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Marxist artist wrote:What is the aos news?

Dez wrote:
Via GAMA:

New Age of Sigmar Starter Box. Comes with the existing Starter Set contents minus some heroes (Dracoth, Lord of Khorne, not sure what else). Comes with Gold and Red sprues, which looks like it would be easy to hit with a wash and call it tabletop. Comes with a vinyl 2 sided mat based on the Realm of Battle Board, and the box turns into a big terrain piece

That's cool, another thing to get people into the game is always good!

Putting some wash on a red minitaure is now what passes for tabletop standard?

 streetsamurai wrote:
Putting some wash on a red minitaure is now what passes for tabletop standard?

If you're brand new to minis games, you don't even need the wash.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So far? New Starter Set, complete with battlemat, and the inside of the box doubles as a piece of terrain - so literally everything you need to play.

That "inside of the box doubles as a piece of terrain" thing could be great if it's well executed.

@Vermis no, fair enough, it isn't a catch-all, playing discontinued games requires more effort than current games does and if you haven't got a big gaming group around you or some gaming friends could be a real nightmare

@VictorVonTzeentch dude, no!

 streetsamurai wrote:
Putting some wash on a red minitaure is now what passes for tabletop standard?

Putting some wash on a red miniature has 'passed' for tabletop standard for decades.

You may personally prefer a higher standard, but many players just want to be able to easily identify which models are which.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Putting some wash on a red minitaure is now what passes for tabletop standard?

This is clearly aimed at new/ young players and designed to be as easy to get up and playing as possible. Looks like an AOS equivalent of the battle for vedros stuff. With the slightly limited range of minis, my guess is that they are aiming for £50 or less for the set.
By the way the rep said this is coming in summer but shadow war is coming very soon. My guess is that we will see it in April.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Putting some wash on a red minitaure is now what passes for tabletop standard?

It looks better than it sounds.

streetsamurai wrote:Putting some wash on a red minitaure is now what passes for tabletop standard?

Different standards for different groups, who knew?

Bull0 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So far? New Starter Set, complete with battlemat, and the inside of the box doubles as a piece of terrain - so literally everything you need to play.

That "inside of the box doubles as a piece of terrain" thing could be great if it's well executed.

@Vermis no, fair enough, it isn't a catch-all, playing discontinued games requires more effort than current games does and if you haven't got a big gaming group around you or some gaming friends could be a real nightmare

@VictorVonTzeentch dude, no!

Is too late Comrade, they have all ready been in formed. You will be processed for your heresies.

Isn't tabletop standard used to describe a certain quality of painting where you need to at least have the basic components painted, and add a few shades? I've never seen anyone refer to a wash on a red mini tabletop standard

 streetsamurai wrote:
Isn't tabletop standard used to describe a certain quality of painting where you need to at least have the basic components painted, and add a few shades? I've never seen anyone refer to a wash on a red mini tabletop standard

Then you've never played in a warmachine community.
You'd be fortunate to see such standards.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Isn't tabletop standard used to describe a certain quality of painting where you need to at least have the basic components painted, and add a few shades? I've never seen anyone refer to a wash on a red mini tabletop standard

I don't think there's an "official" definition but I guess the best common definition for tabletop standard comes from tournaments, which is generally all parts of the model painted, at least 3 different colours, and based. Washing a red model would not meet that.

I don't remember the original Age of Sigmar starter set including the guys with wings, which are clearly in the picture of the new starter set contents.

They're in there

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They're in there

You're right. I just mis-remembered. I thought those guys came out after the starter set. Just checked on the GW site and they were in there. Man, that's a pretty packed starter set.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Isn't tabletop standard used to describe a certain quality of painting where you need to at least have the basic components painted, and add a few shades? I've never seen anyone refer to a wash on a red mini tabletop standard

I think you're conflating it with the common "3 colour minimum" standard often imposed in tournaments, so people specifically can't paint a model all one colour and maybe throw a wash on.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Isn't tabletop standard used to describe a certain quality of painting where you need to at least have the basic components painted, and add a few shades? I've never seen anyone refer to a wash on a red mini tabletop standard

I think you're conflating it with the common "3 colour minimum" standard often imposed in tournaments, so people specifically can't paint a model all one colour and maybe throw a wash on.

