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Chaos' big moment. They did it. 10,000 years, and Abaddon has broken the last road block of the warp!
Cadia has fallen. The Cadians made a valient last stand
Chaos spews forth in to real space!

Imperium: 6 new models (no guard models)
Eldar: 3 new models (and a new faction)

"But you just got Magnus", you may exclaim! But as he has nothing to do with FoC, this has nothing to do with Chaos' big moment.

Yes but for completely different reasons.
In Curse of the Wulfen they introduced/expanded on cool Wolf Lords Egil Ironwolf and Sven Bloodhowl - then killed them both by the end of Cadia.

I'm pretty pissed off that in Chaos' big moment all we got was....

Traitor Legions - to try and bring us on part with other armies.
Magnus - who is pretty much unusable to me as a Nurgle player :(

And just when Traitor Legions sort of brought us on par?

Part 1 - dumps one of the most hilariously cheap SCs that can be taken freely in any Imperial Army and a hilariously resilient Ad-Mech character who we're now going to see sitting in every fething conclave we ever see again.

Part 2 - brings us EW Eldar SCs, a better Avatar as one of them and the new faction which basically lets you pick and mix the best Eldar/DE/Harlequinn bits and then freely act outside the normal turn phase, cause that's what they needed, right?

Part 3 - everyone is screaming Girlyman is unusable and ignoring the fact he costs half Magnus' points and is far, far more durable. 2+/3++, T6, 6 wounds, the ability to get back up, all the command traits, immunity to Ld shenanigans and some bloody brilliant weapons? Unusable? He's better than the equivalent cost of Tyranid Carnifexes. He's better than any Daemon Prince I've seen. 2+/3++ with T6 and 6 wounds. Are. You. Fething. Kidding. Me?

Oh, and hey, new models for a GK character and Cypher who has decided to no longer be a Chaos special character despite being in the CSM book in 2nd ed, 3rd ed, a White Dwarf article for CSM in 4th ed and a dataslate listing his faction as CSM in 6th ed.

That's cool. Neat. Watch as he's suddenly no longer available to CSM.

Egil was dead before that, They breifly fleshed him out in Curse of the Wulfen only to kill him in Wrath of Magnus as Logan's meatshield before he got all empowed by Khorne to banish Magnus.

That's probably an even worse fate than Sven, who was at least able to take some of the forces of chaos down with him and force Abaddon to completely change his plan.



I wouldn't say I'm bitter about Fall of Cadia, just disappointed. It killed off the 2nd or 3rd best Space Wolf character that exists (after Bjorn and maybe Krom) and while Chaos did get a solid win for once rather than the Imperium getting a pyrrhic victory everything that's come from it hasn't really been to my taste.

Also Abaddon not getting a new mini is a travesty! (Unless of course he gets a really good update at a later date in a different campaign).

Also the ridiculousness of some the new new rules for the Special Characters just makes me shake my head.

I have a hunch that we're not done with big releases this year, I'd expect to see more trimvirates. for chaos I'd not be too suprised to see a package with abbaddon, and maybe two new leuitenants.

If this is the gathering storm, i imagine we still havent seen the storm.

If you know what i mean.

Don't forget the rumors that Abaddon will be unceremoniously shot in the head and killed by cypher and chaos will run back to the eye again.

Not really. I'm expecting a full overhaul for 8th edition, because the current CSM codex is terrible. Legions helped some Legions, but still left a lot to be desired. What did disappoint me is Cypher turning his coat.

I'm not keen on the return of the primarchs, personally. They were much better kept in the background and in 30k.

I'm still hoping for a new Abaddon model, if we get a triumvirate. I'm not sure if we get one, but eh. Hope is Tzeentch. Tzeentch is hope.

Have people forgotten there was a whole range of new minis for Thousand Sons..not just Magnus

Those minis were great but playing CSM still feels like the game wants you to lose more than your opponent does.

Untill their current baseline playability is raised everything is just not up to par.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
I'm pretty pissed off that in Chaos' big moment all we got was....

Traitor Legions - to try and bring us on part with other armies.
Magnus - who is pretty much unusable to me as a Nurgle player :(

And just when Traitor Legions sort of brought us on par?

Part 1 - dumps one of the most hilariously cheap SCs that can be taken freely in any Imperial Army and a hilariously resilient Ad-Mech character who we're now going to see sitting in every fething conclave we ever see again.

Part 2 - brings us EW Eldar SCs, a better Avatar as one of them and the new faction which basically lets you pick and mix the best Eldar/DE/Harlequinn bits and then freely act outside the normal turn phase, cause that's what they needed, right?

