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I would buy a full size Reaver for display if I had the time, energy and space for it but this new model is so ugly I just can't image buying it for display purposes.

I would laugh out loud if the next titan is a beefed up Warhound with a Reaver arm weapon on its back.

 Fajita Fan wrote:
I would laugh out loud if the next titan is a beefed up Warhound with a Reaver arm weapon on its back.

If its aesthetics are close to the Slaanesh Subjugator, I'd be extremely happy.

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Upcoming AT update on Twitch TV this Thursday at 5pm UK time
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followed by a battle report

The Warbringer is ugly as hell, and I hope they alter the goofy head or the proportions slightly for an AT model and make it less ugly. It's not like we get a Titan that often..so getting a piss-ugly one is a shame. The new starter set is nice, and I honestly think the actual "release" box should have been a single Reaver, two warhounds, and six knights or something --- cutting the price and leaving the Warlord for later purchase. Slap that in a $150 or so box and have a genuine actual starting game for a not-absurd price point.

Elbows have you seen the 360 display or some side photo? From the side nad at different angles it looks a lot better! Front on isn't its best angle

 Elbows wrote:
The new starter set is nice, and I honestly think the actual "release" box should have been a single Reaver, two warhounds, and six knights or something --- cutting the price and leaving the Warlord for later purchase. Slap that in a $150 or so box and have a genuine actual starting game for a not-absurd price point.

I agree that GW needs a better starting point for new players, and the reaver seems to fit that purpose better than the warlord. I say the ruleset, 2 reavers and 2 frames of the buildings - at £90. Just enough to kick things off and two players to shoot the crap out of each other...similar to Imperial Knights Renegade perhaps? For those who want to go large they can then consider adding a Warlord or if they want to keep it small then a box of knights.

Come to think of it, they will soon have two versions of the Reaver to make this a reality...

This box set has me thinking seriously about getting into AT, for pretty much the first time. I can see myself getting that plus the alternate warlord.

No idea what kind of army that would make of course, but the models are pretty cool.

Mandragola wrote:
This box set has me thinking seriously about getting into AT, for pretty much the first time. I can see myself getting that plus the alternate warlord.

There are some pretty sweet deals on the old Grand Master Edition from time to time. Some areas sell out while others can't move product and have to liquidate to make room for stuff that does sell. I just nabbed one yesterday for $250 shipped plus a 10% discount from eBay. Check your options before you buy any new sets with existing models.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
The new starter set is nice, and I honestly think the actual "release" box should have been a single Reaver, two warhounds, and six knights or something --- cutting the price and leaving the Warlord for later purchase. Slap that in a $150 or so box and have a genuine actual starting game for a not-absurd price point.

I agree that GW needs a better starting point for new players, and the reaver seems to fit that purpose better than the warlord. I say the ruleset, 2 reavers and 2 frames of the buildings - at £90. Just enough to kick things off and two players to shoot the crap out of each other...similar to Imperial Knights Renegade perhaps? For those who want to go large they can then consider adding a Warlord or if they want to keep it small then a box of knights.

Come to think of it, they will soon have two versions of the Reaver to make this a reality...

Having new reaver might not be as nice as you might think. If player wants all weapons for all titans(like i) he would then have to buy new reaver box just for weapons...

Since they already announced that the new Warlord weapons sprue will be released separately, I think it's safe to think the same will be true of the Reaver.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Since they already announced that the new Warlord weapons sprue will be released separately, I think it's safe to think the same will be true of the Reaver.

Yes. NEW. No word whatsoever about OLD one...Which is why I'm not buying the new warlord box unless GW gives official word that the OLD weapon sprue comes out separately or I would have warlord with new sprue but no old one(which means no very handy apoc missile launchers for example and stuck with the laser blasters which are my 2nd least favourite carapaces)

If there was box set that had old reaver+new reaver what would happen? I would have old+new sprue and option to buy new sprue...Whatabout the 2nd old sprue? Answer: Would need to buy whole old reaver just for that.

I want all titans to have all sprues. Ergo I can't buy the new boxes.

I own two Warhounds and a Reaver (some pictures are in my gallery). I manage to play a few games a year with them, usually against a couple of Revenants and a Phantom or two with me supplementing my super heavies with a few knights. A warlord is on my list but I'm waiting for the Chaos version to match my other titans, I don't care how long I have to wait. I would guess I'm part of the primary target market for any new 40k Titans.

