for a primarch. Not a huge fan of the filigree armor trim either. I guess there's onky so many ways to bling out SM armor though.

More disappointed we have a three book campaign about CSMs attacking the imperium and didn't get a single new model for it.

Some people are saying they might turn Abaddon into a Daemon prince, but they could have easily released a new sculpt in terminator armor []and[/] made a new version later. I doubt many CSM players would have been upset by that. Also was looking forward to the named DP from the campaign rumored to get a kit. The current DP model was bad from day one and a new model would at least give conversion options.

Maybe the Imperium just defeats Chaos in this one and they can be done with CSMs altogether. 8th will just be humans and aeldari palling around the Webway while we wait for all the Necrons to wake up or the bugs to come eat us.

 Thairne wrote:
I wonder if this time there will be some rules for DA in the book... There is a smidgeon of hope with Cypher appearing.
The Inner Circle will get NUTS and hunt that guy down. Again.

I don't know about that. I see what appears to be Fallen behind him... maybe he takes charge of the Dark Angels at the behest of Guilliman. That would be a twist.


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 Starfarer wrote:
Cypher is really great. Not crazy about Guilliman. Seems a little too big even for a primarch. Not a huge fan of the filigree armor trim either. I guess there's onky so many ways to bling out SM armor though.

More disappointed we have a three book campaign about CSMs attacking the imperium and didn't get a single new model for it.

Some people are saying they might turn Abaddon into a Daemon prince, but they could have easily released a new sculpt in terminator armor []and[/] made a new version later. I doubt many CSM players would have been upset by that. Also was looking forward to the named DP from the campaign rumored to get a kit. The current DP model was bad from day one and a new model would at least give conversion options.

Maybe the Imperium just defeats Chaos in this one and they can be done with CSMs altogether. 8th will just be humans and aeldari palling around the Webway while we wait for all the Necrons to wake up or the bugs to come eat us.

From what we heard from GW, this is the start of a year-long 40k event, right? "Gathering Storm" sounds like the beginning. So this three-parter is just the first part of a bigger narrative.

Abby might die and come back badder than ever. The next trio of Triumvirates might be all Chaos for all we know, as the series moves forward and maybe Chaos grinds on to Terra.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Which doesn't look likely.

Gathering Storm's a trilogy.

It's not going to happen during Gathering Storm, but it'll be crazy if they don't have the 'Storm' and no character releases for the big antagonists of this whole shebang. All that new artwork for Abaddon would be a hell of a tease.

Plot Twist: Cypher wasn't "bad" the whole time and was just looking for a cure for Papa Smurf.

Cypher heals Papa Smurf, then rallies all the Fallen Angels, and the big guy forgives them and they are back in as good guys.

Dark Angels still emo, but now confused.

They rock Abby, head to Terra to fix Grandpa.

Cypher was always an ambiguous figure, never a straight up villain.

Well, not unless you're a Dark Angel.

Abadons death all but confirmed in my mind, no model release for him :(

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Weird.

At every suggestion of Guilliman's return I've not been interested, even to the point of not really caring.

But now that I see him? Whole different story. I think he's great, except for the brazier's on his ankles. Those are stupid.

But seriously, some chuckle head has the WD and that's the best picture they could take?

They are part of the base, not on his ankles as far as I can see

I am confused why it is gilliman he is the biggest idiot around he has been trying to take over for years.

Loses contact with terra makes a new kingdom, he never helps defend terra. When he losses most of his guys, Robute only has 1000 marines left so he decides everyone else should be the same because it is super not fair for them to have more.

Almost starts a second heresy when people don't do what he wants. Ya he is really the best suited to help save everyone...... the one who took a hissy fit when's horus it in charge. Took 10000 years but he got what he wanted.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Plot Twist: Cypher wasn't "bad" the whole time and was just looking for a cure for Papa Smurf.

Cypher heals Papa Smurf, then rallies all the Fallen Angels, and the big guy forgives them and they are back in as good guys.

Dark Angels still emo, but now confused.

They rock Abby, head to Terra to fix Grandpa.

The text says he's just helping out in return for a ticket to Terra. And Guilliman ain't too happy to see what's strapped to his back.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Thairne wrote:



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 Starfarer wrote:
Cypher is really great. Not crazy about Guilliman. Seems a little too big even for a primarch. Not a huge fan of the filigree armor trim either. I guess there's only so many ways to bling out SM armor though.

More disappointed we have a three book campaign about CSMs attacking the imperium and didn't get a single new model for it.

Some people are saying they might turn Abaddon into a Daemon prince, but they could have easily released a new sculpt in terminator armor []and[/] made a new version later. I doubt many CSM players would have been upset by that. Also was looking forward to the named DP from the campaign rumored to get a kit. The current DP model was bad from day one and a new model would at least give conversion options.

Maybe the Imperium just defeats Chaos in this one and they can be done with CSMs altogether. 8th will just be humans and aeldari palling around the Webway while we wait for all the Necrons to wake up or the bugs to come eat us.

From what we heard from GW, this is the start of a year-long 40k event, right? "Gathering Storm" sounds like the beginning. So this three-parter is just the first part of a bigger narrative.

Abby might die and come back badder than ever. The next trio of Triumvirates might be all Chaos for all we know, as the series moves forward and maybe Chaos grinds on to Terra.

Yeah I'm sure there will be lots of stuff in 8th. I'm mostly being a wet blanket because I thought the next triumvirate was Chaos. If that Mortarian leak is real, and he's coming out at some point, I'll be happy enough with that. Well, that and new plastic plague marines and terminators and pestigors to match what 1k Sons got.

Also new Warhammer quest already! The warhammer Community post made it seem like it was months out. Wasn't expecting it so soon, but I'm happy to finally give WQ a try.