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Ustrello wrote: Hopefully this will provide the implosion that the GOP needs and a new moderate party spawns and the right wing nationalist branch can fade into obscurity
Looks like it's dead and been pulled before a vote.
Lets see what happens now. Will Trump dump the issue and move on? Will congressional GOP double down onnthe wharblegarble?
The fallout will be interesting.
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And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Tannhauser42 wrote: And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
Well... any plans like this need open debate. Not the chicanery we're seeing today and the way the ACA was passed.
They had seven fething years to draw up a strategy, then a plan, then a paper and still have time to muster the troops for a charm offensive. The way ACA was drawn up has nothing to do with this gak show.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
This is actually one of the sillier arguments. While Obama was Pres, there was ZERO incentive for R congress critters to 'get it right' as it would have been vetoed. Why waste the effort?
Up until the actual 2016 election was held, it looked like Trump would lose, again, why waste effort to 'get it right' if you plan on dealing with a Clinton POTUS and more vetoes?
So, they really haven't had 7 years in which it made sense to expend resources to 'get it right'.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
Tannhauser42 wrote: And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
This is actually one of the sillier arguments. While Obama was Pres, there was ZERO incentive for R congress critters to 'get it right' as it would have been vetoed. Why waste the effort?
Up until the actual 2016 election was held, it looked like Trump would lose, again, why waste effort to 'get it right' if you plan on dealing with a Clinton POTUS and more vetoes?
So, they really haven't had 7 years in which it made sense to expend resources to 'get it right'.
Thats BS, they've had 7 years of basically not governing to sit around and stew and gather ideas of what to do when they finally got in power again. Its obvious that they didnt judging by this flop, so yes, their 7 years were squandered
Either by ineptitude, or the worst case of procrastination I've ever seen
The question is is how they're going to blame the Dems for this.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
This is actually one of the sillier arguments. While Obama was Pres, there was ZERO incentive for R congress critters to 'get it right' as it would have been vetoed. Why waste the effort?
Up until the actual 2016 election was held, it looked like Trump would lose, again, why waste effort to 'get it right' if you plan on dealing with a Clinton POTUS and more vetoes?
So, they really haven't had 7 years in which it made sense to expend resources to 'get it right'.
Parties do not have plans on how to run various parts of government until they are actually in power? That seems a bad way to run a political party.
I'm tangentially connected to the local opposition party where I live, and it seems they have a whole slew of plans ready to go the second we vote them into office.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
This is actually one of the sillier arguments. While Obama was Pres, there was ZERO incentive for R congress critters to 'get it right' as it would have been vetoed. Why waste the effort?
Up until the actual 2016 election was held, it looked like Trump would lose, again, why waste effort to 'get it right' if you plan on dealing with a Clinton POTUS and more vetoes?
So, they really haven't had 7 years in which it made sense to expend resources to 'get it right'.
Thats BS, they've had 7 years of basically not governing to sit around and stew and gather ideas of what to do when they finally got in power again. Its obvious that they didnt judging by this flop, so yes, their 7 years were squandered
Either by ineptitude, or the worst case of procrastination I've ever seen
What part of the "R agenda" could they have successfully gotten done with Obama in office?
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
What part of the "R agenda" could they have successfully gotten done with Obama in office?
Shutdown government.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Tannhauser42 wrote: And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
This is actually one of the sillier arguments. While Obama was Pres, there was ZERO incentive for R congress critters to 'get it right' as it would have been vetoed. Why waste the effort?
Up until the actual 2016 election was held, it looked like Trump would lose, again, why waste effort to 'get it right' if you plan on dealing with a Clinton POTUS and more vetoes?
So, they really haven't had 7 years in which it made sense to expend resources to 'get it right'.
Thats BS, they've had 7 years of basically not governing to sit around and stew and gather ideas of what to do when they finally got in power again. Its obvious that they didnt judging by this flop, so yes, their 7 years were squandered
Either by ineptitude, or the worst case of procrastination I've ever seen
What part of the "R agenda" could they have successfully gotten done with Obama in office?
So what feeder said, they absolutely never plan for the future? Thats absurd and should have to have excuses made for it. Hes not a King, he wouldnt be in office forever.
Tannhauser42 wrote: And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
This is actually one of the sillier arguments. While Obama was Pres, there was ZERO incentive for R congress critters to 'get it right' as it would have been vetoed. Why waste the effort?
Up until the actual 2016 election was held, it looked like Trump would lose, again, why waste effort to 'get it right' if you plan on dealing with a Clinton POTUS and more vetoes?
So, they really haven't had 7 years in which it made sense to expend resources to 'get it right'.
You don't just quit doin stuff cause others are doin' it too. You lost? Fix what was ailing you. Obamacare was ailing you? Work on making it right. Pretty simpe. A seven year itch is a mighty long one. But if you' S got to scratch it, you's gotta scratch it..