Indeed. 'Tabletop Standard' is, quite literally, just the standard at which you're happy putting the model on the table and using it.

It's not a universal benchmark written into the underlying bedrock of the universe.


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 Bull0 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So far? New Starter Set, complete with battlemat, and the inside of the box doubles as a piece of terrain - so literally everything you need to play.

That "inside of the box doubles as a piece of terrain" thing could be great if it's well executed.

I want to believe that it will be cool, but find it difficult to expect more than something that looks like a box with some pretty detail printed on it.

It does indeed look just like that - but way back when I first started, that's what much of my terrain was.

Seems this is an attempt to make a full 'game in a box'. Double sided mat, some form of terrain, fair collection of models.

That's got an appeal to anyone starting the hobby, no?

AOS starter pics.

I'm thinking that's gonna be a 'Battle for Vedros' type release - so aimed at non-hobby store outlets.

I've got no evidence of that - just yet another supposition from yours truly.

Both look like fantastic ideas. That terrain piece for Nu-Munda looks amazing

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

That's got an appeal to anyone starting the hobby, no?

Maybe?

If it's as well as actual terrain. then sure, it's a fun extra that you can choose to use or not. If it's all the terrain you get, then no... that would have been awesome in 1996. It's dated and cringe-worthy by today's standards, given how much awesome terrain there is out there in so many different mediums.



Edit - ninjad by the pic. So I'll say at least that it does look pretty... it's just rather boring as the sole terrain piece in the box. A sprue of scatter terrain thrown in with it, and it would have been awesome.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Just play Necromunda if you want to play Necromunda.

Just play Warhammer Fantasy Battles if you want to play Warhammer Fantasy Battles.

See how that doesn't work?

The only thing wrong with your retort is that WHFB is terrible and had been terrible for years before being axed, so why would I want to?

I still play Necromunda, I still play BFG. It's not GW's responsibility that some players need to be spoon fed what they're "allowed" to play. And these games were never the pick-up games with strangers type, so that argument is also out.

Please be plastic!

Although do wonder if its more like vein of Battle Systems.

Poor scouts though. First Nids, and now Orks!

After seeing the picture I'm leaning heavily toward Shadow Wars being another clandestine sale-item by GW (much in the way that the Gangs of Comorragh(?) etc. are). I think it's a way to get rid of plastic Orks, and Scouts and introduce a new plastic terrain piece. I wouldn't get too intrigued by the "rules for 12 factions" bit because it's not in keeping with GW's recent game releases. I suspect even the 12 factions may be limited to one type of model per faction (i.e. Eldar Scouts, Tyranid Genestealers, etc.).

While GW's recent game releases may be fun or well priced they haven't approached the "depth" that was common with the old Specialist Games- the depth was what kept people playing games like WHQ, Mordheim, Necromunda etc. I still play all of those. Now don't take this as a complaint or a negative post - I'm just calling it as I see it.

WHQ: Silver Tower did not have anywhere near the content/depth of the original Warhammer Quest. Gangs of Comorragh, Betrayal at Calth, Burning of Prospero etc. are all really just games tied to clandestine discounts on miniatures (a damn nice discount too!). This box screams $60 to me if that's all the terrain you get (which for the record is about 1/4 of the terrain you got in the boxed Necromunda game back in the day.

 insaniak wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

That's got an appeal to anyone starting the hobby, no?

Maybe?

If it's as well as actual terrain. then sure, it's a fun extra that you can choose to use or not. If it's all the terrain you get, then no... that would have been awesome in 1996. It's dated and cringe-worthy by today's standards, given how much awesome terrain there is out there in so many different mediums.



Edit - ninjad by the pic. So I'll say at least that it does look pretty... it's just rather boring as the sole terrain piece in the box. A sprue of scatter terrain thrown in with it, and it would have been awesome.

Depends on the price point - and if as I suspect this is a Battle for Vedros equivalent, quite up to the job of showing the basics of the hobby. I mean, you'd want to give newbies enough to play with straight out the box - but also encourage further purchases.


