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I pretty much just play it docked too. Ive only used it in tablet mode to make sure it worked and had no dead pixels

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
As above, I am a Wii U owner, and the really cool feature was being able to play the Wii U gamepad while someone else watched TV. That was great.

Switch isn't really an upgrade to the Wii U. The Joycons are gimmicky, and there's no argument that their ergonomics are far worse than a regular controller. The overall design was compromised by the detachable Joycons. I'm not going to be buying one, not for $300.

For the same $300, yeah, we'll be able to get a lot of AAA WiiU games on clearance. Oh, boy.

But new console? I'll be looking at PS / X - something with actual dev support.

Nah, I am calling you on this. Do you have anything to back up these statements or are you attempting to pass opinion as fact? Have you played it for any extended periods of time? You say you do not own it, what is your experience with the console? Your experience with the joycons?

Oh come on. You're seriously saying that a tiny nubbin thing is comparable to a full-size controller in terms of ergonomics? It's self-evident that it is not, in the same way that no dogbone is going to hold a candle to a fighting stick or HOTAS setup.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
fighting stick or HOTAS setup.

No system comes with either of those.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Oh come on. You're seriously saying that a tiny nubbin thing is comparable to a full-size controller in terms of ergonomics? It's self-evident that it is not, in the same way that no dogbone is going to hold a candle to a fighting stick or HOTAS setup.

No, that is not what I said. However these two controllers are highly different from one another, so I know that comparing them is absolutely silly.

I personally have not had a lot of time with them, but I found no issues while using them. I certainly do not have enough experience with them to speak of their ergonomics. Going to ask again, what is your experience with them? Have you had spent any time using the joycons?

Its like I said earlier people are hating it to hate it and found a few vids online that agree with their opinions. Annnnnd the vast majority have no experience with the system at all. While the joycons are hooked up in the controller form its the size of a PS4 controller, I can take a comparison picture if youd like. Ill argue the comfort till Im blue in the face, the joycons are a rock solid comfortable controller even when playing 2 player with them I dont get cramps.


End of debate in my book

End of debate? The problem is people being blinded by the shiny new Nintendo hype. Praising it to heaven whilst it's in all honesty nothing special at all. BotW is a decent to good game and not "BEST GAME EVAR LOLOLOL" like everyone if praising it to be. And the console/handheld (whatever it actually counts as) has it's flaws. Like EVERY launch the past 2 decades.

Oh have you played with those tiny things over 2 hours? I have... my hands are cramping up. it's not made for extended use, like their handhelds are to. It's not about as you say, it being the same size as a PS4 controller. It's about it's ergonomics. It's the same as with the 3DS, 2DS or DSi. I can't play more than 2 hours with it till it starts to cramp.

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
End of debate? The problem is people being blinded by the shiny new Nintendo hype. Praising it to heaven whilst it's in all honesty nothing special at all. BotW is a decent to good game and not "BEST GAME EVAR LOLOLOL" like everyone if praising it to be. And the console/handheld (whatever it actually counts as) has it's flaws. Like EVERY launch the past 2 decades.

Oh have you played with those tiny things over 2 hours? I have... my hands are cramping up. it's not made for extended use, like their handhelds are to. It's not about as you say, it being the same size as a PS4 controller. It's about it's ergonomics. It's the same as with the 3DS, 2DS or DSi. I can't play more than 2 hours with it till it starts to cramp.

Over 2 hours? Holy crap mate I do not think you are suppose to play any game more then a hour max.

I could not imagine holding something for over 2 hours with out getting cramps. Maybe it is more of a take a break every 30 minutes or so to keep your hands from becoming claws.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Over 2 hours? Holy crap mate I do not think you are suppose to play any game more then a hour max.

I could not imagine holding something for over 2 hours with out getting cramps. Maybe it is more of a take a break every 30 minutes or so to keep your hands from becoming claws.

I think 2 hours is really short. I usually spend my evenings/late afternoon gaming. Be it PC, Xbox360/One/Nintendo DS/3DS or Wii U. On weekends it's more. More or less because it's one of my hobbies and I love it. It's usally at least 3 hours of Overwatch a day. Was a bit more last week, spending time playing GR: Wildlands and some Breath of the Wild.