I feel that FW wants newer titans because 1) most people who actually will buy a 40k Imperial Titan already own one (or more), and 2) Warhounds/Reavers are decidedly under gunned against the latest Knights for the same points. I have a Porphyrion and that is just amazing points value compared to a Warhound. Sure one Warhound hits harder than one Porphyrion (especially against titanic), but I can take two Porphyrions and nearly two Armigers for the same points.

I suspect FW want to up gun the newest 40k Titan to match the inflation caused by the newest Knights, and sell more models to those who have already bought 40k Titans. Hence why we end up with this monstrosity. Would I buy it? Not as it currently looks.

That the warhound/reaver in 40k(not that it's relevant for game of AT) isn't worry for FW. They aren't even meant for gaming piece nor is GW interested in selling them to gamers. For gamers they prefer to spend that ££££ into plastic which gives higher profit rate for GW. The titan is marketed for those who are looking for non-gaming models so to which more plastic isn't that working idea. They could very well have already all the plastic they need as they aren't spamming most broken stuff nor are changing armies all the time chasing the most broken combo.

Warhound/reaver/warlord being lousy in game is pretty much irrelevant. They don't sell them for being useful in game. They aren't even usable in games where point efficiency is needed. In big apoc "bring what you have got" type of games point efficiency isn't even worth worrying so the big cool models fit right in.

However there's only so many titans you can sell to such collectors. They are more likely to buy 2 big titans than same titan twice.

I keep seeing this display piece only line all the time about 40k Titans, usually from people who say if they bought a Titan it would be a display piece only. Everybody I know who actually bought one games with it, granted not that many times a year, but they do use it. Its a constant source of comment during said game if the rules aren't very good or too good for a particular Titan. If you spent a lot of money on a model, and spent a huge number of points to field it, you don't want something that is going to give you a game when its a special event game.

 Looky Likey wrote:
I keep seeing this display piece only line all the time about 40k Titans, usually from people who say if they bought a Titan it would be a display piece only. Everybody I know who actually bought one games with it, granted not that many times a year, but they do use it. Its a constant source of comment during said game if the rules aren't very good or too good for a particular Titan. If you spent a lot of money on a model, and spent a huge number of points to field it, you don't want something that is going to give you a game when its a special event game.

You see them in games yes but are they big non-competive games or competive games? None of the titans are competive and indeed in terms of competiveness are auto lose. Ergo if you see them being used they are used DESPITE being sucky in gaming. Ergo they aren't being bought because they are good in game(they aren't. They are basically auto lose unless opponent also takes them).

Who buys one because they are COMPETIVE? You can't even field 2/3 of them in typical game so out of question. And warhound is automatic lose with 1500 pts nevermind the new 2000.

They are used because they are cool models and you already have it. Not because they are competive.

tneva82 wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
I keep seeing this display piece only line all the time about 40k Titans, usually from people who say if they bought a Titan it would be a display piece only. Everybody I know who actually bought one games with it, granted not that many times a year, but they do use it. Its a constant source of comment during said game if the rules aren't very good or too good for a particular Titan. If you spent a lot of money on a model, and spent a huge number of points to field it, you don't want something that is going to give you a game when its a special event game.

You see them in games yes but are they big non-competive games or competive games? None of the titans are competive and indeed in terms of competiveness are auto lose. Ergo if you see them being used they are used DESPITE being sucky in gaming. Ergo they aren't being bought because they are good in game(they aren't. They are basically auto lose unless opponent also takes them).

Who buys one because they are COMPETIVE? You can't even field 2/3 of them in typical game so out of question. And warhound is automatic lose with 1500 pts nevermind the new 2000.

They are used because they are cool models and you already have it. Not because they are competive.

Oh, so people do game with them then and not just have them as display pieces.

Competitive is relative. If you've spent a lot of money and time on some big toys, then had the hassle of organising a big game, last thing you want is your opponents latest big shinny being more powerful for less points as that leads to a game because you got wiped out early. If you are playing 2 or 3 games a week one early game wipe out a month or so isn't a big deal. If its your biannual big game using a £1ks worth of single model, last thing you want is to be wiped out by something costing less than half the points because the new model is just plain better per points. You want the game to last a good few turns without having to manually balance the forces.

Damage inflation per point is a real and intentional thing with super heavy walkers. The existing rules could be buffed but that won't sell as many models, hence why we get this new piece of .

