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**zedmeister**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Quick question- when is this version of Titanicus set? Last one was Armageddon wasn't it?

Horus Heresy, so all the way back to 1st Edition. Sounds like they are planning Titan Death on Beta Garmon as part of the Heresy series. It'll be in a Black Book format like the current heresy series

**Warhams-77**

Codex Titanicus and some of the 2nd Edition rulebooks are such good material, I hope they will release Apocrypha copies (less blur please) of these soon so they will be in circulation again.

Some art with Titans and infantry

Spoiler:

Even Marines are tiny in comparison

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Detailed game report by Col. Hertford - part 1

http://colhertford.blogspot.de/2017/02/adeptus-titanicus-review-part-1-command.html

Adeptus Titanicus Review - Part 1 - Command Panel

Today's post is about Adeptus Titanicus and the demo game I played in on the Saturday night of the weekender.

Specialist Games were in force at the Horus Heresy Weekender 2017 to discus the new Adeptus Titanicus Rules. I brought my own titan up, the Reaver Titan "Bellator Ferrum" from Legio Tempestus, to join in the battle. The Loyalist team outnumbered the Traitors, so "Bellator Ferrum" joined the traitor faction of Tempestus for the evening. This game was run by James Hewitt, the games designer. This series of post will give a detailed flavour of the rules.

The Command Panel

The command panel is where it is all at in Adeptus Titanicus.

Starting in the top left, we have the order space. The orders on the right go here, but more on orders later.

Command - This is the number the titan has to roll to above to get receive orders.
Ballistic Skill - This is the value you have to roll on a D6 to hit without modifiers.
Speed - This has two values, the first is the normal speed. The second is when you decide to push extra reactor power to the legs.
Weapon Skill - This is the value you have to roll on a D6 to hit in close combat without modifiers.
Manoeuvre - The number of turns a titan can make. This has two values, the first is the normal numbers of turns. The second is when you decide to push extra reactor power to the legs to get additional turns.
Servitor Clades - This is the amount of dice you roll in the repair phase.

The box to the right is the power and shields console. The top line is the amount of output the titans reactor can put out. This is currency to boost actions like moves and turns. Shields can be boosted to allow you to re-rolled failed saves. Some weapons like plasma weapons can be overcharged using power. The largest lasers must be powered up to fire. A warning on this is if you are in the orange or red, you need to roll to see if bad things happen. The bottom line is the number of shields your titan currently has.

The box directly beneath these is the structure console. This has three sections for Head, Body, and Legs. The round circles on the left are the armour. The three linked circles on the left are the structural section. This box is important as its not possible to repair the things in this box.

The boxes at the bottom are the weapons. I didn't get a good look at the Warhound console, but i assume its has two weapons. Arm Weapons are in a 90 degree arc to the front. The Reaver carapace weapon is 360 Degree arc. The Warlord carapace is a fixed forward fire. When weapons are destroyed, the card is flipped over. Additional damage would then be rolled as the damage then can flash back into the Titan.

That is it for today, tune in for another instalment soon.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Always liked the cutie on the right.

**Heartland**

Alpharius wrote:

One of my BIGGEST regrets was selling off all of my old SPACE MARINE and TITAN LEGIONS stuff - they were by far my favorite GW games...

They were splendid games!
Luckily have my stuff stashed away, barring a Mega-Gargant that got trashed for bits. Oh, the Imperator may have had his legs snapped by my three-year old a few years back...the horror...

Must say this new version sounds good, even though the big infantry and tanks battles were the main Epic draw and coolness factor for me.

**zedmeister**

Warhams-77 wrote:

Detailed game report by Col. Hertford - part 1

http://colhertford.blogspot.de/2017/02/adeptus-titanicus-review-part-1-command.html

Ta for that, I'll add it to the OP shortly. Looks like the Warlord (scale Magnificus!) is 385 points + weapons. Reaver is 250. Assuming a 1,500 point game, a fully armed Warlord and 2 Reavers will probably be around 1,000 points. Stick in 2 Warhounds and a bunch Knights to finish off the Maniple. That's assuming 1,500 is the average game size...

