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 Zethnar wrote:
We get it GW, the promo shots are very pretty, but how about you just tell us the price already? Either we're going to hate it or we're going to love it, blue-balling us with these "leaks" isn't going to change that.

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Andy Hoare wrote:Well, I could have sworn all the details *were* in there, so I apologise if the actual price and date aren't. I'm sure they'll be released very soon then!

Yeah, definitely interested in the Warlord and Knight packs.

Using soul Wars as a basis it's entirely possible the main box is the usual £95.

Soul Wars;
Hardback £35
20 chainrasps £40
4 grimghast £12 ( based on 10 pack price)
5 glavewraith £12.50 (based on 4 pack price)
Ballista £15
Sequitors £22 (based on 10 pack price)
Castigators £16 (based on 3 pack)
Evocators and incanted £24 (based on 5 pack)
Remaking characters based on clampacks £40
£216.50

Onky key difference is one person can use all the Titanicus box for one force.

Theoretically:
2 x warlords £100
2 x 3 sets of Knights £60
Rules box £40
Scenery £20?

From seeing the Warlords I don't think they would be £50 each or the Knights so high either as not even the size of a Stormcast with less bulk.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

Onky key difference is one person can use all the Titanicus box for one force.

Theoretically:
2 x warlords £100
2 x 3 sets of Knights £60
Rules box £40
Scenery £20?

From seeing the Warlords I don't think they would be £50 each or the Knights so high either as not even the size of a Stormcast with less bulk.

I'm really interested in what the individual prices are for the titans. still planning on the grandmaster box, but kinda want to know value rather than just buying what I want (Reavers & Warhounds) with the terrain.

If the warlords are $65-70ish I'd call them a good deal. Knights should be $35-40. with reavers & warhounds fitting in between. but it also depends on how they do the packaging. if they start to make them bundled together it may change either the actual or the "perceived" value.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Using soul Wars as a basis it's entirely possible the main box is the usual £95.

Soul Wars;
Hardback £35
20 chainrasps £40
4 grimghast £12 ( based on 10 pack price)
5 glavewraith £12.50 (based on 4 pack price)
Ballista £15
Sequitors £22 (based on 10 pack price)
Castigators £16 (based on 3 pack)
Evocators and incanted £24 (based on 5 pack)
Remaking characters based on clampacks £40
£216.50

Onky key difference is one person can use all the Titanicus box for one force.

Theoretically:
2 x warlords £100
2 x 3 sets of Knights £60
Rules box £40
Scenery £20?

From seeing the Warlords I don't think they would be £50 each or the Knights so high either as not even the size of a Stormcast with less bulk.

This is a bit of a false equivalency. Soul wars comes with 8 big sprues of minis. From the adepticus titanicus unboxing video, it looks like 10 big sprues and 4 small sprues and the template sprue are in the box. Also they probably also expect this box to sell fewer copies so they will adjust the price accordingly.
Of course I would love to see the price set at £95. At that price I would buy it for sure. Unfortunately I could see them charging as much as £150.
Personally I think £120 would be an ok price. Any more than that and I will be waiting to see how the game develops.

The rumour was 180 quid wasn't it? Or did that turn out to be nonsense/speculation?

 Yodhrin wrote:
The rumour was 180 quid wasn't it? Or did that turn out to be nonsense/speculation?

Sounds entirely feasible. "Knights Renegade" was "Great value" at £120 (despite the fact that it's a few bits of plastic, which in most industries equates to packaging, of sub-negligible value). But aside from me being churlish, a knight is pretty much a warlord from what I've seen, meaning £120 for the two warlords seems reasonable, and the rest of the contents could be anything from £30-£60, I'd say £150 is a moderately optimistic estimate and £180 is certainly within the realms of possibility.

/edit - Renegade also included scenery, so if we factor out the scenery in titanicus, £150 seems about right (though as mentioned above, sales volume must be considered, so they may well tack on a few extra quid).

 Formosa wrote:
How much was the grand master ed again?

£175... or so I've been told.

 Eiríkr wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
How much was the grand master ed again?

£175... or so I've been told.

That's a hell-no for me, then. I'd have to take out a second mortgage.

Warlords are more like a chunkier Armiger, I was at the most recent open day.

changemod wrote:
Warlords are more like a chunkier Armiger, I was at the most recent open day.