The difference is, I think most people buy a titan because they want to paint and look at one, and then think "well, I've got it here, might as well use it".

As opposed to buying a titan because of its rules.

If I was going to spend £1200 on a 40k army, I'd spend that money on an army I'd use every week, not something I'll use once in a blue moon.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Competitive is relative. If you've spent a lot of money and time on some big toys, then had the hassle of organising a big game, last thing you want is your opponents latest big shinny being more powerful for less points as that leads to a game because you got wiped out early. If you are playing 2 or 3 games a week one early game wipe out a month or so isn't a big deal. If its your biannual big game using a £1ks worth of single model, last thing you want is to be wiped out by something costing less than half the points because the new model is just plain better per points. You want the game to last a good few turns without having to manually balance the forces.

Damage inflation per point is a real and intentional thing with super heavy walkers. The existing rules could be buffed but that won't sell as many models, hence why we get this new piece of .

Well clearly it's not a problem for many because people use them despite them never having been competive options...They suck. Gaming wise they all suck. You buy one knowing they suck. Hell GW doesn't even WANT them to be competive as the less those who want competive buy them rather than plastic the better it is for GW.

If being bad would be problem for buying titans they wouldn't sell at all. They suck. Pure and simple. You don't buy one if you expect it to be useful. Their rules are not issue for selling.

They are put on gaming board because you already have one. Not because you thought "they are good. Let's buy one and then play". It's buy first, then think up how to use it in game.

And new titan won't be good in terms of playability either. For starters it's between reaver and warlord so price will be about same. At which point it's moot point. GW don't have even much room to wiggle around. What? They are going to give it warlord level of stats for 2000 pts? That might not even make it out of automatic lose category...

Probably answered before but enlighten me please.

So I was waiting before decided whether to buy AT. Now new weapon options are out etc are they individual sprues? Or do you for example have to buy an entire new Warlord etc? All I see is different entire Warlords? Am I missing something?

Just gunna wait longer it seems? (Would do BFG in a heart beat however)

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Probably answered before but enlighten me please.

So I was waiting before decided whether to buy AT. Now new weapon options are out etc are they individual sprues? Or do you for example have to buy an entire new Warlord etc? All I see is different entire Warlords? Am I missing something?

Just gunna wait longer it seems? (Would do BFG in a heart beat however)

Don't worry, that's the reaction most of us had, but the reaction was strong enough that GW are electing to release the new weapon sprues on their own early next year. For now you buy a Warlord/Reaver box that comprises a chassis sprue, an armour plating sprue, and one of the two weapon sprues.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Probably answered before but enlighten me please.

So I was waiting before decided whether to buy AT. Now new weapon options are out etc are they individual sprues? Or do you for example have to buy an entire new Warlord etc? All I see is different entire Warlords? Am I missing something?

Just gunna wait longer it seems? (Would do BFG in a heart beat however)

Don't worry, that's the reaction most of us had, but the reaction was strong enough that GW are electing to release the new weapon sprues on their own early next year. For now you buy a Warlord/Reaver box that comprises a chassis sprue, an armour plating sprue, and one of the two weapon sprues.

If they combine that with say some other races, will be sold

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Probably answered before but enlighten me please.

So I was waiting before decided whether to buy AT. Now new weapon options are out etc are they individual sprues? Or do you for example have to buy an entire new Warlord etc? All I see is different entire Warlords? Am I missing something?

Just gunna wait longer it seems? (Would do BFG in a heart beat however)

So far official word is that the new weapon sprue is coming up. WHEN is still unknown. Another thing not known is whether OLD weapon sprue becomes on sale separate. That one could be important if you, like me, want all weapons for your titans so need both sprues. If new weapon sprue is separately available but not old one then buying the new titan will prevent you from having all weapons. Now if you have like 2 old and 1 new maybe you can live without old sprue for all(though I can see myself using 3 apoc launchers time to time for warlords for example) but if you want all sprues...Safe(though slow) way is to buy only original titan boxes and wait for individual sprues to come on sale whenever that is(next year and likely early but could still be january-march. If they want mention of that in WD pretty much has to be march though maybe they can decide to skip mention in WD for individual weapon sprues)


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Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Probably answered before but enlighten me please.

So I was waiting before decided whether to buy AT. Now new weapon options are out etc are they individual sprues? Or do you for example have to buy an entire new Warlord etc? All I see is different entire Warlords? Am I missing something?

