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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if GW didn't do something modular with the building kits, similar to their 40k offerings...

 Koppo wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:


Right from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew (creating this game) at the Horus Heresy event - "Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. "

Let's hope!

Given that the answer to my question in the seminar on the Sunday of "Are knights the smallest size unit you are going to do are are you going to do smaller stuff" was along the lines of "No, knights are definitely the smallest we are going".

Which is perfectly true, for AT.

They just had an eye at the beginning that it could possibly be successful and go from there in the future. Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do.

 zedmeister wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if GW didn't do something modular with the building kits, similar to their 40k offerings...

With the advent of tons of available MDF scenery in 6-10-15mm scales etc. I don't think terrain will be a big issue. You can buy bags of suitable trees for $20 a pop (with 20-30 scaled trees in the bag) etc. I put together a very simple/quick Battletech table easily. I imagine the "starter" box will include plastic sprued buildings similar to the old Epic box.

 Elbows wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if GW didn't do something modular with the building kits, similar to their 40k offerings...

With the advent of tons of available MDF scenery in 6-10-15mm scales etc. I don't think terrain will be a big issue. You can buy bags of suitable trees for $20 a pop (with 20-30 scaled trees in the bag) etc. I put together a very simple/quick Battletech table easily. I imagine the "starter" box will include plastic sprued buildings similar to the old Epic box.

Given the advanced notice, I'm pretty sure a number of MDF scenery producers are gearing up for this so they will have a number of buildings day 1.

 Jimmy Zimms wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The terrain from Space Marine/Titan Legions was actually pretty good - cardstock building walls and plastic roofs?

These ones. Good for the time but pretty janky for what's available in the 6-10mm world now

Why because they're cardstock? Battle Systems has shown that there's plenty of people who don't disqualify terrain on those merits. I know there are going to be mixed feelings across the community but I'd rather cover a table in the 2nd edition buildings than only being able to afford 2'x2' of the newer ones.


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 silent25 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if GW didn't do something modular with the building kits, similar to their 40k offerings...

With the advent of tons of available MDF scenery in 6-10-15mm scales etc. I don't think terrain will be a big issue. You can buy bags of suitable trees for $20 a pop (with 20-30 scaled trees in the bag) etc. I put together a very simple/quick Battletech table easily. I imagine the "starter" box will include plastic sprued buildings similar to the old Epic box.

Given the advanced notice, I'm pretty sure a number of MDF scenery producers are gearing up for this so they will have a number of buildings day 1.

that and there's been loads of secondary market producers for that scale crop up too.. 10mm (dropship commander, horizon wars, etc) is only a tad larger and there are ranges out there suited for that lot.

 MLaw wrote:

 Jimmy Zimms wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
The terrain from Space Marine/Titan Legions was actually pretty good - cardstock building walls and plastic roofs?

These ones. Good for the time but pretty janky for what's available in the 6-10mm world now

Why because they're cardstock? Battle Systems has shown that there's plenty of people who don't disqualify terrain on those merits. I know there are going to be mixed feelings across the community but I'd rather cover a table in the 2nd edition buildings than only being able to afford 2'x2' of the newer ones.

Exactly - And the cardstock ones are ready to go out of the box - little to no painting required!

I'd much rather have more plastic titans, and just buy a pack of a whole bunch of Dropzone Commander cardstock buildings for 30 bucks, which include about a 6x4 table of flat card terrain tiles, too.

The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).

YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.

 Yodhrin wrote:
not 40K enough for me

The purported building designs for the coming box set are not that much more gothic:

The buildings used are Cad onto Foamboard of the modular plastic buildings that will be available to buy to assemble as you desire.

source

 Yodhrin wrote:
how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get

Let's hope the future holds more Lake-Town Houses than Deathworld Forests.

 Manchu wrote:
Let's hope the future holds more Lake-Town Houses than Deathworld Forests.

Words to live by!

And I think that Dropzone cardstock terrain would look great for an Epic 40K battle - especially in the new 8mm scale.

 Alpharius wrote:

Exactly - And the cardstock ones are ready to go out of the box - little to no painting required!

Ha! True that! Hopefully that wasn't coming off as critical of using cardstock. There's MOST DEFINITE a market and place for it! Just that I expect some some boutique quality with those FW prices. You make a good point though about good enough in the box, sell aftermarket.

 Yodhrin wrote:
The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).

YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.

