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What would be the bare minimum that a single person would have to buy in order to play a pick up game against another person? The rules and the 3 knights? Rules and a warlord? Rules, warlord, and knights?

GW is not particularly clear about what a non-GME player would need to get, nor how they would grow into whatever a full game would look like (I'm still not clear what that looks like)

There was a statement about how during development they thought they'd be expensive resin models, so they wanted to make it that a 1v1 warlord on warlord would still be an interesting fight.

 Sqorgar wrote:
What would be the bare minimum that a single person would have to buy in order to play a pick up game against another person? The rules and the 3 knights? Rules and a warlord? Rules, warlord, and knights?

GW is not particularly clear about what a non-GME player would need to get, nor how they would grow into whatever a full game would look like (I'm still not clear what that looks like)

Bare minimum is probably the Rulebook, One titan of some standing (really hope Warhounds make it out of the gate on time), and maybe some knights, as well as terminals? I could see just solo reaver/warhound titan battles being for learning the mechanics more easily than having to manipulate several knights along side a warlord.


Aside from that, the price of the warlord and event he rules box itself makes me hesitate. I'll probably pick up a reaver and a warhound to collect. Maybe down the road, if the game sticks around, I'll buy a little more. Right now it's a pretty steep investment for a brand new game when I'm already invested in [counting on fingers] 4 other GW products/game systems? If Battlefleet Gothic is much the same when it comes out, I dont' know if I'll pick that up....

 master of ordinance wrote:
Ugh, so for a buy in I have to purchase £90's worth of stuff, close to £200 if I want to play a full game? No thanks, these prices are insane. Especially the Knights - £6 per model for 28mm sized units? Having a laugh much?

that's about the price a Battlemech mini goes for.


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 Sqorgar wrote:
What would be the bare minimum that a single person would have to buy in order to play a pick up game against another person? The rules and the 3 knights? Rules and a warlord? Rules, warlord, and knights?

GW is not particularly clear about what a non-GME player would need to get, nor how they would grow into whatever a full game would look like (I'm still not clear what that looks like)

the rules and a soda can if you're REAAALY on a budget.

Put me firmly in the 'I was excited and definitley in, but after those prices I'll see how many people pick it up and if I can get a cheap-o used set' camp.

I mean, $280 is crazy. Seriously crazy. And it seems to still be the best way to buy in.

Yeah, no thanks.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
What would be the bare minimum that a single person would have to buy in order to play a pick up game against another person? The rules and the 3 knights? Rules and a warlord? Rules, warlord, and knights?

GW is not particularly clear about what a non-GME player would need to get, nor how they would grow into whatever a full game would look like (I'm still not clear what that looks like)

the rules and a soda can if you're REAAALY on a budget.

If I show up to a pick up game with a can of soda, I will have earned whatever beating they give me.

I think you could do the rules pack and do 3 knights vs 3 knights. It's going to be a quick and not as exciting game. But it technically can be done. You'd be missing out on the management of the titans command terminal and stuff.

I wonder if someone were to wait a bit, and do a rules pack, and each player picks up a warhound pack. I think in a small game a warhound vs a warhound could be pretty interesting and wild with how agile they will be. And then from there add 3-6 knights per side. Going by how the pricing on the game appears to be i'm not counting on the reaver or warhounds to be at a reasonable price either.

 Sqorgar wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
What would be the bare minimum that a single person would have to buy in order to play a pick up game against another person? The rules and the 3 knights? Rules and a warlord? Rules, warlord, and knights?

GW is not particularly clear about what a non-GME player would need to get, nor how they would grow into whatever a full game would look like (I'm still not clear what that looks like)

the rules and a soda can if you're REAAALY on a budget.

If I show up to a pick up game with a can of soda, I will have earned whatever beating they give me.

Heh it's not ideal no. Still if you're uncertain about the game I'd definatly ask to demo it before investing, I think if I was on a budget (I'm not I've set eneugh money aside to get the GM edition and intend to myself) I'd get the rules and a warlord. I got a feeling that a Knight Banner proably won't quite cut it by itself.

 Thargrim wrote:
I think you could do the rules pack and do 3 knights vs 3 knights. It's going to be a quick and not as exciting game. But it technically can be done. You'd be missing out on the management of the titans command terminal and stuff.

But is that something that will get me a pick up game? Won't that be like showing up to Warmachine with just a battle box, where you won't a game, but might get a few gentle pats on the head because it's cute when you try?

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
I think you could do the rules pack and do 3 knights vs 3 knights. It's going to be a quick and not as exciting game. But it technically can be done. You'd be missing out on the management of the titans command terminal and stuff.

But is that something that will get me a pick up game? Won't that be like showing up to Warmachine with just a battle box, where you won't a game, but might get a few gentle pats on the head because it's cute when you try?