Just gunna wait longer it seems? (Would do BFG in a heart beat however)

Don't worry, that's the reaction most of us had, but the reaction was strong enough that GW are electing to release the new weapon sprues on their own early next year. For now you buy a Warlord/Reaver box that comprises a chassis sprue, an armour plating sprue, and one of the two weapon sprues.

If they combine that with say some other races, will be sold

Other races are not currently on plans it seems but if the game sells well could come later. Not coming in a hurry though. I would myself guess 2020 or 2021 earliest.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Probably answered before but enlighten me please.

So I was waiting before decided whether to buy AT. Now new weapon options are out etc are they individual sprues? Or do you for example have to buy an entire new Warlord etc? All I see is different entire Warlords? Am I missing something?

Just gunna wait longer it seems? (Would do BFG in a heart beat however)

Don't worry, that's the reaction most of us had, but the reaction was strong enough that GW are electing to release the new weapon sprues on their own early next year. For now you buy a Warlord/Reaver box that comprises a chassis sprue, an armour plating sprue, and one of the two weapon sprues.

Probably worth watching the AT segment on Twitch TV this Thursday at 5pm UK time, it is titled "AT update".

I am expecting a third version of the warlord with the remaining weapons to be sold as a complete model, then likely in the wake of Titandeath release, individual weapons sprues would become available. I think most of us are eagerly awaiting them.

Mendi Warrior wrote:
I am expecting a third version of the warlord with the remaining weapons to be sold as a complete model, then likely in the wake of Titandeath release, individual weapons sprues would become available. I think most of us are eagerly awaiting them.

There's rumbling based on talks with stuff on the vigilus day there might not BE another plastic sprue and rest would be resin upgrades. Nothing official(and the persons said themselves they aren't definite it will be so) but that's what couple persons noted after they talked with designers. Hopefully wrong. 2/3 of my favourite weapons are still missing though as I don't have huge hate toward resin as some I can live with that. Biggest annoyance would be having to order directly rather than to FLGS.

tneva82 wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:
I am expecting a third version of the warlord with the remaining weapons to be sold as a complete model, then likely in the wake of Titandeath release, individual weapons sprues would become available. I think most of us are eagerly awaiting them.

There's rumbling based on talks with stuff on the vigilus day there might not BE another plastic sprue and rest would be resin upgrades. Nothing official(and the persons said themselves they aren't definite it will be so) but that's what couple persons noted after they talked with designers. Hopefully wrong. 2/3 of my favourite weapons are still missing though as I don't have huge hate toward resin as some I can live with that. Biggest annoyance would be having to order directly rather than to FLGS.

I hope they will come as plastic. Curious to see what they will say tomorrow, if we get any hint about future weapons sprues.

Another unknown element is that we still don't know if individual weapons sprues will be available direct only or via FLGS, my preference is also via FLGS.

Mendi Warrior wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:
I am expecting a third version of the warlord with the remaining weapons to be sold as a complete model, then likely in the wake of Titandeath release, individual weapons sprues would become available. I think most of us are eagerly awaiting them.

There's rumbling based on talks with stuff on the vigilus day there might not BE another plastic sprue and rest would be resin upgrades. Nothing official(and the persons said themselves they aren't definite it will be so) but that's what couple persons noted after they talked with designers. Hopefully wrong. 2/3 of my favourite weapons are still missing though as I don't have huge hate toward resin as some I can live with that. Biggest annoyance would be having to order directly rather than to FLGS.

I hope they will come as plastic. Curious to see what they will say tomorrow, if we get any hint about future weapons sprues.

Another unknown element is that we still don't know if individual weapons sprues will be available direct only or via FLGS, my preference is also via FLGS.

At least my FLGS said they can provide anything except made to order. They will get smaller profit from direct only but for example command terminals etc that aren't standard stuff they can order.

Of course guess would depend on FLGS. As their line on it is very thin some don't do it.

The thing with resin weapons however might be that they aren't sold by GW store(FLGS can do it) but from forge world(FLGS cannot). But weapon sprues being plastic will almost certainly be GW sold and ergo FLGS safe.

Cheers for all the awesome advice and info.

I personally don't use twitch but I'm sure a lot of AT fans should join in for that to see what is what.

They would be insane if they don't release a weapon sprue (personal opinion).