But this guy^^^ There's a gamer after my heart. I'm just one of those idiots that wants his table to like these

Damnit, looking at those, I really regret not stocking up on the old Forgeworld Terrain. The Cathedral and Tank Factory were gorgeous...


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 Yodhrin wrote:
The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).

YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.

Definitely with you there. Especially when it comes to miniatures. I've seen plenty of the 6mm manufacturers such as Exodus Wars (are they still going?), Onslaught and all the rest and while they put out some nice product, it doesn't have the 40k aesthetic. And in this day and age there isn't any new Epic unless you're prepared to go down the illicit route of recasters or turn to the dubious garage casters re-making 40k pieces into Epic scale to get my Epic fix...

I feel like I'll want something more substantial than the DzC buildings - they're not cardstock, but actually foldable paper. I'm not against cardstock totally, but I'd want something more in line with Battle System's offerings.

 Manchu wrote:
Let's hope the future holds more Lake-Town Houses than Deathworld Forests.

I know it's off-topic but I wanted to thank you profusely for saying this.. I had no clue those existed and am already making plans (PLANS I SAY!).

When does one become the other? Is there an ISO standard thickness for when paper -> card?

Hawk Wargames do those card buildings ad PDF downloads, so you can print them out (and scale them if they're the wrong size) and glue them to something more sturdy if need be. A friend of mine printed a load out at 60% size and was gluing them to blocks of foam to use in Epic.

 RiTides wrote:
I feel like I'll want something more substantial than the DzC buildings - they're not cardstock, but actually foldable paper. I'm not against cardstock totally, but I'd want something more in line with Battle System's offerings.

I know it kinda somewhat defeats the purpose but you could back them with old cereal boxes and similar.. OR.. make foamcore inserts.. I've seen similar done for the Infinity buildings to make them more rigid. Lots of great videos on youtube.

That thin card is actually surprisingly rigid; the Infinity buildings will happily hold a new-style TAG.

Scale comes up here often enough... this isn't to say GW will stick with the 8mm scale or that this new AT will consistently apply scale but it should give perspective and give us a sense of how much they deviate from the stated "8mm scale".

Unit------- height of 8mm model -------- Comparable 40k model
Paladin --------- 43mm (~1.7) ------------Marine Centurion (45mm)
Warhound ------76mm (~3) ---------------Contemptor Dreadnought (3")
Reaver ---------127mm (~5) --------------Thanatar (5")
Warlord --------152mm (~6) --------------Knight Paladin (6")
Imperator ------254mm (~10.3) ---------Warhound Titan (10.5")

 Jimmy Zimms wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Exactly - And the cardstock ones are ready to go out of the box - little to no painting required!

Ha! True that! Hopefully that wasn't coming off as critical of using cardstock. There's MOST DEFINITE a market and place for it! Just that I expect some some boutique quality with those FW prices. You make a good point though about good enough in the box, sell aftermarket.

 Yodhrin wrote:
The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).

YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.

But this guy^^^ There's a gamer after my heart. I'm just one of those idiots that wants his table to like these

The thing is.. I don't really see any city buildings on those tables. Most of that isn't anything we would expect (or hope) to see in the starter box. I do offer that 15mm scenery could serve you for those landing pads and similar. Landing pads tend to be pretty scale independent anyway and being large probably won't raise any eyebrows the way being small might. Heck, I think I'm actually about to scour some 15mm and 28mm scenery and see if I can't find some of those generic things that might serve as a stopgap..
EDIT: An immediate hit.. the GW Promethium Pipes.. Which.. I never would have though I would have considered buying.. but I remember playing Final Liberation and having those freakin pipes blow up with my guys next to them all the time.

 Manchu wrote:
The purported building designs for the coming box set are not that much more gothic:

If the terrain is plastic, those buildings look like they could use a panel system similar to the existing 40k Imperial sector kits.

Fingers crossed there will be news about the game at WH fest in May(sooo long ). Until then I hope the clear passion and enthusiasm for AT and the possibility's it represents doesn't get peoples hopes up too high. I'm going to try and stick to assuming resin titans and cardstock terrain, that way anything else should be a pleasant surprise instead of a terrible disappointment

 MLaw wrote:
The thing is.. I don't really see any city buildings on those tables. Most of that isn't anything we would expect (or hope) to see in the starter box. I do offer that 15mm scenery could serve you for those landing pads and similar. Landing pads tend to be pretty scale independent anyway and being large probably won't raise any eyebrows the way being small might. Heck, I think I'm actually about to scour some 15mm and 28mm scenery and see if I can't find some of those generic things that might serve as a stopgap..
EDIT: An immediate hit.. the GW Promethium Pipes.. Which.. I never would have though I would have considered buying.. but I remember playing Final Liberation and having those freakin pipes blow up with my guys next to them all the time.

