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Cawl is a heretic isn't he

it says he worked with an Eldar sorcerer to bring back Roboute

LightKing wrote:
Cawl is a heretic isn't he

it says he worked with an Eldar sorcerer to bring back Roboute

Do also remember Cawl knew RG during the great crusade they note both of them go waaay back, so don't expect him to have the same mindset as other imperials especially when dealing with the possibility of fixing up his friend.

 shinros wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Cawl is a heretic isn't he

it says he worked with an Eldar sorcerer to bring back Roboute

Do also remember Cawl knew RG during the great crusade they note both of them go waaay back, so don't expect him to have the same mindset as other imperials especially when dealing with the possibility of fixing up his friend.

What i want to know is why would the Eldar help bring back a Primarch?

Haven't we already been over this - a lot?

The Eldar do what they do because they are playing a game many, many moves ahead of most.

At least from a 'most likely possibility' standpoint.

Now, this is also a 'new breed' of Eldar too, so...at this point, who knows?

I don't get the details about Ynnead. Lexicanum isn't even very descriptive, and for some reason none of the Fracture of Beil-Tan advertisements have elaborated. I wonder if we'll even figure out how Ynnead works even after the book is released.

 Alpharius wrote:
Haven't we already been over this - a lot?

The Eldar do what they do because they are playing a game many, many moves ahead of most.

At least from a 'most likely possibility' standpoint.

Now, this is also a 'new breed' of Eldar too, so...at this point, who knows?

Pretty much, RG will make a great meat shield for chaos while the followers of the death god prepare for their true battle.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:So if RGs iron halo is Celestines.. as the story and time line advances, technically should celestine have a worse save now? and an errata to strip her of it? (who am i kidding this is GW)

No. Eldrad was still a playable character during the brief time when his soul got stuck inside... what was it, a Blackstone Fortress?... and the only indication he wasn't utterly consumed by Slaanesh was a glow remaining in soulstones linked to him.

Further, she's Saint "I-Stabbed-Abbadon-In-the-Goddamn-Spine" Celestine. She can get another Iron Halo. For all we know, she's a sufficiently strong psyker/Greater Daemon of the Emperor that the Iron Halo was more akin to window dressing anyways.

LightKing wrote:Can't one make the claim that Celestine might even have authority over Roboute since she is more powerful than him, i presume...or at least on his level?

No. Just... I don't... What makes you think she's even in the same league as a Primarch, let alone MORE powerful than he is?

 Theophony wrote:

And yes, standing alongside his army, he looks every bit as ridiculous as I had feared.

Terminators come up to his waist?

Yeah that's a bit much.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Terminators come up to his waist?

Yeah that's a bit much.

I can't wait for someone to put this Guilliman next to the FW Guilliman.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Terminators come up to his waist?

Yeah that's a bit much.

i've decided to just assume part of bringing him back was using the Matrix of Leadership, and the upsizing it entails

 Quarterdime wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Terminators come up to his waist?

Yeah that's a bit much.

I can't wait for someone to put this Guilliman next to the FW Guilliman.

I did it yesterday virtually in mspaint. I matched the 60mm base sizes (assuming that's what both actually come on). If the GW one comes on an even larger base then all bets are off.

It's not so much the height but rather the ridiculous pose and popeye like exaggerated proportions of the GW model that make it look so ridiculously huge (and the excessive armor filigree that make it look gaudy). The attached pic looks small but is magnified in the spoiler below.

Someone better quickly get word back to Macragge that all the doors and hallways will need modifications.

Guys, there's only one possible solution, Alpharius never died, Roboute did, this "new" guy is actually Alpharius and Omegon inside a suit! An xray would show one operates the legs, the other the torso.
It's why Abbadon didn't like what he saw!
The new catch phrase of the Alpha legion is I am Roboute!

To be fair, he is standing on 1/ 2 to 3/4 of an inch of rock and terrain.

Your standard power armor marine appears to makes it up to a little above his waist by my estimation, and I suspect a Terminator armored marine would be at the lower portion of his chest.

That said, I do think hes a bit oversized, but it's GW, and they're taking the scaling from the Horus Heresy/Forgeworld as well, at least a little bit. Look at the Forge World Vulcan, or Horus. They're oversized too, perhaps not to this degree, but a portion of that may also be the fact that Guilliman is wearing a new suit of super power armor which, likely, is helping keep him alive. We won't know that for sure until much later once Gathering Storm III releases, but I suspect that may be an element to the armor's size compared to his 30k armor.

Just offering my thoughts on that. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

I actually wonder if RG will be considered a Monstrous Creature or something. I mean, as big as he is...

Here's the foreword version without the Base. As you can see, he is about twice the height of a regular marine. Combined with the other picture it shows that the 40k and 30k version are of a very similar scale, but the new version has been bulked out a lot by the suit.
I am still not that keen on the sculpt, but any complaints about him being too big should be equally levied at the forgeworld primarchs.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
To be fair, he is standing on 1/ 2 to 3/4 of an inch of rock and terrain.

Your standard power armor marine appears to makes it up to a little above his waist by my estimation, and I suspect a Terminator armored marine would be at the lower portion of his chest.

That said, I do think hes a bit oversized, but it's GW, and they're taking the scaling from the Horus Heresy/Forgeworld as well, at least a little bit. Look at the Forge World Vulcan, or Horus. They're oversized too, perhaps not to this degree, but a portion of that may also be the fact that Guilliman is wearing a new suit of super power armor which, likely, is helping keep him alive. We won't know that for sure until much later once Gathering Storm III releases, but I suspect that may be an element to the armor's size compared to his 30k armor.

