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They should have started with some of those faction bundles.

I think that's all the factions now. Hepefully we'll get some more details soon.

I'd think so too!

Kickstarter starts in "April", though I don't remember exactly when in April, or if we even know yet?

the real prob i have, is that i have all the models from the original range that i wanted. there's only a few shown so far that i might grow to like. if there's a BRB only pledge i'll back it, if not i' not so sure.

 Mysterio wrote:
I'd think so too!

Kickstarter starts in "April", though I don't remember exactly when in April, or if we even know yet?

Still no fixed date. :(


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 bubber wrote:
the real prob i have, is that i have all the models from the original range that i wanted. there's only a few shown so far that i might grow to like. if there's a BRB only pledge i'll back it, if not i' not so sure.

SD said there would be stretch goals, so you never know what could be added.

That being said, I'm still not jumping in. I want it to do well, but my eyes are firmly on an ongoing game.

I was never able to get any Ophidian models when Confrontation was out so I'm kind of looking forward to that set.

Has that set not been shared yet?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I23OrRhWjpo&feature=youtu.be

That Drune set is nice, some models I actually don't have. Likewise with the Daikini and the Ophidians. I would be pretty happy to pick up those if they look pretty good.

Please please please let the models look good.

I think the problem here is...we won't know how good they'll look until long after we have to front the money, maybe?

I mean, can they possibly have production samples of whatever material they end up using ready before or even during the Kickstarter?

I hope so, given what this is all going to cost, since it is allegedly 'all or nothing' in terms of a pledge with miniatures in it?

Yeah, nobody's explained who SD even is. Won't matter how good the miniatures are if they're not able to fulfill the project.

I thought they're using plastic? If so, then they (most likely) can't show production because the plastic molds haven't been made yet.

ced1106 wrote:
Yeah, nobody's explained who SD even is. Won't matter how good the miniatures are if they're not able to fulfill the project.

I thought they're using plastic? If so, then they (most likely) can't show production because the plastic molds haven't been made yet.

SD is a European tabletop RPG maker. The handle the French editions of Paranoia, Call of Cthulhu and some other stuff including a few boardgames. Pretty sure that's been mentioned earlier in this thread somewhere.

So no minis production experience that I'm aware of but they've been around for a while.

One of the guys from the French forum was told there would be a 'surprise' on Friday.

And now we wait......


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No, wait, my bad, that was *last* friday, which was the teaser. French isn't my first language, sorry :(

New newslatter, pointedly '#1'.

http://www.sans-detour.com/public/Aarklash%20Post/Aarklash%20Post%20%231%20FR.pdf

No new info, though.

 .Mikes. wrote:
New newslatter, pointedly '#1'.

http://www.sans-detour.com/public/Aarklash%20Post/Aarklash%20Post%20%231%20FR.pdf

No new info, though.

The left column basically explains what Confrontation is: skirmish, 5-20 models, 45-2h play time, played on 120x60cm board with some terrain etc.

Right column, first question is about the content of the KS box. So in April, it will go live, and contain the rules, 178 figs over 16 factions, and two "battle sets" which are designed to setup two simultaneous battles (I suppose two 1vs1 games), or a single 4 player game. There will be stretch goals like more figs, some terrain, and stuff to play (I assume tokens or similar things), which would be included in the box, and some other stretch goals will be add-ons.

2nd question is about price, basically we won't know before it launches (it's just a good old "we made sure to get the best price for you guys").

3rd question just explains that the figs will be plastic, with the same explanations we had before (metal is too heavy, resin takes to much time to produce).

All in all, I think the only new thing is the "battle sets", for 2 simultaneous games. I don't I had seen this info before.



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And they actually did the English version too: http://www.sans-detour.com/public/Aarklash%20Post/Aarklash%20Post%20%231%20US.pdf

So its going to be one box with all the figs?

100BostonFan wrote:
So its going to be one box with all the figs?