Something like this is more what I'd love:



Chuck in a few forests, a river and an airbase and I'd be set!

Blotz do some fairly gothic DZC terrain, its relatively cheap as well

 aka_mythos wrote:
Scale comes up here often enough... this isn't to say GW will stick with the 8mm scale or that this new AT will consistently apply scale but it should give perspective and give us a sense of how much they deviate from the stated "8mm scale".

Unit------- height of 8mm model -------- Comparable 40k model
Paladin --------- 43mm (~1.7) ------------Marine Centurion (45mm)
Warhound ------76mm (~3) ---------------Contemptor Dreadnought (3")
Reaver ---------127mm (~5) --------------Thanatar (5")
Warlord --------152mm (~6) --------------Knight Paladin (6")
Imperator ------254mm (~10.3) ---------Warhound Titan (10.5")

If a warlord is the same size of a 40k scale knight, I would expect it to be priced accordingly.

Which means that if we get only two of them in the box set, we are looking at a 250 euro price range. (two warlords, terrain, rulebook).

Very unlikely.

Unless it's a super good deal like imperial knight:renegade, which was 120 pounds, apparently.

It's just occured to me that, if those scales above are accurate, they may make the smaller, more numerous pieces (Warhounds, Knights) in plastics and the bigger, rarer stuff in Resin...

May mean the starter set could be, say 10 Knights and 4 Warhounds?

DId you guys see this terrain ? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2047688210/neo-tyrannis-cityscapes?ref=user_menu

 Yodhrin wrote:
The problem I have with those is the same problem I have with a lot of third party terrain - it's not 40K enough for me. I don't want to battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York, I want something I can use to greeble up a mental hive city table. And I've yet to see MDF terrain that didn't look like just that, layers of MDF glued together(and even if it did exist, it would have to be sold in-country given how extortionate international shipping is for heavy stuff).

YMMV of course, but honestly the plastic terrain bit was the only part of the original rumour I liked, even given how overpriced GW terrain typically is for what you get.

I understand that, I really do, but the situation for me (and likely many players and potential players) is that the choice may really be more like "battle over a cardstock slighty-futuristic-New York" or no battle at all. As much as I want the cooler looking gaming tables pictured already, I'm more likely to be playing with the more attainable cardboard box terrain like the DZC stuff.

You know guys, the Imperium is varied and full of different cultures. I'm sure there will be a setting for EVERY kind of building possible.

Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings, but there's nothing stopping a world from having modern day buildings, just bigger.

 Carnikang wrote:
You know guys, the Imperium is varied and full of different cultures. I'm sure there will be a setting for EVERY kind of building possible.

Hives are usually what we think when we think 40K buildings, but there's nothing stopping a world from having modern day buildings, just bigger.

Just so long as there are skulls.

Vintersorg wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
Scale comes up here often enough... this isn't to say GW will stick with the 8mm scale or that this new AT will consistently apply scale but it should give perspective and give us a sense of how much they deviate from the stated "8mm scale".

Unit------- height of 8mm model -------- Comparable 40k model
Paladin --------- 43mm (~1.7) ------------Marine Centurion (45mm)
Warhound ------76mm (~3) ---------------Contemptor Dreadnought (3")
Reaver ---------127mm (~5) --------------Thanatar (5")
Warlord --------152mm (~6) --------------Knight Paladin (6")
Imperator ------254mm (~10.3) ---------Warhound Titan (10.5")

If a warlord is the same size of a 40k scale knight, I would expect it to be priced accordingly.

Which means that if we get only two of them in the box set, we are looking at a 250 euro price range. (two warlords, terrain, rulebook).

Very unlikely.

Unless it's a super good deal like imperial knight:renegade, which was 120 pounds, apparently.

The original plan was resin Titans sold seperately from a starter kit of just the rulebook and plastic terrain... I think with the successful of Blood Bowl it's put a lot into flux and GW/FW/SG are very likely to have changed its plans. Some say plastic Titans, some say they're smaller than the previously stated 8mm scale... as far as we know they decided to scale Titans down to 6mm for economic reasons.

Going from 6mm -> 8mm was only really appealing from the perspective of infantry and tanks being better scaled. If the game focus ONLY on big walkers I'm happier for them to go down to 6mm or even 4mm.