The only thing that mostly cramps up is my butt, but that's mostly my couch's fault. or said joycons for my hands.

I think the Nintendo Switch looks like a lot of fun, but I'm definitely going to wait. A) releasing it with basically BotW as the only good game was a risky move and B) Nintendo really pissed me off, first with the shortages of the Nintendo Classic (which is still sold out over 4 months later) and now the shortages of the Switch. Either Nintendo is intentionally shorting people or they're really, really bad at planning out sales

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Over 2 hours? Holy crap mate I do not think you are suppose to play any game more then a hour max.

I could not imagine holding something for over 2 hours with out getting cramps. Maybe it is more of a take a break every 30 minutes or so to keep your hands from becoming claws.

I think 2 hours is really short. I usually spend my evenings/late afternoon gaming. Be it PC, Xbox360/One/Nintendo DS/3DS or Wii U. On weekends it's more. More or less because it's one of my hobbies and I love it. It's usally at least 3 hours of Overwatch a day. Was a bit more last week, spending time playing GR: Wildlands and some Breath of the Wild.

The only thing that mostly cramps up is my butt, but that's mostly my couch's fault. or said joycons for my hands.

It is recommended by video game companies and doctors that every hour you take a 15 minute break to stretch in order to avoid cramping and development of carpal tunnel. So I mean, your hand cramping after 2 hours is nothing special.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Over 2 hours? Holy crap mate I do not think you are suppose to play any game more then a hour max.

No, I've played JRPGs and fighting games for *many* hours on end. Classic 90s JPRGs are *massive* time sinks if you want to finish them and get the alternate / bonus endings. The arcade sticks I bought were great for that kind of extended play, no problems. If you could only play FFVII for an hour at a time, you'd never finish the game.

My kids want one, but nothing I read about it is stellar. From complaints about the small controller (for me), to small storage size, scratching screens and only Zelda available. Never mind actually finding one.

With 3 kids, I'd have to buy another controller, so in the end it would be a $450 investment. Just not worth it. Maybe when Mario comes out...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Over 2 hours? Holy crap mate I do not think you are suppose to play any game more then a hour max.

No, I've played JRPGs and fighting games for *many* hours on end. Classic 90s JPRGs are *massive* time sinks if you want to finish them and get the alternate / bonus endings. The arcade sticks I bought were great for that kind of extended play, no problems. If you could only play FFVII for an hour at a time, you'd never finish the game.

I disagree, with the caveat that the newly ported versions of the PC remake, allowing not only the move at 3x Speed, "God Mode" at will, and disable random encounters have allowed me to breeze through FF7 about an hour at a time. Even just using the move at 3x speed has dramatically improved my play time and my enjoyment of the game (hard to replay 90's JRPGs when you have a full time job and kids).

But yes, going back to John's original point, some games were designed to be played for hours at a time.


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SuperNewb wrote:
My kids want one, but nothing I read about it is stellar. From complaints about the small controller (for me), to small storage size, scratching screens and only Zelda available. Never mind actually finding one.

With 3 kids, I'd have to buy another controller, so in the end it would be a $450 investment. Just not worth it. Maybe when Mario comes out...

I'd consider picking up a WiiU. Tons of great multiplayer games and with the Switch out, it should drop hard in price.

SuperNewb wrote:
With 3 kids, I'd have to buy another controller, so in the end it would be a $450 investment. Just not worth it. Maybe when Mario comes out...

OTOH, if you're travelling it, why not just get a Wii U with Mario Kart and Smash right now? Much cheaper!
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 jreilly89 wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Over 2 hours? Holy crap mate I do not think you are suppose to play any game more then a hour max.

No, I've played JRPGs and fighting games for *many* hours on end. Classic 90s JPRGs are *massive* time sinks if you want to finish them and get the alternate / bonus endings. The arcade sticks I bought were great for that kind of extended play, no problems. If you could only play FFVII for an hour at a time, you'd never finish the game.

I disagree, with the caveat that the newly ported versions of the PC remake, allowing not only the move at 3x Speed, "God Mode" at will, and disable random encounters have allowed me to breeze through FF7 about an hour at a time. Even just using the move at 3x speed has dramatically improved my play time and my enjoyment of the game (hard to replay 90's JRPGs when you have a full time job and kids).

