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beast_gts wrote:
Garro shared on FB some "Minor spoiler from Mortis, relating to Adeptus Titanicus. First sighting of Warmaster titans."

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(Let me know if you can't see the images and I'll copy them over)



I'm glad they tied their namesake to horus specifically, it makes it more believable. It would seem they'll have to explain how the imperials got their hands on some or the stc to make them.
   
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The excerpt from Mortis seems to suggest that they existed prior to the Heresy, the Mechanicum just didn't deploy them, so seems reasonable that the loyalist Mechanicum would have the knowledge of them and that some could already even exist in loyalist Titan Legions.
   
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Mechanicus secretly hoarded them.

Come the Heresy, Dark AdMech deployed theirs and renamed them in honour of Horus.

Then the loyalist AdMech had no chance but to say Cowabunga it is and deploy theirs.

When they reclaimed Mars the name was set to Read-only in the computers so they're stuck with it.

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Meh, copout line from a likely shoddy black library book. As always with 40k 30k, everything is cannon. So, it is entirely possible that the Warmaster was named before Horus and they'd be seen exceedingly rarely when a total battle was needed. I can't believe these wouldn't have been seen duking it out with the Rangda equivalents
   
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Or the class was named for Horus before the heresy but kept in reserve anyway as a just-in-case measure. Then the case happened and everyone deployed them in short order, with the loyalists not bothering to rename them because they needed stompy bois right now, not in three to nine weeks, after the Rite of Renaming was complete.

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Warmaster is a legitimate, if slightly ill-omened rank in 40k.
   
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Nurglitch wrote:
Warmaster is a legitimate, if slightly ill-omened rank in 40k.

This too. Macharius had the option of “Warmaster” or “Lord Solar” when he got promoted. We know which he chose but other crusade bosses have chosen to be entitled “Warmaster” since the Heresy. Like Slaydo and Macaroth of the Sabbat Worlds crusade/reconquest.

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It's not the first war engine named for a Primarch *cough Russ cough*
   
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Forgive me if this has already been covered elsewhere, but are Knight Domini getting added to Titanicus, like the Castellan and Valiant?

Also are there any rumors about Xenos Titans in the future or no?

Am new to this and am interested in Titanicus
   
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panzerfront14 wrote:
Forgive me if this has already been covered elsewhere, but are Knight Domini getting added to Titanicus, like the Castellan and Valiant?

Also are there any rumors about Xenos Titans in the future or no?

Am new to this and am interested in Titanicus


What exists is more or less what we know.

And - officially - no plans to add xenos titans at this time.
   
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Eumerin wrote:
panzerfront14 wrote:
Forgive me if this has already been covered elsewhere, but are Knight Domini getting added to Titanicus, like the Castellan and Valiant?

Also are there any rumors about Xenos Titans in the future or no?

Am new to this and am interested in Titanicus


What exists is more or less what we know.

And - officially - no plans to add xenos titans at this time.


I think on one of the GW podcasts they mentioned that they wouldn’t add xenos titans as this is the Horus heresy era. If it was the War of the Beast then you would see Ork Gargants. So hopefully when they eventually add xenos that could how they do it, by introducing them in a new campaign book and not bolted on to the Horus heresy.
   
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panzerfront14 wrote:
Forgive me if this has already been covered elsewhere, but are Knight Domini getting added to Titanicus, like the Castellan and Valiant?


Nothing announced yet, but highly likely as the next knight class to be released.

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I love you all but they're not adding xenos, play the game first before prognosticating based only on want. This is a game that already falters by pretending knights can be their own faction, xenos factions aren't coming.

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 Crablezworth wrote:
This is a game that already falters by pretending knights can be their own faction


HOW DARE YOU!!!

Moderators - we demand justice!!!

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Crablezworth wrote:
I love you all but they're not adding xenos, play the game first before prognosticating based only on want. This is a game that already falters by pretending knights can be their own faction, xenos factions aren't coming.


You can't seriously believe that, surely?

Like, they're not coming tomorrow or next month, but they only have two, maybe three more "core engine" releases(Rapier, Imperator, potential Warhound/Reaver betweener chassis assuming the Rapier ends up smaller than the Warhound as everyone assumes) before it starts getting a bit ridiculous. Beyond that what are their other options - a non-Nemesis Warbringer with dual Reaver arms and dual Warhound shoulders? The Chaos releases, which would probably end up being a set of armour kits - plastic or resin - for the existing chassis to recreate the modern FW-style Chaos Titans, with an option to make a few more radical god-specific engines like the Banelord. A couple of the knight kits some folk seem to detest so.

That ain't nothing, but it's certainly finite, and if in two or three years time AT is still popular(to the extent a complex specialist game can be), you really think GW are just going to drop it when they could keep making money?

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I think we will get Epic 30k before we see xenos titans in Titanicus.
   
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But Epic 30k would be a totally separate game, not per se a way of further milking out Titanicus specifically.

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SamusDrake wrote:
 Crablezworth wrote:
This is a game that already falters by pretending knights can be their own faction


HOW DARE YOU!!!

Moderators - we demand justice!!!