Just offering my thoughts on that. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Horus is in Primarch Terminator armour, and Vulkan is known for being massive (he's the biggest Primarch aside from Magnus who could change his size - he's noted for being as big in power armour as Horus is in termie armour) so their sizes are at least in line with the other Primarchs.

 ImAGeek wrote:


Horus is in Primarch Terminator armour, and Vulkan is known for being massive (he's the biggest Primarch aside from Magnus who could change his size - he's noted for being as big in power armour as Horus is in termie armour) so their sizes are at least in line with the other Primarchs.

Precisely my point.

Guilliman is at least mostly in line with his FW version, the armor bulk not withstanding.

I'm expecting the (massive) power armor being worn to have some additional life support systems on-board to offset the grievous injury he suffered and was in stasis 'recovering' from for over 9000 years.

We'll see.

In the mean time, I'm going to be over here dejectedly kicking a can down the street, wondering what it would feel like to have my primarch resurrected from the dead.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Well Sanguinius is coming this year, so just switch your attention to the HH, it's never been more affordable than it is now

Unusual Suspect wrote:

LightKing wrote:Can't one make the claim that Celestine might even have authority over Roboute since she is more powerful than him, i presume...or at least on his level?

No. Just... I don't... What makes you think she's even in the same league as a Primarch, let alone MORE powerful than he is?

Judging by their previous posts both on this thread and others, their sole source of information is asking people questions on news and rumours threads, so it's likely either:

1. What someone told them

2. Something they just assumed

Thebiggesthat wrote:
Well Sanguinius is coming this year, so just switch your attention to the HH, it's never been more affordable than it is now

Oh I have a Betrayal at Calth set I'm going to paint up as Blood Angels at some point, and I will be getting the Sanguinius miniature once he releases to paint up and play with down the road.

My main game at present is still 40k though, and I still hold out hope that Blood Angels will get a new mini or two in the form of a new Dante and/or Mephiston sculpt.

We shall see.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Terminators come up to his waist?

Yeah that's a bit much.

Weren't primarches supposed to be about as much bigger to marines as marines are to humans? Doesn't look like that...

Ah well. Not that it matters for me. Don't like model and can't incorporate stuff from this book(Either) without having to restart campaign from scratch again so I'll just ignore them. Wallet thanks.

I'm calling it now - It's just Guilliman's head on a robot body.....

Futurama style....

In all seriousness though you can see some pretty extensive bionics underneath the armour, unless it's a new type of power armour.

And Guilliman's wound was a throat wound so I reckon Cawl has just lopped his head off and stuck it on a body he built....

I really hope not because that would be really naff but would explain the slight bulking up of RG.

Otherwise it's possible that Yvraine has used her weird Eldar soul magic thingy to bring him back from the dead.... which would be even worse in my opinion....

Well, Gulliman's size and all

The miniature featuring a dead Traitor in a newly sculpted Chaos Space Marine armour could be a major teaser for a new kit - or even a new range in that Dark Vengeance/RT baroque style




After this



we got these




It took a while but it happened. Was that kind of helmet at RG's feet ever used for a miniature before?

And it doesn't need many kits to update the old range

- Basic kit
- Havocs
- Chosen

Warhams-77 wrote:

The miniature featuring a dead Traitor in a newly sculpted Chaos Space Marine armour could be a major teaser for a new kit - or even a new range in that Dark Vengeance/RT baroque style

I can only think of this

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:So if RGs iron halo is Celestines.. as the story and time line advances, technically should celestine have a worse save now? and an errata to strip her of it? (who am i kidding this is GW)

No. Eldrad was still a playable character during the brief time when his soul got stuck inside... what was it, a Blackstone Fortress?... and the only indication he wasn't utterly consumed by Slaanesh was a glow remaining in soulstones linked to him.

Further, she's Saint "I-Stabbed-Abbadon-In-the-Goddamn-Spine" Celestine. She can get another Iron Halo. For all we know, she's a sufficiently strong psyker/Greater Daemon of the Emperor that the Iron Halo was more akin to window dressing anyways.

LightKing wrote:Can't one make the claim that Celestine might even have authority over Roboute since she is more powerful than him, i presume...or at least on his level?

No. Just... I don't... What makes you think she's even in the same league as a Primarch, let alone MORE powerful than he is?

well as she speaks with His voice and is (as you say) effectively a Greater Daemon of the Emperor - only better since killing her mortal form only banishers her for seconds not hundreds of years - yeah I think we can say she is more powerful than he is - any doubt check out the pic of her arrival at Cadia and the multiple Greater Deamons being slain by her aura of power

The size itself is not the issue with the primarch for me, its proportions.

They work for the forgeworld one, they do not for the GW one. He has shrunken head syndrome.

StraightSilver wrote:

In all seriousness though you can see some pretty extensive bionics underneath the armour, unless it's a new type of power armour..

I believe that's just the sculptor taking advantage of the fact that sculpting in 54mm allows for a lot more detail than sculpting in 28ish-mm.

Armour that large with the same level of detail as a regular marine would look flat and lazy.



That being said, the extra layer of detail doesn't help it with the whole not-fitting-in-with-the-rest-of-the-Marine-range thing.

The fact that his proportions are completely different to regular Marines just finishes the job, there. He's twice the size of a Marine, but his head is barely larger than that of the Chaos Marine on his base.

 Mr Morden wrote:
well as she speaks with His voice and is (as you say) effectively a Greater Daemon of the Emperor - only better since killing her mortal form only banishers her for seconds not hundreds of years - yeah I think we can say she is more powerful than he is - any doubt check out the pic of her arrival at Cadia and the multiple Greater Deamons being slain by her aura of power

Give that she wasn't able to beat Ezekyle Abaddon, I think it important to remember that there's no such thing as a proper power scale in 40k and licentia poetica runs rampant.

Personally, I blame Draigo.