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DudleyGrim wrote: Hello everyone, my friend is selling me his Death Guard, so I am thinking of trying out some sort of nurgle soup list. I am wondering if any more experienced players could tell me if this would be a good set up for an army? I normally play Necrons, but have been itching to try something different.
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 489pts]: Heavy stubber, Ironstorm Missile Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
So a couple questions on a set up like this, would the Daemons battalion Daemon Prince be able to cast fleshy abundance on the Plagueburst Crawlers? Are the nurglings and Plaguebearers enough units to hold objectives? And lastly, I have never run a Lord of War before, but my friend who plays Ad Mech just added a knight to his army and I just fell in love with the model, but is it TOO much in a 2,000 point army? I want to play something strong, so I have a chance of winning, but I don't want to lose friends or hurt feelings over it.
the list is good, just couple of changes, you can run a poxbringer with miasma, you play just 30 Pb better preserve them and +1 str make the difference, Nurgle Dp with corruption so you can deal with every target easier, i play lately same identical list, -2 to hit Pb annoying nurglings and good mobility/firepower only thing that list miss is a gnarlmaw but not easy to fit in.
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DudleyGrim wrote: Hello everyone, my friend is selling me his Death Guard, so I am thinking of trying out some sort of nurgle soup list. I am wondering if any more experienced players could tell me if this would be a good set up for an army? I normally play Necrons, but have been itching to try something different.
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 489pts]: Heavy stubber, Ironstorm Missile Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
So a couple questions on a set up like this, would the Daemons battalion Daemon Prince be able to cast fleshy abundance on the Plagueburst Crawlers? Are the nurglings and Plaguebearers enough units to hold objectives? And lastly, I have never run a Lord of War before, but my friend who plays Ad Mech just added a knight to his army and I just fell in love with the model, but is it TOO much in a 2,000 point army? I want to play something strong, so I have a chance of winning, but I don't want to lose friends or hurt feelings over it.
the list is good, just couple of changes, you can run a poxbringer with miasma, you play just 30 Pb better preserve them and +1 str make the difference, Nurgle Dp with corruption so you can deal with every target easier, i play lately same identical list, -2 to hit Pb annoying nurglings and good mobility/firepower only thing that list miss is a gnarlmaw but not easy to fit in.
So do you only run 1 Daemon Prince in your list? Or are you suggesting I drop the Scrivener for a Poxbringer? Good to know the army I want to build is strong, but has actual weaknesses so as not to be too OP. Lastly, could you post or PM me your list? I am curious about your set up.
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 473pts]: Heavy stubber
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
Daemon Prince of Nurgle [9 PL, 180pts]: 4. Blades of Putrefaction, 6. Arch-Contaminator, Malefic talon, The Suppurating Plate, Warlord, Wings
+ Heavy Support +
Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy Slugger
Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy Slugger
Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy Slugger
++ Total: [107 PL, 1999pts] ++
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hmmm yes that list IS very similar. Do you ever miss the missile pod on your renegade knight, or do you find the 5 additional plaguebearers well worth it?
Edit - Also noticed you aren't using the icon, after a second glance it really DOES seem kinda unlikely to be useful.
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Do you find that the Daemon princes are helpful to your list? I cant but think that getting wizards who can cast twice would be more useful than a close combat prince plus they would be cheaper. i am running a list similar to yours but trying to justify bringing daemon princes.
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blackmage wrote: i run 2 princes (1 nurgle demons and 1 Dg ) and 1 poxbringer, with just 30 Pb poxbringer with miasma works better
my list is this is very close to your and it s already tournament tested
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 473pts]: Heavy stubber
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
DudleyGrim wrote: hmmm yes that list IS very similar. Do you ever miss the missile pod on your renegade knight, or do you find the 5 additional plaguebearers well worth it?
Edit - Also noticed you aren't using the icon, after a second glance it really DOES seem kinda unlikely to be useful.
i prefer the 5 pb, missiles are useful but that model shot already a lot, icon honestly without sloppity , for 15pts works 1/6 times doesn't worth , if you have spared 15pts of course use it, you can use the stratagem over it
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Blueguy203 wrote: Do you find that the Daemon princes are helpful to your list? I cant but think that getting wizards who can cast twice would be more useful than a close combat prince plus they would be cheaper. i am running a list similar to yours but trying to justify bringing daemon princes.