**Chairman Aeon**

Here's a pic of 15(18)mm, 8mm and 6mm:
http://www.boki.ee/Miniature_Sculpting/C00004/SP012.jpg

The discussion about why 8mm over 6mm here:
http://perfectsixps.proboards.com/thread/31/boki-wargame-miniatures?page=6

I think when you get to CAD stuff it makes even more of a difference, in a good way.

**Vermis**

zedmeister wrote:Most likely to render old collections out of scale.

Vorian wrote:Changing the scale is completely understandable.

Why bother releasing stuff that lots of your target audience is likely to have lying around in boxes somewhere? It does them absolutely no good to give people rules to play with things they bought off them decades ago.

That last line assumes that they're only trying to sell to people who bought stuff before Specialist Games got flushed, let alone decades ago. How many years ago was that?

And if it's being sold as a boxed starter, containing all the necessary cards 'n' tokens (TBH I'd need to go back and read any details about that) and the models are that good, then titanheads are likely to buy it anyway.

You might as well say, why bother releasing rules that your target audience is likely to have lying around? Y'know, that handful of people who still have a copy of the original AT rules squirrelled away somewhere?

The rumour and inference about GW purposefully hobbling 6mm sellers gets me salty, too. It's like... GW had their chance. Re-releasing in 6mm would be one thing, and innocent enough; but 8mm feels petty, because they only just realised that they shouldn't have given it up years ago. Like someone giving you a hand-me-down car, coming back years later to slash your tyres.

Warhams-77 wrote:Regarding the 8mm. FW scaled the Warlord and other titans to a size they considered good for modelling, painting and playing.

Because previous titans... weren't?

Also if you take your 6mm Epic infantry models and set them near an item that size of the mini-titan below it will look fantastic

Because previous titans... didn't?

Spoiler:

Seriously it does

Http needs an s before I can see it on dakka.

Alpharius wrote:Changing the scale isn't going to stop groups who have a bunch of the old stuff from...using their old stuff with the new rules - if they even need to do that!

True. But when I see people acting as if they couldn't use their old stuff at all, or this:

zedmeister wrote:If it makes you feel any better, I am currently flogging off my 3rd and 4th edition Epic collection to ... make room for this!

The modern Titan's are just too gorgeous to ignore and the new ruleset far too intriguing

Why is it an either/or situation?

I don't mean to go on like a grumpy old grognard. Well, maybe I do. But I also see some leaps of logic - some not so bad, some considerable - that raise my eyebrows. Some arguments I can only put down to justifications for shiny mini syndrome, when, to be honest, shiny mini syndrome is a better justification in itself.

No arguments here if the modern titans are too gorgeous to resist. It's the baggage that comes with them, the 8mm shift, officialitis, and so on.

**Stevefamine**

Can't wait. I'm ready to dump a few hundred into this as soon as I can preorder. I was too young to play Epic and I have no local battletech or net epic players near me

I'm nearly $1000 deep into the my table for DZC (an 8mm resin city). Once we get a full rules leak I'll start playing with battletech models and testing this out. 2017 is going to be unbelievable with the new releases

**zedmeister**

Vermis wrote:

Why is it an either/or situation?

I don't mean to go on like a grumpy old grognard. Well, maybe I do. But I also see some leaps of logic - some not so bad, some considerable - that raise my eyebrows. Some arguments I can only put down to justifications for shiny mini syndrome, when, to be honest, shiny mini syndrome is a better justification in itself. No arguments here if the modern titans are too gorgeous to resist. It's the baggage that comes with them, the 8mm shift, officialitis, and so on.

Well, my drive to flog off my collection comes as part of a wider clear out of my collection, I'm keeping 1st and 2nd edition epic for nostalgia value. 3rd and 4th don't hold that attraction for me and they've all been sat, unassembled in boxes, for years. So, I use the new edition as an excuse to purge old models that, frankly, I'll never paint. I need to be brutal.

**judgedoug**

James Hewitt is the main designer?

I just went from zero interest to a fair amount of interest.

**Alpharius**

1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!

**judgedoug**

There was a reason the E3 Phantom was discontinued shortly after it was released, and the original Phantom and Warlorck titans rereleased for E4 (and we got new awesome Revenant sculpts)

**Elbows**

Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!