Part 3 - everyone is screaming Girlyman is unusable and ignoring the fact he costs half Magnus' points and is far, far more durable. 2+/3++, T6, 6 wounds, the ability to get back up, all the command traits, immunity to Ld shenanigans and some bloody brilliant weapons? Unusable? He's better than the equivalent cost of Tyranid Carnifexes. He's better than any Daemon Prince I've seen. 2+/3++ with T6 and 6 wounds. Are. You. Fething. Kidding. Me?

Oh, and hey, new models for a GK character and Cypher who has decided to no longer be a Chaos special character despite being in the CSM book in 2nd ed, 3rd ed, a White Dwarf article for CSM in 4th ed and a dataslate listing his faction as CSM in 6th ed.

That's cool. Neat. Watch as he's suddenly no longer available to CSM.

RG also has FnP

Meh you got more stuff than the average non IoM player got. Just look at those poor Tau players getting no love

There is nothing to be bitter about. They release a product and support their 40k range. What is to dislike? It is a great time for 40k even if your specific faction doesn't get a new special flower.

I am thrilled with his rules. Having all the command traits is VERY COOL, and is a great way to show off just how good he is at leading forces. Any army he's in are going to benefit massively from those command traits. His other rules give a lot of great leadership buffs that are a big deal when leading non-Space Marine forces, which is pretty great. Not to mention, he still gets to bring the D and gets back up half the time, every time.

Clue is in the name.

GATHERING Storm.

Bide your time for when the Storm breaks.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Part 3 - everyone is screaming Girlyman is unusable and ignoring the fact he costs half Magnus' points and is far, far more durable. 2+/3++, T6, 6 wounds, the ability to get back up, all the command traits, immunity to Ld shenanigans and some bloody brilliant weapons? Unusable? He's better than the equivalent cost of Tyranid Carnifexes. He's better than any Daemon Prince I've seen. 2+/3++ with T6 and 6 wounds. Are. You. Fething. Kidding. Me?
.

Carnifex's are terrible for their cost and likely many more (Give them above WS3 already!), and he's comparable to a Daemon Prince on Foot.. Which nobody takes, sure he's actually pretty good for his cost but he's walking at infantry speed either firing his S6 H3 or trying to run to combat. I wouldn't go as far as to say unusable like others, but that I'm not expecting to see him in every list. (Watch as I'm proved wrong weeks later)

Magnus can easily outrun him and fly, has a vast variety of blasty spells and ranged S: D and a variety of other factors

 Rippy wrote:
Chaos' big moment. They did it. 10,000 years, and Abaddon has broken the last road block of the warp!
Cadia has fallen. (no guard models)

Hopefully this means that GW has big plans for guard this year. I was surprised that the Fall of Cadia didn't include anything well...Cadian but hopefully it means a new regiment coming out or plastic support for the older regiments.

Some of my friends have been throwing around the thought of Chaos possibly (hopefully) getting a triumvirate, so there's that possibility.
But I'm with you, there's nothing like just getting into the game then finding out that apparently the army you picked was already mediocre, while it feels like everyone else is getting buffed

All I got out of it was a new Celestine model the rest of my armies got nothing-- so really, be grateful. At least Chaos Whiney Marines got SOMETHING.

So here's how I see it.

This is the Gathering Storm. Things are stirring in the warp as it becomes more unstable and storms are erupting. Choas has made it's first move by taking cadia.

Now the Imperium must prepare itself with a second line of defence it never expected to need. Thats what the Gathering Storm is. People preparing for the worst to come. The imperium gathers its heros while the eldar put into motion plans millennia in the making.

And we have still to see the storm itself only the beginning. We may well see Chaos get it's moment once it consolidates its gains from cadia. The orks come in sensing the size of the fight about to spill. And all that biomass in one spot is a dinner bell to the Tyranids.

And then we reach the eye of the storm, a moment of relative calm when new alliances are forged and old ones broken. The fires of the Damocles gulf subside and the tau come in to avenge those that have lost their lives in pursuit of the greater good. More tomb worlds awaken in response to the vast destruction of those still dormant and the loss of the pylons. Maybe even the strange and mysterious dangers of the ghoul stars show themselves in such a period of turmoil and strife to help or hinder any they come across.

What I'm saying is yes you haven't got what you wanted out of the gathering storm, but this may well be just the beginning of something big, for all the factions we have, and possibly those to come/return when least expected.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Part 3 - everyone is screaming Girlyman is unusable and ignoring the fact he costs half Magnus' points and is far, far more durable. 2+/3++, T6, 6 wounds, the ability to get back up, all the command traits, immunity to Ld shenanigans and some bloody brilliant weapons? Unusable? He's better than the equivalent cost of Tyranid Carnifexes. He's better than any Daemon Prince I've seen. 2+/3++ with T6 and 6 wounds. Are. You. Fething. Kidding. Me?
.