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blackmage wrote: i run 2 princes (1 nurgle demons and 1 Dg ) and 1 poxbringer, with just 30 Pb poxbringer with miasma works better
my list is this is very close to your and it s already tournament tested
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Armigers [9 PL, 174pts] . Renegade Armiger: Heavy stubber, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight [25 PL, 473pts]: Heavy stubber
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
Daemon Prince of Nurgle [9 PL, 180pts]: 4. Blades of Putrefaction, 6. Arch-Contaminator, Malefic talon, The Suppurating Plate, Warlord, Wings
+ Heavy Support +
Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy Slugger
Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy Slugger
Plagueburst Crawler [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy Slugger
++ Total: [107 PL, 1999pts] ++
well Dp's can hurt many things in CaC sorcerers cant , the corruption+virulent blessing Dp hit on 2+ rerolling 1's and wound anything at 2+ rerolling one (with virulent active), at 5 to wound deal d3+1 damage and at 6 to wound deal d3x2 +1 so he is effective, the 2nd Dp baby sitting PBC until something get in your backfield then you have a decent countercharge, you can play a plaguecaster with arch contaminator but he doesn't give you the CaC power you might need, dp's are one of best chaos units, fast durable hit pretty hard and have psychic powers, if you want have more psychich support you can swap super heavy det with a Ts supreme command (3xDp's or Ahriman and 2 Dp's), but for how that list works i guess 2 Dp's are enough, it's a list which slowly grind the opponent down, forcing him to commit lot of resources trying to remove your units and in the meanwhile something else damage him, 30 pb at -2 to hit are a pain in the ass to remove and they can easily control the middle of the table and you cant ignore them or they score points with objectives. Ik and helverins stay in your backfield throwing lot of quality fire and when needed Ik join the melee , you have 8 flamers to deal with hordes, maybe it is not a super top list but properly played is a real pain to deal with, i made 2nd place in a 30 men tournament, with a 3-0 score, beating nids, de+eldar and in final match another Tz demon+Dg, i missed 1st place for bunch of points.
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DudleyGrim wrote: Yeah I think the extra PBs and Poxwalker might be worth it. Looks like I can get a good start on my list with the start collecting Nurgle Daemons box.
Thank you very much blackmage for letting me pick your brain!
end of september and start of October i have two more tournaments i will let you know what happen. Have fun with Nurgle is a good army to paint and play.
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+ Heavy Support + Defiler Defiler scourge, Reaper autocannon
Plagueburst Crawler 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy Slugger
Plagueburst Crawler 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy Slugger
I've ran similar. Biggest bleh is the Lord of contagion. Take a plaugecaster for about the same cost and so much more useful. Defiler won't win many fans but I've had okay success.
I'm considering adding a small DG detachment to an army, basically because I was going to add a small unit of Tzeentch Flamers as (for fluff reasons) I wanted a small elite powerful flamer-carrying unit in my army.
Instead of the Tzeentch Flamers though, I'm thinking about taking 3x Foul Blightspawn in a Rhino. Possibly with 7 Plague Marines, but I'm actually tempted to stick to just the Blightspawn, as it makes the egg basket a lot cheaper (and so I can use those points to add other units as targets).
However, for a vanguard, I need a HQ. Currently thinking of a Plaguecaster, and putting him in the Rhino with the 2/3 Blightspawn. Makes for a juicy target again, but could be powerful.
Otherwise... I'm not sure. A standard Lord maybe, or a Lord of Contagion (as he can deepstrike, and so wouldn't need to go in the Rhino).
Any thoughts on what might work best? Typhon is just too expensive and won't synergise with much in my list. One of the Lords can be a beatstick. OR stick with a Plaguecaster and go all out on Smite and Mortal Wounds powers.
Edit: Other than Smite, are any of the other DG contagion damage powers worth using? They seem to be aimed at low toughness, horde style units, and both seem to be less efficient than smite anyway... Though as none of the buffing spells are of much use to me, I guess they're still extra MW (along with bonus wound potential from the plaguecaster ability). Makes me have to re-consider if a Plasma+Plaguebringer Lord would be a better option though.
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You could go with the Plague Marines, give them two belchers, and cast Miasma & Vitality on them. That’ll be a lot of auto hits for anything charging, and make them very difficult to sweep with Heavy bolters or massed lasguns
I've ran similar. Biggest bleh is the Lord of contagion. Take a plaugecaster for about the same cost and so much more useful. Defiler won't win many fans but I've had okay success.
I originally had the plaugecaster in there, but figured the Lord of Contagion was more durable. You are probably right about the plaguecaster being more useful.
The defiler is on the list mostly since I only have 2 Plagueburst Crawlers.
If I was too run a Battalion of Nurgle and a Spearhead of Deathguard. Could I use a Nurgle Poxbringer/Epidemius to grant PBCs Loci of Virulence? E.g Epidemius is surrounded by PBCs and LoV would grant PBC mortar weapon D3+1 Dmg on a wound roll of 6+ because they have the Nurgle Demon Keyword
Yes, that's how it works, fall a DG daemons: Daemon Prince, Bloat Drone, Blighthauler, PBC, Defiler, Mortarion and Possessed.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
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What is a pure DG answer to Knights? Or a single big ass knight?
I am running double Daemon Princes with Talons and wings but even though they math out way better than Axe princes, they are still wounding on 5s unless you have Blades on them or are near Mortarion...