Porphyrion's not included


 Yodhrin wrote:
 Crablezworth wrote:
I love you all but they're not adding xenos, play the game first before prognosticating based only on want. This is a game that already falters by pretending knights can be their own faction, xenos factions aren't coming.


You can't seriously believe that, surely?

Like, they're not coming tomorrow or next month, but they only have two, maybe three more "core engine" releases(Rapier, Imperator, potential Warhound/Reaver betweener chassis assuming the Rapier ends up smaller than the Warhound as everyone assumes) before it starts getting a bit ridiculous. Beyond that what are their other options - a non-Nemesis Warbringer with dual Reaver arms and dual Warhound shoulders? The Chaos releases, which would probably end up being a set of armour kits - plastic or resin - for the existing chassis to recreate the modern FW-style Chaos Titans, with an option to make a few more radical god-specific engines like the Banelord. A couple of the knight kits some folk seem to detest so.

That ain't nothing, but it's certainly finite, and if in two or three years time AT is still popular(to the extent a complex specialist game can be), you really think GW are just going to drop it when they could keep making money?


The AT ama with the designer basically spells it out, it was a game envisioned for like 3-5 giant robots to fight it out. People have been trying to stretch an alternating activation game to its limits ever since, gw is included in that. Even the new big titan makes me question if they're aware the game is alternating activation. It was supposed to sorta be chaos/corrupted titans/knights next but they released this big thing instead. I still don't think you'll see xenos, every book has been 30k and loyalist vs traitors, and now blackshields, all titan-based. Knights aren't a terrible support element but they already sorta make a mockery of having to own command terminals that account for a whole 1 thing (armour pips), I don't think adding a bunch of stompas or gargans that function similarly would do anything good for a titan focused game. I'll say it again, we already have to pretend knights as their own faction is a good thing for the game. Xenos armies for titanicus aren't coming, maybe they'll do a cool xenos beast/monster box, there are already scenarios in a couple books with big alien monsters that attack stuff but that seems to be about the extent. Even in the latest book, any mention of xenos isn't even by name, simply "xenos raiders", it's not that the 30k universe is any more devoid of xenos than the 40k one but they're not the focus, it's loyalist vs traitor with a splash of blackshield.

If by some miracle they added xenos, the balance would be an issue as one of the best aspects of AT is its basically mirror match in addition to being alternating activation, it's as close to fair as you're gonna get. Xenos stuff like eldar will likely mess with that too much, for it to work they or other factions would still need a pretty rigid structure and to also have their own versions of command terminals and so on. If eldar titans show up and just work like obnoxious knights or orks get a book and all of a sudden its a sea of activations on one side it just pushes the game too out of whack. I'm all for orks or eldar models or necron that attack both players like an npc model or something. "Oh you rolled a 4 on the wtf table and some gargants showed up, roll for what game edge" "Oh crap, looks like they'll be shooting my warhound" I'm all for that stuff, ork pirates crumping out of sheer bordem or eldar pirates picking a fight above their weight, but it just doesn't make sense in a fairly rigidly structured game that centers around titans.

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Racerguy180 wrote:
I think we will get Epic 30k before we see xenos titans in Titanicus.


I think that to be more likely as well. If the scale happens to match and there's cross pollination when it comes to some stratagems or something, sure. Already see that with epic minis and stratagems like titan hunter infantry or forward observers, I have a xiphon model to remind myself if I've used strafing run yet.


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 Malika2 wrote:
But Epic 30k would be a totally separate game, not per se a way of further milking out Titanicus specifically.


As it sorta should be, titanicus being alternating activation means it's not that forgiving to each side having a truck load of activations. It just gets bogged down. Which is also to me why I hope this new titan is the biggest they go because its already a lot of shooting from one model, especially with all the 90 arc weaponry and only one being corridor.

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Personally, I can see the Baneblade variants popping up first as they are slow and packing the same armament as titans; mega-bolters and volcano cannons. Also, I could have sworn that they have either ion or void shielding, but l can't find where it states that. Must be thinking of something else...


 Crablezworth wrote:


Porphyrion's not included



OMG, I would so love Titanicus if the Doom Turtles could be their own thing!

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I think we’ll probably see Xenos eventually, but they aren’t needed for a while. I wouldn’t be surprised if balance falls apart as soon as another faction is added too, this being a GW game after all. That’s why I’m in no rush for them personally.
   
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I can't imagine how to balance agile titans and knights that can fly, jump, and have more powerful psychic abilities than the Imperial titan without butchering said titans and knight for "balance reason".

Which I'm certain if they made rule for these, they'll mess it up and upset one side of players.

SamusDrake wrote:
Also, I could have sworn that they have either ion or void shielding, but l can't find where it states that. Must be thinking of something else...





They don't, they have thick front armor, and tanky enough to take a few shot from titan destroyer class weapons. Don't want to be shot at? Use smoke launcher.

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I was cleaning up my house this past weekend.

My hobby table was a mess, covered in half built models, paint pots, resin dust, half cut sprue. I decided to clean it up, and after a three hour job I found a box neatly packed under it with all my AT stuff in it, still sealed up.