Carnifex's are terrible for their cost and likely many more (Give them above WS3 already!), and he's comparable to a Daemon Prince on Foot.. Which nobody takes, sure he's actually pretty good for his cost but he's walking at infantry speed either firing his S6 H3 or trying to run to combat. I wouldn't go as far as to say unusable like others, but that I'm not expecting to see him in every list. (Watch as I'm proved wrong weeks later)

Magnus can easily outrun him and fly, has a vast variety of blasty spells and ranged S: D and a variety of other factors

The big difference between Girlyman and Magnus is simple.

A 140 point Imperial Unit doesn't completely scrap Girlyman. Culexus assassins. How fun.

 HANZERtank wrote:
So here's how I see it.

This is the Gathering Storm. Things are stirring in the warp as it becomes more unstable and storms are erupting. Choas has made it's first move by taking cadia.

Now the Imperium must prepare itself with a second line of defence it never expected to need. Thats what the Gathering Storm is. People preparing for the worst to come. The imperium gathers its heros while the eldar put into motion plans millennia in the making.

And we have still to see the storm itself only the beginning. We may well see Chaos get it's moment once it consolidates its gains from cadia. The orks come in sensing the size of the fight about to spill. And all that biomass in one spot is a dinner bell to the Tyranids.

And then we reach the eye of the storm, a moment of relative calm when new alliances are forged and old ones broken. The fires of the Damocles gulf subside and the tau come in to avenge those that have lost their lives in pursuit of the greater good. More tomb worlds awaken in response to the vast destruction of those still dormant and the loss of the pylons. Maybe even the strange and mysterious dangers of the ghoul stars show themselves in such a period of turmoil and strife to help or hinder any they come across.

What I'm saying is yes you haven't got what you wanted out of the gathering storm, but this may well be just the beginning of something big, for all the factions we have, and possibly those to come/return when least expected.

totally this, this isn't the end, so much as the beginning. I suspect GW's gonna be spending the rest of the year on thigs

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Egil was dead before that, They breifly fleshed him out in Curse of the Wulfen only to kill him in Wrath of Magnus as Logan's meatshield before he got all empowed by Khorne to banish Magnus.

That's probably an even worse fate than Sven, who was at least able to take some of the forces of chaos down with him and force Abaddon to completely change his plan.



I wouldn't say I'm bitter about Fall of Cadia, just disappointed. It killed off the 2nd or 3rd best Space Wolf character that exists (after Bjorn and maybe Krom) and while Chaos did get a solid win for once rather than the Imperium getting a pyrrhic victory everything that's come from it hasn't really been to my taste.

Also Abaddon not getting a new mini is a travesty! (Unless of course he gets a really good update at a later date in a different campaign).

Also the ridiculousness of some the new new rules for the Special Characters just makes me shake my head.

Bjorn and Krom make your one and two? They are pretty low on my list - unless you count Grandpa Bjorn as canon.
Grandpa Bjorn.
Strifeson.
Razortongue.
Ulrik the Slayer.
Sven.
Egil.
Bjorn.
Ranek.
Ragnar.
Krom.
Just about every other Space Wolf.
Grimnar.

so random thought... Bjorn meeting Gulliman... anyone else think that could be an awesome thing to see?

>Chaos finally advancing - WOOO!
But only two factions get any updates and only one of those gets any buffs and the new special character is not as powerful as all that he is bigged up to be.

>Last stand of the Cadians
But the campaign book features no new Guard units, special rules, abilities, no updates to what is ones of the worst armies in the game, no formations for the Guard either. In the meantime Mechanicus and Marines get brand new toys, and a new formation is released that allows for a combined Imperium army which would be useful if it where not for the fact that noone will ever take Guard in it because Guard units are worse than any other option available. Mechanicus get a new special character, Marines get their mary sue back, Eldar get three super special snowflakes and even more super special snowflake rules, Inquisitors get a cool new character, hell the Imperium in general gets a cool new character (Saint Celestine), but the poor bloody Guard get nothing. De nada.... Oh wait sorry, we do get a change: We lose two more of our rapidly vanishing special characters.

Yeah, feth you too GW.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Also the ridiculousness of some the new new rules for the Special Characters just makes me shake my head.

