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Oooh, narrative mission with multiple Warmasters vs some “ordinary” Titans? Yes please!

So, no-one noticed the volcano cannon on the Warbringer?

Edit: Bottom left:

Oh nice. I suppose we can expect pre-orders on the 13th then.

A maniple of Warmasters? Sounds like quite a caper.

Issue 462 looks promising.

It's just nice to see it not painted like optimus prime for once, the ingatum scheme already makes it look better.

Can anyone tell what the Warbringer's arms are? If they're old, it's probably just a FW carapace gun, not a whole sprue.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can anyone tell what the Warbringer's arms are? If they're old, it's probably just a FW carapace gun, not a whole sprue.

Yeah the fact that it doesn't have a different head make me think it might be fw.

Pity. Would have liked to have seen some alt heads

Volcano Cannon, new head and Reaver sized plasma arms, that would've been a cool sprue.

Warmaster has the alternate head though that's good. Is the gun the same? the bronze version looks like it has a crosshatch pattern rather than the vertical lines that plasma weapons usually have.

JWBS wrote:
Warmaster has the alternate head though that's good. Is the gun the same? the bronze version looks like it has a crosshatch pattern rather than the vertical lines that plasma weapons usually have.

Same arm weapons from the looks of it. It has them on the cover the loyalist legio book too it seems.

I'm a bit surprised how far the shoulder guns on the war master can rotate. Nice to see the third head and turbo lasers option is in the kit.

Edit actually the Fire Wasp shoulders look like Plasma Blastguns, not turbolasers. 3 options in the kit is nice.

Yep, nice to see the Plasma Blastguns for the shoulder weapons and the head from the book cover in a standard shot (so we know it's not just a photoshop), so seems like at least 3 shoulder weapon options and 3 heads. Oh, and this was pretty much a given, but also obviously has the Loyalist carapace armour decoration, wonder if there will be plain versions as well?

I'm guessing the shoulder weapons likely only consist of the extra barrels\front pieces to stick onto the mount with the rest not being modelled, so could see more, Vulcan Mega-bolters for instance would only require a very small piece. edit - Although looking at the plasma blast guns again, when they are rotated, more of the rear of the weapon is visible, so perhaps they are fully modelled.

13th definitely seems like a probable pre-order date, possibly alongside Cursed City?

Though all I really want to know now is, when do we get the 28mm Warmaster!

Tavis75 wrote:
Though all I really want to know now is, when do we get the 28mm Warmaster!

Very unlikely. They stated that the Warlord was already pushing the limits of what was possible with Resin. I'd suspect that the Warmaster would breach that unless they come up with some new resin or method of casting and support. Besides, deployed into a large 30K game, 2 Suzerain Plasma Destructors will pretty much obliterate anything on the board in a single round! They'd be to D-Weapons what D-Weapons are to S10 weapons.

 zedmeister wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
Though all I really want to know now is, when do we get the 28mm Warmaster!

Very unlikely. They stated that the Warlord was already pushing the limits of what was possible with Resin. I'd suspect that the Warmaster would breach that unless they come up with some new resin or method of casting and support. Besides, deployed into a large 30K game, 2 Suzerain Plasma Destructors will pretty much obliterate anything on the board in a single round! They'd be to D-Weapons what D-Weapons are to S10 weapons.

The comment on the FW Facebook page was "That would be a huge model, but who knows what the future might hold.", which I read as "28mm Warmaster Titan officially confirmed".

It seems like it should be possible, the Warlord is pretty sturdy (if it's built well) and the Warmaster is far chunkier, especially around the legs, much bigger surface areas on the joints by the looks of it and generally thicker resin, plus the lower legs look like they almost have some sort of second support at the back coming down to the foot from the knee. The biggest issue would likely be the guns, as they look pretty hefty, though they have some pretty big pieces behind the elbow, so probably well balanced, it would just be a downward pull.

I guess it might be a bit of a struggle to build with superglue and no pinning, but you'd hope for a model like that FW could make the assumption that someone buying it knows what they're doing, considering I would expect it to be upwards of £2,000.