Went down to my FLGS later in the day, and discovered that they're preparing to open back up for in person gaming!

The owner kept telling me about some new titan and one thing lead to another...well, now I am finally building my stock of models. Did GW happen to say when we might see this new Warmaster Titan?
   
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 Togusa wrote:
I was cleaning up my house this past weekend.

My hobby table was a mess, covered in half built models, paint pots, resin dust, half cut sprue. I decided to clean it up, and after a three hour job I found a box neatly packed under it with all my AT stuff in it, still sealed up.

Went down to my FLGS later in the day, and discovered that they're preparing to open back up for in person gaming!

The owner kept telling me about some new titan and one thing lead to another...well, now I am finally building my stock of models. Did GW happen to say when we might see this new Warmaster Titan?

They don’t give out those kinds of details on the previews but the general window for the previewed stuff is within 3 months.
The fact that we already have the command terminal published leads me to believe it may be sooner rather than later within that bracket but no guarantees.

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I guess we know at this point that it is at least 3 weeks away, as we've seen the pre-orders for next Saturday now and GW are currently only doing pre-orders every 2 weeks at the moment (I assume AT pre-orders wont be any different, except possibly any Forgeworld releases).
   
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Chopstick wrote:

They don't, they have thick front armor, and tanky enough to take a few shot from titan destroyer class weapons. Don't want to be shot at? Use smoke launcher.


Cheers for clearing that up.

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SamusDrake wrote:
Personally, I can see the Baneblade variants popping up first as they are slow and packing the same armament as titans; mega-bolters and volcano cannons. Also, I could have sworn that they have either ion or void shielding, but l can't find where it states that. Must be thinking of something else...


 Crablezworth wrote:


Porphyrion's not included



OMG, I would so love Titanicus if the Doom Turtles could be their own thing!


Super heavy tanks might not of had shields, but you you might of been thinking of the Capitol Imperialis and Leviathon. They were mobile command centres and had void shields.

Capitol Imperialis
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Leviathan
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Ordinatus had void shields. Ordinatus Minoris would be a cool addition to the game. Warlord scale gun on a warhound level chassis effectively. Keep it moving like a titan rather than a knight. Long ways on a warlord base, and use part of the sprue for a new template that fits the narrow end of the oval rather than the current ones.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.



TBH I think the problem is more that you've developed a very specific idea in your mind of what AT "should" be that's somewhat at odds with the reality of it, even the reality of it when it was being developed. I mean, are you really going to tell me AT was only ever intended to be a 2-5 engine mirrormatch when we have interviews with the creator of the ruleset clearly stating that he wrote them purposefully such that they could support vehicle and even infantry elements in future if that was an option the company wanted to pursue? The 2-5 engine mirrormatch was always clearly the starting point for AT, not its totality, and whether you like that or not it's something you're really going to have to learn to live with if you want to keep playing the game going forward. Besides which, at this point I think this esports-esque conception of AT as the pinnacle of balanced tactical brow-furrowed seriousness is already something of a memory; forget Knights, even just the plethora of Legio rules(and build-your-own) and traits - with no doubt many more to come - have introduced some clear imbalances. Nothing on the level of a typical GW game of course, AT is still the best modern ruleset and one of their best of all time, but there are clear better and worse options now not merely situationally but absolutely. I don't see any reason that would have to get radically worse with the inclusion of Xenos engines.

The books so far have contained what they do because the setting is currently the Heresy, there's absolutely nothing preventing them from deciding to nip backwards and do a few books covering the Crusade, or forwards to detail a (hopefully less spectacularly dumb)version of War of the Beast, or the Interregnum, or the Apostasy, or the Tyrannic Wars, or entirely new events of their own devising if & when they decide to expand things.

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"the creator of the ruleset clearly stating that he wrote them purposefully such that they could support vehicle and even infantry elements in future if that was an option the company wanted to pursue?" They already have, titan hunter infantry, that's not the same as titanicus becoming epic because people want it to be, nor does making a game alternate activation speak to endless scale, you'd need a 30k/40k style turn sequence to support it.


" it's something you're really going to have to learn to live with if you want to keep playing the game going forward."
Really not though, you're going to have to learn adeptus titanicus is, shockingly, a game about titans... I don't know what else it could be.

It's pretty simple, the game is alternating activation with a handful of models, and that's largely why it works as well as it does. That doesn't translate well to adding 50 tanks or hundreds of infantry just as well as it doesn't translate to adding super robots that fly (eldar) or a sea of garbage robots (orks). It's a game already made worse by the less than balanced faction rules, which you mentioned. The game falls apart the higher the points go, simply because even with attrition there's simply too many activations. This is a game where something like reserves is very rare and often only present in specific scenarios and not really in the core game. There's a physical space limit for command terminals as well as a limit on both players ability to wield so many titans. Myself after about 6 titans there's very little space to even place the terminals and I'm fortunate enough to have a 4x8 table.

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Epic Armageddon was alternating activation. I haven't actually played the new Adeptus Titanicus, but I have managed to glance at the rulebook and so the discussion of whether (and how) it could be expanded is pretty interesting to me.
   
 
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