I'd talk to the people you might be playing this with, cause at this price it doesn't look like the type of game where you'd go into a store and get pick up games. 3 knights vs 3 knights would definitely be like barely dipping your toes in, and be kinda silly so yep. But if everyone you plan on playing with is in consensus about starting small then I don't see a big issue.

GW's lost their collective minds with this pricing, especially considering the whole 'Buy part of the rules now, some more every four months forever' scheme they're attempting. I thought Killteam was a weak enough product, game content-wise, that I'd be hard pressed to spend similar money on Titanicus...but close to *double*? No chance.

This product seems doomed to fail, I cannot understand the choices, here.

BrianDavion wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Ugh, so for a buy in I have to purchase £90's worth of stuff, close to £200 if I want to play a full game? No thanks, these prices are insane. Especially the Knights - £6 per model for 28mm sized units? Having a laugh much?

that's about the price a Battlemech mini goes for.

Except 4 of those Battletech minis is an army whereas 6 Knights is a supplementary support force. Its about the value im getting for that money.

Yeah the GME and AT prices overall are a buzz kill for sure.



If I am not mistaken, a la carte is $390 USD. So basically the GME is just over 25% off RRP. So it appears there is no question the GME discount ends up being definitely inferior to the "discount" seen with the other recent system launch boxes, e.g. Necromunda, Dark Imperium, Soul Storm, and recently Kill Team.

When we consider that this is a niche system that will always be secondary and essentially separate from GW's current core lines, I can start to understand GW's challenge with pricing AT and the GME. The other part that I think is contributing to the sticker shock is the timing. The recent Kill Team rollout has been full of great value (vis a vis historical pricing). Of course it had the advantage of using many already established kits along with its synergy with GW's flagship product so GW could afford to price Kill Team aggressively. Throw in possibly the fact that we maybe collectively suffering release fatigue (e.g. Imperial Knights, AoS 2.0, Kill Team) and the cost differential for the GME appears to be overwhelming out of balance with GW's other recent releases. With this in mind, I think I can "understand" the challenge GW had in pricing the GME and the overall AT line and its accpetance by the GW core customer base. IMHO the AT rule set appears to be comparable value when compared to the price of the core books for the other systems. So what appears to be holding AT back is the cost of the minis and scenery which when reviewed in isolation appears to be priced in a range for similar kits (i.e. # of sprues, complexity, etc.)

None of this poor attempt at GW apologetics though changes the reality for many, and that is that anecdotally the price for AT is a definite barrier to entry for many of GW's core customers who ironically are who AT is squarely aimed at.

Needless to say, expect only to see one GME (if any) and at best two copies of each of the other AT launch products per GW store (which has been the trend at my local GW for all new releases the last few months ). This of course will help create an impression of low availability due to unseen high demand regardless of how well pre-orders do. If my suspicions are right and the system does not move well, then they already have the established process of moving the remaining product to the last chance to buy wall within a month of the release and then finally back to warehouse to wither away in quite ignominy and thus avoiding the embarrassment of another Dreadfleet. The Reaver will get a web only release and we will never see the warhound. However, GW will recover quickly (and we will forget AT) when the next Primarch and narritive arc is announced.

 Lord of Deeds wrote:


So it appears there is no question the GME discount ends up being definitely inferior to the "discount" seen with the other recent system launch boxes, e.g. Necromunda,

Necromunda box doesn't give you any discount in term of plastic value. You actually lose money. The value money is from those 2d cardboard tiles, which might be worthless if you don't want to play 2d Necromunda.

Chopstick wrote:

 Lord of Deeds wrote:


So it appears there is no question the GME discount ends up being definitely inferior to the "discount" seen with the other recent system launch boxes, e.g. Necromunda,

The value money is from those 2d cardboard tiles,

I agree the Necromunda box provides additional value with the cardboard tiles along with the bulkhead doors, barricades, objectives, faction cards, tokens, dice, etc. which if purchased a la carte would cost somewhere near $180 USD compared to the current RRP. But then again value will always be in the eye of the beholder.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
That said, I'll probably just look to see if there is an easy way to magnitize them for future releases.

You mean, apart from the designed-in magnet holes the developers have specifically noted in several places?

 Crimson wrote:

as you can just glue soda cans etc. on the bases...

Waaaaaaaggggghhhhhh

a good base for conversion maybe

I did the maths and if you count all the cardboard as they are priced individually both bloodbowl and Necromunda have a similar percentage discount to Adeptus Titanicus.
I think the thing that has surprised me is how surprised people are by the price. The change in the scale was announced two years ago. The level of the discount was announced at Warhammerfest 3 months ago. (one Warlord) People seem to have been expecting the Warlord to come out for less than £50 comparing them to armiger Knights even though they are both thinner and shorter than the Warlord.
GW repeatedly said this is their most expensive box set but optimistic players seemed to think that they can't possibly mean that.
It is being pitched as a crunchy old school game and marketed to the kind of Horus Heresy player used to paying £175 for a single cerestus knight.
I am curious how many people in this thread have bought one of those big forgeworld kits. It might tell us whether the dakka crowd really is gw's target market.
For the record, the most expensive GW thing I have ever bought was the Archaon model for £100 and I am on the cusp with this. It is more expensive than I hoped, but not more than I expected.