As you say, for actual use in a game it would be fairly impractical but could have a use for a very large game, or for the people who play AT at 28mm scale, but definitely see it as more of a modelling project\display piece, which TBH even the Warlord is really.

Tavis75 wrote:
The comment on the FW Facebook page was "That would be a huge model, but who knows what the future might hold.", which I read as "28mm Warmaster Titan officially confirmed"

That's their standard response to most requests so who knows. Personally, I highly doubt it but happy to be proved wrong.

Good reason to pick up this month's WD. When does it release (the WD, not the Warmaster)?

Really hoping it has the card terminal and cards in the box, dare to dream.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Really hoping it has the card terminal and cards in the box, dare to dream.

Warbringer did, I expect this will too.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Really hoping it has the card terminal and cards in the box, dare to dream.

Warbringer did, I expect this will too.

That's a paper terminal, I want a thick card one or nothing

Tavis75 wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
Though all I really want to know now is, when do we get the 28mm Warmaster!

Very unlikely. They stated that the Warlord was already pushing the limits of what was possible with Resin. I'd suspect that the Warmaster would breach that unless they come up with some new resin or method of casting and support. Besides, deployed into a large 30K game, 2 Suzerain Plasma Destructors will pretty much obliterate anything on the board in a single round! They'd be to D-Weapons what D-Weapons are to S10 weapons.

The comment on the FW Facebook page was "That would be a huge model, but who knows what the future might hold.", which I read as "28mm Warmaster Titan officially confirmed".

It seems like it should be possible, the Warlord is pretty sturdy (if it's built well) and the Warmaster is far chunkier, especially around the legs, much bigger surface areas on the joints by the looks of it and generally thicker resin, plus the lower legs look like they almost have some sort of second support at the back coming down to the foot from the knee. The biggest issue would likely be the guns, as they look pretty hefty, though they have some pretty big pieces behind the elbow, so probably well balanced, it would just be a downward pull.

I guess it might be a bit of a struggle to build with superglue and no pinning, but you'd hope for a model like that FW could make the assumption that someone buying it knows what they're doing, considering I would expect it to be upwards of £2,000.

As you say, for actual use in a game it would be fairly impractical but could have a use for a very large game, or for the people who play AT at 28mm scale, but definitely see it as more of a modelling project\display piece, which TBH even the Warlord is really.

I think the 'limit' is what you can build with superglue. I'm not sure where I saw it, but I seem to recall that the official position is that all of the kits need to be able to be completely built using only items that GW sell. Certainly the warlord instructions tell you to "Use Citadel Superglue to glue the resin pieces together", which gave me a brief chuckle as I reached for the JB Weld. I absolutely would not trust that model with just superglue and no pinning, but built properly with a good epoxy and pins in the major load-bearing joints, it's pretty solid.

I wouldn't read too much into the social media response. It's likely that whoever answered that question has no idea whether the design studio are working on a 28mm version or not. That sounds like their usual "we don't have an answer so say something upbeat about how cool it would be" response.

Looking forward to picking one up (AT scale!) when they release. It's also nice to see the volcano cannon warbringer, though as has been said, seeing the same head design suggests that it's maybe not a new plastic sprue. There's the new Mars Delta pattern head for the full size version that would have made sense to include if they were doing a new sprue. But on the other hand, the Lucius pattern head for the Warlord that they (used to) make in full size never made it to the AT version, so who knows.

 Crablezworth wrote:
Really hoping it has the card terminal and cards in the box, dare to dream.

Based on past experience, they might do another "All the Titans" thick card set that will include one Warmaster along with the others.

 schoon wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:
Really hoping it has the card terminal and cards in the box, dare to dream.

Based on past experience, they might do another "All the Titans" thick card set that will include one Warmaster along with the others.

Or a Heavy Titan set with say 2 warlords 2 warbringers and a warmaster. I'm at least hoping for warmaster and warbringer weapon card decks like the other 3 have. They could even preview a couple new weapon load outs in them as well.

How big are the Titan cards and weapon cards again?

Nurglitch wrote:
How big are the Titan cards and weapon cards again?