3x Speed. God Mode. No Randoms. That's basically a completely different game than what I played on the original PS.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Over 2 hours? Holy crap mate I do not think you are suppose to play any game more then a hour max.

No, I've played JRPGs and fighting games for *many* hours on end. Classic 90s JPRGs are *massive* time sinks if you want to finish them and get the alternate / bonus endings. The arcade sticks I bought were great for that kind of extended play, no problems. If you could only play FFVII for an hour at a time, you'd never finish the game.

Ya I was never too much into those type of games. I was more into things like bomberman, megaman and Mac and joe things you bet in like 30 minutes max.

I could never get into final fantasy and that stuff what killed it for me was the game where the main girl had that fro thing and the big sword. I just kept asking why she was sooo tiny and had such a big sword. There was a black guy with a gun for a arm which was cool tho.


Oh oh and the game I spent the most time on ever twisted metal 2 omg that was an amazing game, axel by far was the best his ramming was amazing ram then special lol.

The switch should along with any Nintendo system release with 3 main games. Mario, man game (mega/pac/ ect) and Zelda. Those are the games that kept Nintendo afloat for years they should always be added to a bundle at release.


Not sure if it is repeated but Nintendo several months ago demanded all roms be removed from most sites. Like cool rom.com and other sites I know of, so expect lot of rehash snes games and nes games.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

SuperNewb wrote:
With 3 kids, I'd have to buy another controller, so in the end it would be a $450 investment. Just not worth it. Maybe when Mario comes out...

OTOH, if you're travelling it, why not just get a Wii U with Mario Kart and Smash right now? Much cheaper!
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 jreilly89 wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Over 2 hours? Holy crap mate I do not think you are suppose to play any game more then a hour max.

No, I've played JRPGs and fighting games for *many* hours on end. Classic 90s JPRGs are *massive* time sinks if you want to finish them and get the alternate / bonus endings. The arcade sticks I bought were great for that kind of extended play, no problems. If you could only play FFVII for an hour at a time, you'd never finish the game.

I disagree, with the caveat that the newly ported versions of the PC remake, allowing not only the move at 3x Speed, "God Mode" at will, and disable random encounters have allowed me to breeze through FF7 about an hour at a time. Even just using the move at 3x speed has dramatically improved my play time and my enjoyment of the game (hard to replay 90's JRPGs when you have a full time job and kids).

3x Speed. God Mode. No Randoms. That's basically a completely different game than what I played on the original PS.

It totally is. That being said, I love the 3x speed, but turn it off for bosses and it's auto-ignored for cinematic cutscenes. I rarely use the God Mode and the No Randoms, unless it's I'm exploring for an item/doing a jump section.

So some cool and funny moments in Zelda Ive had.

I was climbing around a forest and found a sleeping Hinox. The damn thing was like 20ft tall and ripped trees out of the ground and tossed them at me. That was fun to fight.

I was fighting against an assassin, the first one I went against. Not only that but during the fight a lightning storm broke out. So Im dodging his attacks learning his patterns, it was so cool with that lightning storm raging. He hit me a few times and knocked me down. While I was on the ground he raised his weapon slowly to strike me down, rain pouring dowb and then POW lightning strikes his weapon and kills him instantly.

I was wandering around and stumbled on a nest of Guardians. The lasers came from all around me and so I ran for my life. They were blowing up trees and barrels everywhere as I ducked dipped dived and dodged them. I ran out of ground and jumped off a cliff. While gliding away they were still blasting away at me. It was rad.


Im still really impressed with just the sheer size of this game. Its friggin MASSIVE. I know I have more awesome and fun stories but those were the first few that popped in mind

Apperantly the creator of Zelda botw said it can be beaten in 15 minutes..... I wonder if anyone did yet.

Having played it that doesn't seem likely. I imagine if one knows exactly where to go and what to do they could probably finish it somewhat quickly but fifteen minutes doesn't seem reasonable.

Really in love with the thing. Zelda is a fantastic game for sure, but the system itself fulfills a lot of the promises the Wii U failed to manage.