Yep - they've been pretty consistent with that, but now they also say there are "battle sets", which I am unclear about that being a separate thing or included in the big pledge.

The newsletter states:

"What will the Kickstarter 2018 event box
contain?
At the start of the April Kickstarter, the
Confrontation Classic box will contain:
- The game rules.
- The 16 factions gathered in a single box,
and playable with a pool of points.
- Meaning 178 unique miniatures.
- Two complete Battle sets in order to set
up 2 simultaneous games, or one 4-player
game.
Of course, this box will be enhanced with all
of the stretch goals and bonuses unlocked
during the campaign: miniatures, terrain,
and other game materiel…
And importantly – some stretch goals will
be available separately, as Add-ons. The
details of these stretch goals will be unveiled
during the Kickstarter campaign.
What will be the price of
Confrontation
Classic
?
The price will be unveiled at the launch of
the Kickstarter campaign. We can already
let you know that we’ve sought the best
manufacturers for the best prices. Our goal
is to be able to offer the most complete event
box possible, and to have it be accessible to
the greatest number of beginning, fan, and
collector players as possible.
Will the miniatures be in plastic, resin, or
metal?
The
Confrontation Classic miniatures
will be in plastic. Metal and resin have
been discarded from our thoughts for the
following reasons: metal, due to its weight,
would have dramatically increased the
total of shipping fees. Resin requires longer
production delays than plastic, which is
incompatible with our determination to
deliver this project without an unreasonable
delay. In any case, our goal is to offer quality
game materiel, adapted to the requirements
of modern miniature gaming."

So the battle sets are maps and dice? Maybe soume counters? Sounds like you get 2 in the box

Well, thankfully there is eBay. If the minis turn out ok you could probably make a little money splitting sets on eBay (where I will be buying).

Aren't plastic moulds the most expensive to make? 178 new moulds is a lot since, assuming, each model will have to have one made. I can only assume that they will try to use larger moulds to double up on models or even triple up if possible to try and cut down on the number of unique moulds they'd need.

Makes me concerned that the funding price is going to be very high; which with only a large, high priced single box on offer might shoot themselves in the foot early on.

 Overread wrote:
Aren't plastic moulds the most expensive to make? 178 new moulds is a lot since, assuming, each model will have to have one made. I can only assume that they will try to use larger moulds to double up on models or even triple up if possible to try and cut down on the number of unique moulds they'd need.

Makes me concerned that the funding price is going to be very high; which with only a large, high priced single box on offer might shoot themselves in the foot early on.

They're not going to be injection molds like GW uses. The plastic itself will also be different.

KS date is confrimed

I'll wager this ends up being a $200 base pledge.
If it's less than that I'll be surprised.

If they let you pick one or two factions I bet they would make more money. $200 is steep for some models that you may not want. Maybe check out ebay for the faction I want when the kickstarter is over? We will see.

My concern with this one is that the whole Confrontation thing as presented today is only about the high quality sculpts.

But until I see the PVC versions, I don;t know if they are still high quality sculpts. Every image so far is of one of the original metals, or at least the images I have seen myself, including the group shots.

If they let me just by all the devourers minis for $50 it would be worth the risk. $200 for 178 minis of unknown quality. It won;t be worth the risk.

Can confirm it... everything we have seen until now is at least 8+ years old.

I don't think 'plastic' here means 'HIPs' but more likely 'Boardgame Plastic' aka "PVC".

Happy to be proven wrong, of course.

And I wonder if this is a 'lost in translation' thing, in terms of 'material' here?

I really hope I can just pick up one or two factions - I am not going all in for a bunch of stuff I am never gonna use.

Hanksingle wrote:
I really hope I can just pick up one or two factions - I am not going all in for a bunch of stuff I am never gonna use.

Better reread what they are offering then. It’s one level, 178 minis plus unlocks. No way to buy individual factions.

I hope their decision to make it all-or-nothing doesn't wind up turning off too many potential backers. Guess we will see soon enough.