Normal Titan cards are roughly A5 size, knights are half that, the Warmaster's is twice as big as a normal Titan card.

 Bellerophon wrote:

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Tavis75 wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

Tavis75 wrote:
Though all I really want to know now is, when do we get the 28mm Warmaster!

Very unlikely. They stated that the Warlord was already pushing the limits of what was possible with Resin. I'd suspect that the Warmaster would breach that unless they come up with some new resin or method of casting and support. Besides, deployed into a large 30K game, 2 Suzerain Plasma Destructors will pretty much obliterate anything on the board in a single round! They'd be to D-Weapons what D-Weapons are to S10 weapons.

The comment on the FW Facebook page was "That would be a huge model, but who knows what the future might hold.", which I read as "28mm Warmaster Titan officially confirmed".

It seems like it should be possible, the Warlord is pretty sturdy (if it's built well) and the Warmaster is far chunkier, especially around the legs, much bigger surface areas on the joints by the looks of it and generally thicker resin, plus the lower legs look like they almost have some sort of second support at the back coming down to the foot from the knee. The biggest issue would likely be the guns, as they look pretty hefty, though they have some pretty big pieces behind the elbow, so probably well balanced, it would just be a downward pull.

I guess it might be a bit of a struggle to build with superglue and no pinning, but you'd hope for a model like that FW could make the assumption that someone buying it knows what they're doing, considering I would expect it to be upwards of £2,000.

As you say, for actual use in a game it would be fairly impractical but could have a use for a very large game, or for the people who play AT at 28mm scale, but definitely see it as more of a modelling project\display piece, which TBH even the Warlord is really.

I think the 'limit' is what you can build with superglue. I'm not sure where I saw it, but I seem to recall that the official position is that all of the kits need to be able to be completely built using only items that GW sell. Certainly the warlord instructions tell you to "Use Citadel Superglue to glue the resin pieces together", which gave me a brief chuckle as I reached for the JB Weld. I absolutely would not trust that model with just superglue and no pinning, but built properly with a good epoxy and pins in the major load-bearing joints, it's pretty solid.

I wouldn't read too much into the social media response. It's likely that whoever answered that question has no idea whether the design studio are working on a 28mm version or not. That sounds like their usual "we don't have an answer so say something upbeat about how cool it would be" response.

Looking forward to picking one up (AT scale!) when they release. It's also nice to see the volcano cannon warbringer, though as has been said, seeing the same head design suggests that it's maybe not a new plastic sprue. There's the new Mars Delta pattern head for the full size version that would have made sense to include if they were doing a new sprue. But on the other hand, the Lucius pattern head for the Warlord that they (used to) make in full size never made it to the AT version, so who knows.

Yeah, you'd have to be a little crazy to just use superglue on a $1500+ resin model. Or just literally never touch the thing once it hits the shelf. Heck I use epoxy on any resin as big or bigger than the FW contemptor--and even then, I use pins for joints.

Once the Warmaster AT kit is released I expect we'll see a bit of a race to a 3D printed copy that can be scaled up to 28 mm. 3D printed plastic is so much better suited for giant kits than solid-cast resin. It's lighter weight, stronger, and more responsive to glues (especially if you're printing in ABS). I wouldn't want to assemble a legit FW Warlord or Warmaster, but I'd certainly be down to print one!

Tavis75 wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
How big are the Titan cards and weapon cards again?

Normal Titan cards are roughly A5 size, knights are half that, the Warmaster's is twice as big as a normal Titan card.

Should be pretty easy to get plastic sleeves for A4-A6 at office supply stores then.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Once the Warmaster AT kit is released I expect we'll see a bit of a race to a 3D printed copy that can be scaled up to 28 mm. 3D printed plastic is so much better suited for giant kits than solid-cast resin. It's lighter weight, stronger, and more responsive to glues (especially if you're printing in ABS). I wouldn't want to assemble a legit FW Warlord or Warmaster, but I'd certainly be down to print one!

Forgeworld design their kits in mind to make them easily scalable for multiple systems. It really wouldn't surprise me to see a 40k Warmaster at some point.

Warmaster in Legio Osedax's colours