Even if they do, they have shaken me in how they will release or they think to market, it's not worth it for a 1 faction army. My opinion is not set in stone, in future may change my mind. Just for a single release army, that is (not expensive for what need, but seems expensive) but is already limited in player market, I don't see it growing quick from GW marketing choices.

In my area is zero interest, so I will wait out a bit more before decide to commit (and try and get people into it).

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Cheers for all the awesome advice and info.

I personally don't use twitch but I'm sure a lot of AT fans should join in for that to see what is what.

They would be insane if they don't release a weapon sprue (personal opinion).

Even if they do, they have shaken me in how they will release or they think to market, it's not worth it for a 1 faction army. My opinion is not set in stone, in future may change my mind. Just for a single release army, that is (not expensive for what need, but seems expensive) but is already limited in player market, I don't see it growing quick from GW marketing choices.

In my area is zero interest, so I will wait out a bit more before decide to commit (and try and get people into it).

"They are insane" was fairly popular opinion likely in the 1 day period it looked like that was what they were going to do

As for factions there might appear to be just 1 but legion rules will separate and there's already big difference with different lists with legion rules(next supplement gives several more), maniple rules(axiom maniple doesn't play at all like venator and that is complete opposite of myrmidon etc). With new titan classes coming up and knights there's plenty of room for each player to field and play different type of lists.

Lack of local community is valid problem though. I solved that in bit expensive way by getting 2 legions so I can provide opponent with legion. Hopefully helps converting people

Key issue being resources. There's only so much plastic moulds they are allowed to produce as those are expensive. Especially for unproven game. If game is selling as well as it seems maybe GW will allow accelerating schedule or at least lock up on xenos factions but even then simple fact is lead times are long. Even if they would green light first xenos faction today it would be late 2019 at earliest.

tneva82 wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Cheers for all the awesome advice and info.

I personally don't use twitch but I'm sure a lot of AT fans should join in for that to see what is what.

They would be insane if they don't release a weapon sprue (personal opinion).

Even if they do, they have shaken me in how they will release or they think to market, it's not worth it for a 1 faction army. My opinion is not set in stone, in future may change my mind. Just for a single release army, that is (not expensive for what need, but seems expensive) but is already limited in player market, I don't see it growing quick from GW marketing choices.

In my area is zero interest, so I will wait out a bit more before decide to commit (and try and get people into it).

"They are insane" was fairly popular opinion likely in the 1 day period it looked like that was what they were going to do

As for factions there might appear to be just 1 but legion rules will separate and there's already big difference with different lists with legion rules(next supplement gives several more), maniple rules(axiom maniple doesn't play at all like venator and that is complete opposite of myrmidon etc). With new titan classes coming up and knights there's plenty of room for each player to field and play different type of lists.

Lack of local community is valid problem though. I solved that in bit expensive way by getting 2 legions so I can provide opponent with legion. Hopefully helps converting people

Key issue being resources. There's only so much plastic moulds they are allowed to produce as those are expensive. Especially for unproven game. If game is selling as well as it seems maybe GW will allow accelerating schedule or at least lock up on xenos factions but even then simple fact is lead times are long. Even if they would green light first xenos faction today it would be late 2019 at earliest.

Factions of "Space Marines are still Space Marines" (not that they are Space marines is the relegation or similarity) is all I hear quoted trying to convert people to it if they don't think big machines are cool (I do but...), or where is my Ork titan, or where is my Eldar titan etc etc.

I am not gunna buy personally until see some separate weapons sprues, so can promote more and I am then not gunna buy until my mates could get interested. Not collectible for me like Necromunda etc or BFG. This is just a fun game I would like to play, but if not I'm not worried if don't.

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Probably answered before but enlighten me please.

So I was waiting before decided whether to buy AT. Now new weapon options are out etc are they individual sprues? Or do you for example have to buy an entire new Warlord etc? All I see is different entire Warlords? Am I missing something?

Just gunna wait longer it seems? (Would do BFG in a heart beat however)

At the moment, you have to buy an entire new Warlord, however GW have announced that the sprues will be available individually in the new year. At least, the ones from the new versions of the Warlord and Reaver will be, they haven't stated if the sprues from the original versions will also be released individually. I'd expect so, but if you want to be safe, buy the original Warlord\Reaver versions for now. The Warhounds come with two of each weapon per pair so you should have enough weapons as standard, unless you want to arm lots of Warhounds with the same matching pair of weapons.