No small part of that is because the system is really an extremely nice portable that happens to be easy to project onto a TV. In a lot of ways it feels similar to when I picked up the Wii and Twilight Princess right up until you undock the thing. It's nothing like the Wii U's extermely disappointing controller, which lacked the screen quality or tether range to work as advertised.

It feels absolutely fantastic to be sitting and playing and have my daughter want to use the TV, pick the thing up from the dock and go to my office seamlessly. My big frustration with gaming lately has just been how much startup and update time everything has when mixed with how much I have to play in short spurts, and the system comes dangerously close to the GBA days where I would go throughout my day without really ever stopping my game.

The system isn't perfect but its extremely versatile and convenient. I don't think its enough to change the course of the industry or anything, but its definitely what I want these days the the other systems on the market.

 Ahtman wrote:
Having played it that doesn't seem likely. I imagine if one knows exactly where to go and what to do they could probably finish it somewhat quickly but fifteen minutes doesn't seem reasonable.

Probably an easter egg. Far Cry 4 had a similar trick, where if you follow the villain, obey his demands, you essentially complete your character's objective and get an alternate ending.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/11/17/far-cry-4-has-a-brilliant-alternate-ending-that-makes-the-game-last-15-minutes/#65b43b802cbc

You can jump immediately to the final 5 minutes of a film, or turn to the last pages of a book as well.

I really, really wonder what the hell is going on with some people

I'm honestly amazed the Switch has been selling well, I was totally expecting it to bomb as hard as the Wii U. I used to love Nintendo right up until the Wii, they haven't put out a real console since 2001. At this point I kinda wish they'd just do handhelds and third party games for Sony and Microsoft, but they seem able to survive just fine with these gimmick devices.

It could be that you're not the target demographic creeping-deth87..

Don't get me wrong, am well into my games, have a PC and PS4 and really looking forward to the new Mass Effect etc.

But, having games on the move, party stuff, being easy to use and convenient to use in different ways, think just add some of the Nintendo popularity and it doesn't surprise me at all that it is selling well.

So yes, not perhaps a true 'gaming console' (and people seem to love to scoff that it won't be able to play some of the newer, more hardware intensive games) but I think it has the potential to appeal to a lot wider demographic.

Unless one only uses 4chan's /v/ board for news it shouldn't be a surprise that the Switch sold well. Not everything is for everyone but honestly it shouldn't be a surprise.

Hell the Wii U didn't 'bomb', it just wasn't the number one system.

 Ahtman wrote:
Unless one only uses 4chan's /v/ board for news it shouldn't be a surprise that the Switch sold well. Not everything is for everyone but honestly it shouldn't be a surprise.

Hell the Wii U didn't 'bomb', it just wasn't the number one system.

The Wii U only sold 13.5 million units and lasted less than 4 and a half years before Nintendo put out another console. It absolutely bombed.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Unless one only uses 4chan's /v/ board for news it shouldn't be a surprise that the Switch sold well. Not everything is for everyone but honestly it shouldn't be a surprise.

Hell the Wii U didn't 'bomb', it just wasn't the number one system.

The Wii U only sold 13.5 million units and lasted less than 4 and a half years before Nintendo put out another console. It absolutely bombed.

This makes me think you don't know what "bombed" means. I never said it was amazingly successful but it sure didn't bomb either, even by your own numbers. There are other systems that did far worse and lasted even shorter time periods. It was a mediocre system that did mediocre sales, but that isn't "bombing"

That to me makes me think you would only consider stuff like the Dreamcast, which took Sega out of the home console business entirely, as bombing. That's setting the bar pretty high. The Wii U sold very few units compared to its competitors and had an incredibly short life cycle. People can make of that whatever they want, but it absolutely did not do well. It really isn't a stretch to say that it bombed.

I didn't realize that saying the word Nintendo triggers something in peoples brains. I made this thread to talk with others about Nintendo's new console and share in our experiences with its games. Apparently thats just impossible to achieve around here. Ill just ask a MOD to close this thread and instead find a forum that actually wants to chat about this topic rather than complain and piss and moan about Nintendo. Real classy DAKKA