I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.

Followed by this similar abomination:

Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.

**judgedoug**

Yeah, I never got those "strutwork" Eldar titans because of how awful the designs were. And I only got three of the E3 Warlords, because I wanted a battlegroup of them, and I own at least three of the E2.5 metal Warlords in addition to the 50 or so plastic beetleback Warlords.

**zedmeister**

Dave Andrews was the sculptor I believe. No idea who produced the original concept art.

I remember selling those off with a larger batch about a year ago. Got next to nothing for them.

**Elbows**

I just realized...the Revenant is wearing Rhino-Skates. That's awesome.

**RiTides**

Yes yes, there's a reason we're all looking forward to updated titans

**krazynadechukr**

They play tested the (8mm) game in 40k scale!

**RiTides**

Were there no knights in the game played during the weekender (with the "smallest" model being a Warhound?) or are they just not visible in that pic?

Stevefamine wrote:
...my table for DZC (an 8mm resin city). Once we get a full rules leak I'll start playing with battletech models and testing this out. 2017 is going to be unbelievable with the new releases

I Love your P&M blog, and that table you're working on is going to be perfect for Adeptus Titanicus

Link to the awesomeness:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/701705.page

**krazynadechukr**

RiTides wrote:
Were there no knights in the game played during the weekender (with the "smallest" model being a Warhound?) or are they just not visible in that pic?

Stevefamine wrote:
...my table for DZC (an 8mm resin city). Once we get a full rules leak I'll start playing with battletech models and testing this out. 2017 is going to be unbelievable with the new releases

I Love your P&M blog, and that table you're working on is going to be perfect for Adeptus Titanicus

Link to the awesomeness:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/701705.page

all I got (off another site)

**notprop**

From the description it sounds like the system is an expansion on the original Adeptus Titanicus rules. This is a good thing.

The scale, meh make he titans nice enough and not too dear and I'm there.

**Silent Puffin?**

Getting excited over the scale is a little bit premature at this stage.

Infantry and vehicles may never be made and even if they are Epic has always been flexible with what '6mm scale' actually means.

Those big datapad things can't be in the actual game surely?

**zedmeister**

Silent Puffin? wrote:

Those big datapad things can't be in the actual game surely?

Doubt it. Reckon they'd do something like the BFG roster pad or some kind of builder using cards and dice.

**Nostromodamus**

Can't wait to rebuild my old Legio Mortis force from back in the day. Game sounds incredible!

**Theophony**

zedmeister wrote:
Silent Puffin? wrote:

Those big datapad things can't be in the actual game surely?

Doubt it. Reckon they'd do something like the BFG roster pad or some kind of builder using cards and dice.

Be cool to have an iPad or other mobile device app to use with the game though

**Vermis**

Elbows wrote:

I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.

Followed by this similar abomination:

Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.

Aitch-tee-tee-pee-essing images...

I guess Epic 40K was the battletech era? As said, I liked the look with the last squared warlord - the first I'd seen, and frankly looking a lot better than the ol' fisher-price beetlebacks. The updated FW beetlebacks will look far, far better too, IMO. But yeah, it's a look that does nothing for eldar.

Though on that note, I didn't think much of the old FW reaver titans, either. They seemed to just square off the original reaver design, without adding any of the aesthetic that made the warlord and warhound work.

**Koppo**

Silent Puffin? wrote:

Those big datapad things can't be in the actual game surely?

Yes, but not that size. The plan is to have holes for pegs to mark damage etc. Many people suggested an iPad app. If they can justify enough purchases then the digital team may do one.

**Dryaktylus**

Elbows wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!

I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.

Spoiler:

Followed by this similar abomination:

Spoiler:

Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.

They were really terrible for Eldar titans, but not that bad per se. Use (and maybe convert) them for Imperium, Necrons or Chaos (Tzeentch or Slaanesh) and they're fine.

**Mr_Rose**

The thing is, with those "Eldar" Titans, the overall shape might have been passable if the "struts" were scribed panel lines instead, but what can never be forgiven are those … those… ugh… pistons, like something a mon-keigh would come up with and think it artful.

**Joyboozer**

Tin data sheet with magnetic cards and tokens would be an industry leading move!