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 Elbows wrote:
After seeing the picture I'm leaning heavily toward Shadow Wars being another clandestine sale-item by GW (much in the way that the Gangs of Comorragh(?) etc. are). I think it's a way to get rid of plastic Orks, and Scouts and introduce a new plastic terrain piece. I wouldn't get too intrigued by the "rules for 12 factions" bit because it's not in keeping with GW's recent game releases. I suspect even the 12 factions may be limited to one type of model per faction (i.e. Eldar Scouts, Tyranid Genestealers, etc.).

While GW's recent game releases may be fun or well priced they haven't approached the "depth" that was common with the old Specialist Games- the depth was what kept people playing games like WHQ, Mordheim, Necromunda etc. I still play all of those. Now don't take this as a complaint or a negative post - I'm just calling it as I see it.

WHQ: Silver Tower did not have anywhere near the content/depth of the original Warhammer Quest. Gangs of Comorragh, Betrayal at Calth, Burning of Prospero etc. are all really just games tied to clandestine discounts on miniatures (a damn nice discount too!). This box screams $60 to me if that's all the terrain you get (which for the record is about 1/4 of the terrain you got in the boxed Necromunda game back in the day.

They've said it has rules for 12 factions. In the video. They've also said it uses the Necromunda rules set. In the video.

Chikout wrote:
AOS starter pics.

So, if I undestand properly that terrain is actually the box of the game. That's actually pretty clever.

I doubt it'll be that cheap. The terrain alone would be worth that unless it's made of cardboard. It looks plastic though.

I hope you're right though. Only interest I have in it is the terrain piece (only if it's plastic) but I'm not going to spend $100 for it.

 Bull0 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Isn't tabletop standard used to describe a certain quality of painting where you need to at least have the basic components painted, and add a few shades? I've never seen anyone refer to a wash on a red mini tabletop standard

I don't think there's an "official" definition but I guess the best common definition for tabletop standard comes from tournaments, which is generally all parts of the model painted, at least 3 different colours, and based. Washing a red model would not meet that.

I've seen plenty sprayed a bit in chaos black and skull white over grey plastic with no care as to where the spray went to 'technically' meet the three colour requirement (although i'd argue you'd need a 3rd spay paint too personally even if you were being that half arsed)

 Elbows wrote:
After seeing the picture I'm leaning heavily toward Shadow Wars being another clandestine sale-item by GW (much in the way that the Gangs of Comorragh(?) etc. are). I think it's a way to get rid of plastic Orks, and Scouts and introduce a new plastic terrain piece. I wouldn't get too intrigued by the "rules for 12 factions" bit because it's not in keeping with GW's recent game releases. I suspect even the 12 factions may be limited to one type of model per faction (i.e. Eldar Scouts, Tyranid Genestealers, etc.).

While GW's recent game releases may be fun or well priced they haven't approached the "depth" that was common with the old Specialist Games- the depth was what kept people playing games like WHQ, Mordheim, Necromunda etc. I still play all of those. Now don't take this as a complaint or a negative post - I'm just calling it as I see it.

WHQ: Silver Tower did not have anywhere near the content/depth of the original Warhammer Quest. Gangs of Comorragh, Betrayal at Calth, Burning of Prospero etc. are all really just games tied to clandestine discounts on miniatures (a damn nice discount too!). This box screams $60 to me if that's all the terrain you get (which for the record is about 1/4 of the terrain you got in the boxed Necromunda game back in the day.

Remember also that this is all being shown at a games industry trade show. None of these boxed sets are targeted at people with 5,000pt armies. They're quite clearly focused on bringing in new blood by lowering the barrier of entry to the hobby - something GW have done poorly at for quite a few years. There's nothing 'clandestine' about making existing products cheaper in a package aimed at new players.

The new Specialist Games team is small and has barely been around for a year. If it's depth you want, give them time to deliver Adeptus Titanicus, to keep expanding on Blood Bowl, to unveil a proper Necromunda and various other larger projects. They're not going to resurrect all the classics overnight.