The main problem is that many Republicans in the House and Senate want Obamacare tossed out entirely and are unwilling to settle for anything less. While this position sounds nice, it will never get to the President's desk because the Democrats have enough votes to sustain a filibuster in the Senate.
What Speaker Ryan wanted to do was essentially defund Obamacare by removing the individual mandate. This could be done as part of the budget process and thus avoid the filibuster. This faced opposition in the party because many felt it didn't go far enough and they feared that moderate Republicans would feel that it was enough and stop trying to finish the job because of the afore mentioned filibuster.
So, President Trump is between a rock (Republican hard liners) and a hard place (Democrat opposition) and as long as he is, Obamacare will continue.
They did have a plan. That plan was to get rid of the ACA as soon as possible and feed the base some sort of ideological platitude. Problem was, they never expected Trump and they didn't realize that their base had come to actually like the ACA. The base is stuck between wanting what the ACA offers and their ideology refusing to allow it to exist.
There is no actual repeal and replace because I'm pretty sure you can't replace it and have it also fit Republican ideology while it still doing what people want it to do. So now the GOP is choking on their own words and have a populist leader that could care absolutely nothing about their ideology and is in it for the self gratification. The ACA can exist with Trump and as long as people like him for it he doesn't care what theat means for the GOP.
Despite what you hear in the press, healthcare is coming along great. We are talking to many groups and it will end in a beautiful picture!
What a treat the official story of his presidency will be.
" The Fat & the Furious : the collected tweets of a President" or something.
Are y'all tired of all the winning yet ?
Or is that yet another failed/broken promise ?
Good thing tax reform won't be complicated or contentious eh ?
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Alex Jones apologises for his pizzagate coverage !?
Can his W.House press pass be far away ?
The really great stories are all 3 act tragedies.
TBF to TRump he did everything he could to get the bill passed -- except learning the specifics of what it does and how to explain them to the American people -- but hey why sweat the details ?
"Never ever quit, never give up" - Donald J. Trump, The Art of the Deal.
uh huh.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I like the idea that Newt learned anything from Reagan other than using his name as an appeal to emotion. Perhaps a long time ago he might have known something but that day is long passed.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Tannhauser42 wrote: And the GOP had those same fething 7 years to "get it right". How many more years do they need?
This is actually one of the sillier arguments. While Obama was Pres, there was ZERO incentive for R congress critters to 'get it right' as it would have been vetoed. Why waste the effort?
Up until the actual 2016 election was held, it looked like Trump would lose, again, why waste effort to 'get it right' if you plan on dealing with a Clinton POTUS and more vetoes?
So, they really haven't had 7 years in which it made sense to expend resources to 'get it right'.
Are you ... seriously using the excuse that, since the GOP never expected to have to actually govern, their current inability to govern is acceptable?
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
The smart thing for the Dems to do right now is to craft a bill that would close all the gaps in the AHA, and advertise the hell out of it. Show the GOP that one doesn't have to be in power to actually get some work done.
Gordon Shumway wrote: The smart thing for the Dems to do right now is to craft a bill that would close all the gaps in the AHA, and advertise the hell out of it. Show the GOP that one doesn't have to be in power to actually get some work done.
That would be great but I don't think the Democrats are that competant.
Gordon Shumway wrote: The smart thing for the Dems to do right now is to craft a bill that would close all the gaps in the AHA, and advertise the hell out of it. Show the GOP that one doesn't have to be in power to actually get some work done.
That would be great but I don't think the Democrats are that competant.
Let a grad temp do it. Hell, I bet they got twelve right now on Pelosi's desk. Just as Boehner or Ryan have had numerous drafts for the last seven years. Trust the children, promote what they do. Nobody has to know. It can't be any worse than the finger painting that they tried to pass today.
Why can't we get a indiegogo goyoutubefund or whatever with some smart person to promote this stuff? Is it really that boring?
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Gordon Shumway wrote: The smart thing for the Dems to do right now is to craft a bill that would close all the gaps in the AHA, and advertise the hell out of it. Show the GOP that one doesn't have to be in power to actually get some work done.
That would be great but I don't think the Democrats are that competant.
Let a grad temp do it. Hell, I bet they got twelve right now on Pelosi's desk. Just as Boehner or Ryan have had numerous drafts for the last seven years. Trust the children, promote what they do. Nobody has to know. It can't be any worse than the finger painting that they tried to pass today.
Why can't we get a indiegogo goyoutubefund or whatever with some smart person to promote this stuff? Is it really that boring?
Well we have this wonderfully powerful means of getting the right people in power but citizens would largely rather stay home or vote against their best interests. The last election asked Americans 'do you want progress?' 1/5 said yes, 1/5 said no, and 3/5 said 'i dunno let someone else decide for me.'
Gordon Shumway wrote: The smart thing for the Dems to do right now is to craft a bill that would close all the gaps in the AHA, and advertise the hell out of it. Show the GOP that one doesn't have to be in power to actually get some work done.
I have 0 confidence in this happening. They are way too distracted by other things for this to happen. Furthermore, I don't think they know what they are doing either.
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