Mortarion obviously will chop up a knight but without Warptime I won't be in combat turn 1.
Suggestions?
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I haven't faced them with my Deathguard yet, but I can offer advice from facing them with my Deathwatch: Shooting is only good if you can take away their invuln, so you want a Dark Hereticus Sorcerer (which will give you Warptime too). Melee is great against them. Poxwalkers especially if you can hedge them in, and plague weapon Plague Marines will eat them with the stratagem and Blades (+2 to wound and causing MW on 5's). Deathshrouds should do pretty well also.
Brymm wrote: What is a pure DG answer to Knights? Or a single big ass knight?
I am running double Daemon Princes with Talons and wings but even though they math out way better than Axe princes, they are still wounding on 5s unless you have Blades on them or are near Mortarion...
Mortarion obviously will chop up a knight but without Warptime I won't be in combat turn 1.
Suggestions?
An important question now a days but one without a great answer for pure DG. If you soup chaos has plenty of good options from oblits, to Skullreaver prince, etc.
Pure you have to rely on CC and psychers. Sure, you can try tri-las oreds and entropy cannons but the design of the codex is not focused on ranged anti- tank. If you can pump out mortal wounds with CC with CC plague Marines or blightlords (blades if putrefaction) it can help. Foul blightspawn can put hurt on as well. You can also just try to ignore them and play for objectives which, though unsexy, can still win in bad matchups like knights.
Brymm wrote: What is a pure DG answer to Knights? Or a single big ass knight?
I am running double Daemon Princes with Talons and wings but even though they math out way better than Axe princes, they are still wounding on 5s unless you have Blades on them or are near Mortarion...
Mortarion obviously will chop up a knight but without Warptime I won't be in combat turn 1.
Suggestions?
like single codex they dont have any real answer, most depend then by IK list build, if you face a list like the Nova winner with a mono nurgle you simply cant hurt the castellan, if you play Morty if kills it in 1 turn, if you bring some anti tank you cant rid of 90 infantry men and so on.
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Brymm wrote: What is a pure DG answer to Knights? Or a single big ass knight?
I am running double Daemon Princes with Talons and wings but even though they math out way better than Axe princes, they are still wounding on 5s unless you have Blades on them or are near Mortarion...
Mortarion obviously will chop up a knight but without Warptime I won't be in combat turn 1.
Suggestions?
pure DG is likely to go second against knights, as those buds tend to have fewer deploys - I'd start from here and build around hordes plus chars... deny proper targets, go for board control and objectives. note knights cannot walk over infantry, unless when falling back - so at least Galants and like may be not allowed to do much. just a funny idea - a couple of LoC deep strike in between cultists/poxwalkers and try get into CC to place some hurt
What models do you have available? Giving advice is kind of useless if you don't have the models.
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COLD CASH wrote: Leviathan and contemptors make short work of knights.
They do? What load-outs are you talking about?
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
leviathan with double grav flux bombard is great against IK but only 18". contemptors have c beam cannons and double soulburner+chainclaw two of them easily get down a IK.
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Well, I'm not too sure about your mate's list, but the good news is he brought lascannons and thunderhammers to smash tanks, something DG doesn't really do well. - In general, I would either go for a daemons battalion (plague bearers and nurglings) instead of the DG battalion or drop them completely. Daemons have much better troops than we do, but we have better toys. - I would also find room for one or two foul blightspawns. They can kill almost everything and tend to do better the smaller the game is. - You have few units that benefit from your chaos lord, I would invest the points into some raw power instead of a force multiplier. He also is redundant with your non-winged daemon prince, who provides the same aura and more punch -Try to fit a bloat drone or PBC instead of Plague Drones, they are very hard to remove and deal a lot of damage to infantry - something you will see a lot in 800 point lists.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Well, I'm not too sure about your mate's list, but the good news is he brought lascannons and thunderhammers to smash tanks, something DG doesn't really do well.
- In general, I would either go for a daemons battalion (plague bearers and nurglings) instead of the DG battalion or drop them completely. Daemons have much better troops than we do, but we have better toys.
- I would also find room for one or two foul blightspawns. They can kill almost everything and tend to do better the smaller the game is.
- You have few units that benefit from your chaos lord, I would invest the points into some raw power instead of a force multiplier. He also is redundant with your non-winged daemon prince, who provides the same aura and more punch
-Try to fit a bloat drone or PBC instead of Plague Drones, they are very hard to remove and deal a lot of damage to infantry - something you will see a lot in 800 point lists.
Thanks a lot. I was in a doubt if I should bring PBC/Bloat Drones as the meta is quite anti-knight heavy I suppose. Our plan is to bring as much infantry as possible in order to "waste" our opponents'anti-tank/knight weapons. Will this tactic pay off? Or are PBC that resilient that I should bring one or two anyway?
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