Chikout wrote:
I did the maths and if you count all the cardboard as they are priced individually both bloodbowl and Necromunda have a similar percentage discount to Adeptus Titanicus.
I think the thing that has surprised me is how surprised people are by the price. The change in the scale was announced two years ago. The level of the discount was announced at Warhammerfest 3 months ago. (one Warlord) People seem to have been expecting the Warlord to come out for less than £50 comparing them to armiger Knights even though they are both thinner and shorter than the Warlord.
GW repeatedly said this is their most expensive box set but optimistic players seemed to think that they can't possibly mean that.
It is being pitched as a crunchy old school game and marketed to the kind of Horus Heresy player used to paying £175 for a single cerestus knight.
I am curious how many people in this thread have bought one of those big forgeworld kits. It might tell us whether the dakka crowd really is gw's target market.
For the record, the most expensive GW thing I have ever bought was the Archaon model for £100 and I am on the cusp with this. It is more expensive than I hoped, but not more than I expected.

Yeah, it's odd. I mean I was hoping for £150 and it was 10% extra.

What were people that think this is massively priced hoping for? I don't understand the surprise.

I suspect that for most it's more disappointment at having the high price confirmed, rather than surprise.

By GW standards, the price is in line. But it's going to be prohibitively expensive for many of us, and it's disappointing that this might not have been the case of GW had made different decisions during development... Like sticking with the original scale, and finding a more cost effective way of including terrain.

Or maybe people don't feel like paying too much for basicly a mirror match between two titan. Now if you had something like 3 small titan with different loadout for each side that'd actually look like a fun game people could play for a while without investing more.

I was totally expecting to get the big box but that's gonna hurt in Aussie dollars. And I am not convinced I need 6 knights or a second warlord, especially when the warlord is only armed the same as the first. I guess I'll be looking at just getting the rules and a warlord box to start.

I am relieved it is eventually not more than £175 for the GME, although it remains a lot of money, there is no disputing that.

I think most people were kind of misled by their perception of the unboxing video statement from a GW staff that it would be "the best value ever".

My initial reaction was like "cool, huge discount ahead" (thinking along the lines of Dark Imperium or Kill Team style values) but eventually it is not. Surprised? Not really but I did a lot of number crunching and scenarios.

I tried to figure out what that specific statement would mean based on the then available info: "between £5 and £200", "definitely less than £200", "most expensive boxed game", "best value ever", and "one free warlord". Not easy when you have no price info at all. So various hypothesis and updates whenever a new piece of info or rumour pops up.

In the end, from the £, US$ and € prices that have been posted, when comparing to buy the components individually and with the terrain in the GME being equivalent to 1/2 a civitas imperialis sector box the GME seems to give discounts of respectively

28% in £
30% in US$
27% in €

Nice but not tremendous ...

As far as Forgeworld kits are concerned I didn't bought any since the days of Epic (e.g. cathedral, warhound scout titans, tau, ...) and BFG (e.g. eldar spire, space marines & grey knights ships).

Sure, it can be too expensive for people - I doubt I'll get it myself. But people are surprised and angry at the price :/ It was always going to be something like this.

At least it's available everywhere so you can easily get 20% off

Chopstick wrote:
Or maybe people don't feel like paying too much for basicly a mirror match between two titan. Now if you had something like 3 small titan with different loadout for each side that'd actually look like a fun game people could play for a while without investing more.

it looks like you'll be able to swap your weapons up between cards, and at the way the game works I suspect that people might fast develop differant preferances

Just stick to 3mm model, cheap as hell and tiny. Whilst I really love those Warlord models, they feel a bit big, almost like having to play a big table just for a basic game.

Where was everyone twenty pages ago when we all thought it was £180?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Where was everyone twenty pages ago when we all thought it was £180?

I'm not gonna lie I was typing that into google and converting that to USD getting less than 240 bucks thinking I was good. I wasn't even thinking about markups and exchange rates and stuff that i'm not particularly wizened up to.

Vorian wrote:
Sure, it can be too expensive for people - I doubt I'll get it myself. But people are surprised and angry at the price :/ It was always going to be something like this.

At least it's available everywhere so you can easily get 20% off

Haven't seen angry here. Disappointed? Sure, but I would not characterize people (not here, at least) as "angry".

Well, it's certainly not cheap, but neither is it as bad as I feared it might be.

This game was never going to be for the faint of heart - I suspect the real target audience for the Grand Matter set is the grognards who fondly remember past editions.

Regardless, for me personally, a Grand Master set plus a Civitas Imperialis Sector will give me everything I need for the game excepting a Reaver and a few Warhound's when they come out.