Really? I saw this pic a while back and it suggests differently. I'll take your word for it as a first hand source, but if that is indeed the case I'm a bit disappointed (I was planning on perhaps modding a couple of 28mm knights into warlord proxies)
https://spikeybits.com/2016/05/new-titan-pictures-warlord-titanicus-teaser.html/adam-charles-westwood-epic-titanicus

/edit - this page says "Possible scale comparison" https://spikeybits.com/2016/05/new-titan-pictures-warlord-titanicus-teaser.html so I suppose Warlords are indeed smaller than 28mm Knights. Maybe some sort of Imperator conversion then?

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
How much was the grand master ed again?

£175... or so I've been told.

That's a hell-no for me, then. I'd have to take out a second mortgage.

A cheaper start can be had with the rules box and a couple of separate Titans. It would be even better to buy a big box and a rules box and split the lot with a buddy. That way you still get to take advantage of the discount of the big box.

 General Helstrom wrote:

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
How much was the grand master ed again?

£175... or so I've been told.

That's a hell-no for me, then. I'd have to take out a second mortgage.

A cheaper start can be had with the rules box and a couple of separate Titans. It would be even better to buy a big box and a rules box and split the lot with a buddy. That way you still get to take advantage of the discount of the big box.

Ok Buddy. I'll take the knights and Titans, you get the terrain and rules. PM me for my paypal

JWBS wrote:

changemod wrote:
Warlords are more like a chunkier Armiger, I was at the most recent open day.

Really? I saw this pic a while back and it suggests differently. I'll take your word for it as a first hand source, but if that is indeed the case I'm a bit disappointed (I was planning on perhaps modding a couple of 28mm knights into warlord proxies)

They are smaller, but definitely aren't armiger sized. I've read more than one person describe 8mm Warlords as about Thanatar-sized, which looks like this:
(for comparison, an Armiger would come up to the Knight's waist)

 xttz wrote:

JWBS wrote:

changemod wrote:
Warlords are more like a chunkier Armiger, I was at the most recent open day.

Really? I saw this pic a while back and it suggests differently. I'll take your word for it as a first hand source, but if that is indeed the case I'm a bit disappointed (I was planning on perhaps modding a couple of 28mm knights into warlord proxies)

They are smaller, but definitely aren't armiger sized. I've read more than one person describe 8mm Warlords as about Thanatar-sized, which looks like this:
(for comparison, an Armiger would come up to the Knight's waist)

A thanatar is an apt comparison, but an Armiger is taller than a knight’s waist.

 xttz wrote:

JWBS wrote:

changemod wrote:
Warlords are more like a chunkier Armiger, I was at the most recent open day.

Really? I saw this pic a while back and it suggests differently. I'll take your word for it as a first hand source, but if that is indeed the case I'm a bit disappointed (I was planning on perhaps modding a couple of 28mm knights into warlord proxies)

They are smaller, but definitely aren't armiger sized. I've read more than one person describe 8mm Warlords as about Thanatar-sized, which looks like this:
(for comparison, an Armiger would come up to the Knight's waist)

Very useful, TY.


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changemod wrote:

 xttz wrote:

JWBS wrote:

changemod wrote:
Warlords are more like a chunkier Armiger, I was at the most recent open day.

Really? I saw this pic a while back and it suggests differently. I'll take your word for it as a first hand source, but if that is indeed the case I'm a bit disappointed (I was planning on perhaps modding a couple of 28mm knights into warlord proxies)

They are smaller, but definitely aren't armiger sized. I've read more than one person describe 8mm Warlords as about Thanatar-sized, which looks like this:
(for comparison, an Armiger would come up to the Knight's waist)

A thanatar is an apt comparison, but an Armiger is taller than a knight’s waist.

Yeah, Thanatar looks to be midway between Knight and Armiger, so pretty decent size.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZifrbZXcAAecMi.jpg

 CragHack wrote:
Are the Axioms and Warlord Titan really going to be web exclusive? Or is it something else?. That, besides Chainrasps, would be a second really weird decision, making me think of Kirby's GW.

Kirby's GW wouldn't have brought Adeptus Titanicus back so that's an odd thing to say.

 ekwatts wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Are the Axioms and Warlord Titan really going to be web exclusive? Or is it something else?. That, besides Chainrasps, would be a second really weird decision, making me think of Kirby's GW.

Kirby's GW wouldn't have brought Adeptus Titanicus back so that's an odd thing to say.

It might have, but it would have been a single boxed set with a once off production cycle like Dreadfleet - probably in way smaller numbers than Dreadfleet was sold. However considering that one-off games like that didn't prove to sell well it might well have been that we'd never have seen it.
There would have likely been no open consideration of taking the game further, which in itself would have stifled sales.



Instead GW today is giving us a game which has a good solid base, which we know they will support in to the medium term with additional releases and which, if given sufficient traction and sales, they are prepared and likely want to, take further with advancing the story and providing more and more choice.