I'm guessing that they're priming us for the next edition being more like AoS in regards to HQ choices. In AoS heroes can't join units, so they have to be really tough as they can be individually targeted.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Egil was dead before that, They breifly fleshed him out in Curse of the Wulfen only to kill him in Wrath of Magnus as Logan's meatshield before he got all empowed by Khorne to banish Magnus.

That's probably an even worse fate than Sven, who was at least able to take some of the forces of chaos down with him and force Abaddon to completely change his plan.



I wouldn't say I'm bitter about Fall of Cadia, just disappointed. It killed off the 2nd or 3rd best Space Wolf character that exists (after Bjorn and maybe Krom) and while Chaos did get a solid win for once rather than the Imperium getting a pyrrhic victory everything that's come from it hasn't really been to my taste.

Also Abaddon not getting a new mini is a travesty! (Unless of course he gets a really good update at a later date in a different campaign).

Also the ridiculousness of some the new new rules for the Special Characters just makes me shake my head.

Bjorn and Krom make your one and two? They are pretty low on my list - unless you count Grandpa Bjorn as canon.
Grandpa Bjorn.
Strifeson.
Razortongue.
Ulrik the Slayer.
Sven.
Egil.
Bjorn.
Ranek.
Ragnar.
Krom.
Just about every other Space Wolf.
Grimnar.

For me most the other Wolf characters are too wolfy and not Viking enough, though I must admit there are a few names on that list I haven't heard off (guessing they're from Black Library novels?)
Ragnar is just below Sven/Krom for me followed by Egil. No clue where I'd put Ulrik, tbh up until the events of CotW I didn't really have an opinion on him (beside that his old metal models is fething awesome).

BrianDavion wrote:
so random thought... Bjorn meeting Gulliman... anyone else think that could be an awesome thing to see?

Pretty sure Bjorn has already met Gulliman as part of Russ' Honour Guard - not a personal meeting, more of in the same room ten thousand years ago.
Still, after hearing the last 10k years of craziness Papa Smurf is going to want to drink something with enough venom to kill a man and nobody makes booze like the Space Mutts - If they still have the recipie for what Russ drank they could probably put Gulliman back in a coma.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
so random thought... Bjorn meeting Gulliman... anyone else think that could be an awesome thing to see?

Pretty sure Bjorn has already met Gulliman as part of Russ' Honour Guard - not a personal meeting, more of in the same room ten thousand years ago.
Still, after hearing the last 10k years of craziness Papa Smurf is going to want to drink something with enough venom to kill a man and nobody makes booze like the Space Mutts - If they still have the recipie for what Russ drank they could probably put Gulliman back in a coma.

ohh I'm sure they've met just not well.. recently, *has this mental image of Gulliman grabbing Bjorn giving him a hug and saying "SOMEONE I KNOW IS STILL ALIVE!"*

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Egil was dead before that, They breifly fleshed him out in Curse of the Wulfen only to kill him in Wrath of Magnus as Logan's meatshield before he got all empowed by Khorne to banish Magnus.

That's probably an even worse fate than Sven, who was at least able to take some of the forces of chaos down with him and force Abaddon to completely change his plan.



I wouldn't say I'm bitter about Fall of Cadia, just disappointed. It killed off the 2nd or 3rd best Space Wolf character that exists (after Bjorn and maybe Krom) and while Chaos did get a solid win for once rather than the Imperium getting a pyrrhic victory everything that's come from it hasn't really been to my taste.

Also Abaddon not getting a new mini is a travesty! (Unless of course he gets a really good update at a later date in a different campaign).

Also the ridiculousness of some the new new rules for the Special Characters just makes me shake my head.

Bjorn and Krom make your one and two? They are pretty low on my list - unless you count Grandpa Bjorn as canon.
Grandpa Bjorn.
Strifeson.
Razortongue.
Ulrik the Slayer.
Sven.
Egil.
Bjorn.
Ranek.
Ragnar.
Krom.
Just about every other Space Wolf.
Grimnar.

For me most the other Wolf characters are too wolfy and not Viking enough, though I must admit there are a few names on that list I haven't heard off (guessing they're from Black Library novels?)
Ragnar is just below Sven/Krom for me followed by Egil. No clue where I'd put Ulrik, tbh up until the events of CotW I didn't really have an opinion on him (beside that his old metal models is fething awesome).

Granpa Bjorn - Google "Storytime with Grandpa Bjorn"
Strifeson - Lukas the Trickster, The Laughing One, Jackalwolf.
Nalfir Razortongue - Bard, gak Stirrer, possibly of the Wyrd, deceased.
Ranek Icewalker - Wolf Priest who discovered Ragnar Blackmane.