 Overread wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Are the Axioms and Warlord Titan really going to be web exclusive? Or is it something else?. That, besides Chainrasps, would be a second really weird decision, making me think of Kirby's GW.

Kirby's GW wouldn't have brought Adeptus Titanicus back so that's an odd thing to say.

It might have, but it would have been a single boxed set with a once off production cycle like Dreadfleet - probably in way smaller numbers than Dreadfleet was sold. However considering that one-off games like that didn't prove to sell well it might well have been that we'd never have seen it.
There would have likely been no open consideration of taking the game further, which in itself would have stifled sales.



Instead GW today is giving us a game which has a good solid base, which we know they will support in to the medium term with additional releases and which, if given sufficient traction and sales, they are prepared and likely want to, take further with advancing the story and providing more and more choice.

And with the hype this game has generated unless the price turns out to be a real deal breaker I think we're sure to see expansions. I'd say up to eldar and orks at the very least.

Luckily FW seem to favour the slender eldar style rather than the riveted monstrosity that gw released in the last edition of epic. Though I'm not sure they'll take a similar retrospective view to the ork gargants, GW's last more angular design seems to fit the current aesthetic more closely and we'll probably see any new gargants rooted in that design which is a shame. (I know I'm getting a little ahead of myself here but god I'm excited for this game!)

 Sasquatch wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
Are the Axioms and Warlord Titan really going to be web exclusive? Or is it something else?. That, besides Chainrasps, would be a second really weird decision, making me think of Kirby's GW.

Kirby's GW wouldn't have brought Adeptus Titanicus back so that's an odd thing to say.

It might have, but it would have been a single boxed set with a once off production cycle like Dreadfleet - probably in way smaller numbers than Dreadfleet was sold. However considering that one-off games like that didn't prove to sell well it might well have been that we'd never have seen it.
There would have likely been no open consideration of taking the game further, which in itself would have stifled sales.



Instead GW today is giving us a game which has a good solid base, which we know they will support in to the medium term with additional releases and which, if given sufficient traction and sales, they are prepared and likely want to, take further with advancing the story and providing more and more choice.

And with the hype this game has generated unless the price turns out to be a real deal breaker I think we're sure to see expansions. I'd say up to eldar and orks at the very least.

Luckily FW seem to favour the slender eldar style rather than the riveted monstrosity that gw released in the last edition of epic. Though I'm not sure they'll take a similar retrospective view to the ork gargants, GW's last more angular design seems to fit the current aesthetic more closely and we'll probably see any new gargants rooted in that design which is a shame. (I know I'm getting a little ahead of myself here but god I'm excited for this game!)

Yeah. As a wee lad I loved all the Titanicus stuff (all GW stuff truth be told) but looking back I really don't want to see those old style models (Gargants, Imperator) returning. Much like the vastly improved Imperials I'd far prefer updated Eldar / orks / Tyranids / whatever else we might get.

Oh I really would love the old style Imperator and the thundering huge tracked wagon that was the old Great Gartant. Those two models on the box got me into Warhammer (heck my first ever models was a boxed set of Titan Legions). I agree some of the Epic 40K Eldar didn't look so great so there I'd love the traditional old style titans.

Also lets not forget the sticker price on the AT boxed set is for 2 full armies and terrain and rules and everything. It's basically everything two people need to get started. So it might well have a high price; but so long as rules, models and stuff outside of it is decently priced I think it should be easy to buy into.

Also being new and very low model count to be viable for games its likely to be a, higher priced, nice side project for many.

 Overread wrote:
Oh I really would love the old style Imperator and the thundering huge tracked wagon that was the old Great Gartant. Those two models on the box got me into Warhammer (heck my first ever models was a boxed set of Titan Legions). I agree some of the Epic 40K Eldar didn't look so great so there I'd love the traditional old style titans.

Also lets not forget the sticker price on the AT boxed set is for 2 full armies and terrain and rules and everything. It's basically everything two people need to get started. So it might well have a high price; but so long as rules, models and stuff outside of it is decently priced I think it should be easy to buy into.

Also being new and very low model count to be viable for games its likely to be a, higher priced, nice side project for many.

Titan legions and epic 2nd edition were the first starters I bought from gw and at the time I loved the those plastic titans. I think they've aged badly, but to be fair looking at a lot of the other plastics from that time they have held up better than most of the starters. The eldar and ork titans from then still remain a favourite but the launch of epic armageddon brought the boxy slightly uglier gargants and the afformentioned riveted reaver notable for its gargant looking feet! which inspired me to spend many a morning trawling markets and later ebay trying to find the those old gems (and a notable few other imperial bits that had by that point risen to rediculous prices... I'm looking at you capital imperialis!)

Looking back on what I spent on some of my epic armies I might be able to consider titanicus a steal at this point! XD. That is as long as they don't try to go too far in there usual "price based on power level" cause then those warlords could be as much as £100 each and I think that would be pushing it. But either way we'll know where we stand soon enough.

It looks like the old square SM/Epic infantry bases will fit nicely on the roofs of those new buildings...

Apparently, it's Knight Renegade price. UK anyway. Which I think is the upper limit for what I'd pay as however you try dress it up, you've got 8 minis and some buildings and a 96 page book accompanied by some card and counters. Pellanor fields is a lot of minis with a bigger book for £95 rrp.

I'd say grand master edition is a good starter for one person but two players is pushing it other than a starter in the sense of "least you got something".

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Apparently, it's Knight Renegade price. UK anyway. Which I think is the upper limit for what I'd pay as however you try dress it up, you've got 8 minis and some buildings and a 96 page book accompanied by some card and counters. Pellanor fields is a lot of minis with a bigger book for £95 rrp.

I'd say grand master edition is a good starter for one person but two players is pushing it other than a starter in the sense of "least you got something".

Yeah well if it’s pricier than Knight Renegade, that’s where you have to start thinking “Do I, a single player, actually need terrain?” And start price checking the individual components.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I'd say grand master edition is a good starter for one person but two players is pushing it other than a starter in the sense of "least you got something".

Get a rules box along with the grand master box and you should have enough stuff for two people to start learning the game until they can pad out their maniples with Reavers next month and Warhounds the month after that.

If it does turn out to be 120 quid, meaning somewhere around 90 from online discounters, that will either be stupendous value for money or else the prices for individual Titans are going to be much lower than I was expecting. Either way, it would be reason to celebrate, but I'm going to continue believing the 180 quid rumour until we get official confirmation to guard against disappointment.

 Yodhrin wrote:
If it does turn out to be 120 quid, meaning somewhere around 90 from online discounters, that will either be stupendous value for money or else the prices for individual Titans are going to be much lower than I was expecting. Either way, it would be reason to celebrate, but I'm going to continue believing the 180 quid rumour until we get official confirmation to guard against disappointment.

Not necessarily. Renegade gave us a crusader and a warden and terrain for 120. But a Warden alone is what, £90?

So it follows (potentially) that if Titanicus is £120, that's where the value is, but you pay a high premium for individual warlords / Reavers etc.

/edit - or maybe I misunderstand you. Are you saying that they might "cut" the value from the starter box, but instead give us cheaper standalones?

JWBS wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
If it does turn out to be 120 quid, meaning somewhere around 90 from online discounters, that will either be stupendous value for money or else the prices for individual Titans are going to be much lower than I was expecting. Either way, it would be reason to celebrate, but I'm going to continue believing the 180 quid rumour until we get official confirmation to guard against disappointment.

Not necessarily. Renegade gave us a crusader and a warden and terrain for 120. But a Warden alone is what, £90?

So it follows (potentially) that if Titanicus is £120, that's where the value is, but you pay a high premium for individual warlords / Reavers etc.

/edit - or maybe I misunderstand you. Are you saying that they might "cut" the value from the starter box, but instead give us cheaper standalones?

No I'm going by the rumour that the "bonus" value in the big box would be about equivalent to a free Warlord. Considering the box appears to contain the rulebook, rules starter pack(terminals, dice, cards, doodads etc), two warlords, two knight lances, and a box of terrain then if it clocks in at 120, either the box is a lot better value or some of the stuff inside is a lot cheaper than we thought it would be. I mean, assume old-Knight price for each Warlord, another 25 quid for each lance of knights, maybe 15 for the rules pack and 25 for the terrain? That'd be well over 200 quid's worth of stuff. At 180 RRP, the "free Warlord" comment makes sense, but at 120? It'd be practically half price compared to buying everything individually at those prices. Or, maybe we're overestimating how much they'll be asking for the Titans individually, if they're more like 50 bob for a Warlord and 15 quid for a lance of knights, 120 works.

Either way it would be great, but as I say I won't buy it until GW confirm it because it does seem like too good a bargain even for today's supposedly-reformed GW.

I can’t imagine that it’ll be as low as 120. That’s wishful thinking that will end in disappointment, IMO.

The Renegade box didn’t include the equivalent of two boxes of Terminators (Knights) or all the terminals, etc. that AT will come with. The AT GM box will be 150 minimum and probably more like the rumored 180.