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2017/03/16 03:17:20
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
You do realize there is nothing stopping you from using Steel Legion Guardsmen
They link to the Cadian Guardsmen because they are the 'Default' Guard Models. I don't believe they even still sell Steel legion
If you are able to get your hands on the old steel legion minis you will be free to use them.
The reason it isn't 'gang' focused here is because Armageddon is a active warzone. this isn't about young men trying to bully their way to top dog. These are small units trying to give their greater campaign an advantage
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2017/03/16 03:37:12
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
Commissar Benny wrote: ... IG players have the option of using a "CADIAN infantry squad". Its a complete slap in the face to Steel Legion players.
Stop being so dramatic. It's not a slap in the face of Steel Legion players (all 4 of you).
1. Cadian Infantry Squad is the name of the product. Of course they're going to link with the product using the product name. 2. Guardsmen are Guardsmen. It doesn't matter whether you're using a Vostroyan, a Mordian, a Tallarn or a Cadian. They're just dudes in Flak Armour with Lasguns.
And what even is a 'Steel Legion player'? Someone who uses Steel Legion miniatures? How is your army any different if someone used the exact same composition (weapon options, squads, etc.) but used Valhallan miniatures? Or Death Korps miniatures? What is Steel Legion beyond the just the choice of Guardsmen miniatures?
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GodDamUser wrote: The reason it isn't 'gang' focused here is because Armageddon is a active warzone. this isn't about young men trying to bully their way to top dog. There are small units trying to give the greater campaign an advantage
The hive gangs of Armageddon have always done the most fighting in the undercities of Armageddon. Not by choice but out of necessity. The fighting on Armageddon is so bad that the gangs would get conscripted or even volunteer to help fight the ork menace because if they did not, they would all die anyways.
Commissar Benny wrote: ... IG players have the option of using a "CADIAN infantry squad". Its a complete slap in the face to Steel Legion players.
Stop being so dramatic. It's not a slap in the face of Steel Legion players (all 4 of you).
1. Cadian Infantry Squad is the name of the product. Of course they're going to link with the product using the product name.
2. Guardsmen are Guardsmen. It doesn't matter whether you're using a Vostroyan, a Mordian, a Tallarn or a Cadian. They're just dudes in Flak Armour with Lasguns.
And what even is a 'Steel Legion player'? Someone who uses Steel Legion miniatures? How is your army any different if someone used the exact same composition (weapon options, squads, etc.) but used Valhallan miniatures? Or Death Korps miniatures? What is Steel Legion beyond the just the choice of Guardsmen miniatures?
Dramatic? If space marines players were told tomorrow that going forward every single campaign would feature Blood Angels, and nothing else how do you think space marine players who use other chapters would feel? Battle on Ultramar? Blood Angels. Battle on Fenris? Blood Angels. Battle on Titan? Blood Angels. The space marine community would collectively lose their minds.
What is a Steel Legion player? Someone who collects Steel Legion and has their entire army centered around that thematically. People are drawn to specific regiments for the same reason different players choose different space marine chapters. They are different. While all IG regiments rules have been streamlined to be homogeneous over the years, it wasn't always so or by our choice.
2017/03/16 04:03:37
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
GodDamUser wrote: The reason it isn't 'gang' focused here is because Armageddon is a active warzone. this isn't about young men trying to bully their way to top dog. There are small units trying to give the greater campaign an advantage
The hive gangs of Armageddon have always done the most fighting in the undercities of Armageddon. Not by choice but out of necessity. The fighting on Armageddon is so bad that the gangs would get conscripted or even volunteer to help fight the ork menace because if they did not, they would all die anyways.
And now they are conscripted they fall under the banner of Imperial Guard, so no 'Gangs'
2017/03/16 04:04:28
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
Dramatic? If space marines players were told tomorrow that going forward every single campaign would feature Blood Angels, and nothing else how do you think space marine players who use other chapters would feel? Battle on Ultramar? Blood Angels. Battle on Fenris? Blood Angels. Battle on Titan? Blood Angels. The space marine community would collectively lose their minds.
What is a Steel Legion player? Someone who collects Steel Legion and has their entire army centered around that thematically. People are drawn to specific regiments for the same reason different players choose different space marine chapters. They are different. While all IG regiments rules have been streamlined to be homogeneous over the years, it wasn't always so or by our choice.
Also with this there hasn't been any fluff saying it is all Cadia... you are purely referencing a link to the web store for the Cadian Guardsmen box set which is one of only 2 plastic boxes for Guard troop choices. And you have made the assumption that they are excluding a regiment that they no longer make models for, but could well be within the storyline for this game, which no of us has seen yet.
Well I just had a look at the web store.. and the old metal regiments are back... hmmm may need to pick up some Last Chancers and Gaunts Ghost for this game...
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2017/03/16 04:16:07
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
GodDamUser wrote: The reason it isn't 'gang' focused here is because Armageddon is a active warzone. this isn't about young men trying to bully their way to top dog. There are small units trying to give the greater campaign an advantage
The hive gangs of Armageddon have always done the most fighting in the undercities of Armageddon. Not by choice but out of necessity. The fighting on Armageddon is so bad that the gangs would get conscripted or even volunteer to help fight the ork menace because if they did not, they would all die anyways.
Commissar Benny wrote: ... IG players have the option of using a "CADIAN infantry squad". Its a complete slap in the face to Steel Legion players.
Stop being so dramatic. It's not a slap in the face of Steel Legion players (all 4 of you).
1. Cadian Infantry Squad is the name of the product. Of course they're going to link with the product using the product name.
2. Guardsmen are Guardsmen. It doesn't matter whether you're using a Vostroyan, a Mordian, a Tallarn or a Cadian. They're just dudes in Flak Armour with Lasguns.
And what even is a 'Steel Legion player'? Someone who uses Steel Legion miniatures? How is your army any different if someone used the exact same composition (weapon options, squads, etc.) but used Valhallan miniatures? Or Death Korps miniatures? What is Steel Legion beyond the just the choice of Guardsmen miniatures?
Dramatic? If space marines players were told tomorrow that going forward every single campaign would feature Blood Angels, and nothing else how do you think space marine players who use other chapters would feel? Battle on Ultramar? Blood Angels. Battle on Fenris? Blood Angels. Battle on Titan? Blood Angels. The space marine community would collectively lose their minds.
What is a Steel Legion player? Someone who collects Steel Legion and has their entire army centered around that thematically. People are drawn to specific regiments for the same reason different players choose different space marine chapters. They are different. While all IG regiments rules have been streamlined to be homogeneous over the years, it wasn't always so or by our choice.
More drama in this entire conversation than all the seasons of Maury combined.....
Grow up, simmer down and think rationally - stop getting so triggered. After all, you seem to be ignoring the fact that the cadians just lost their entire planet.
Besides, NO army has been focused on at the exclusion of others - It's been spread evenly throughout the factions fairly well I'd say (Campaign wise at least). Minus Orks, DW and GSC (But orks did have a big role in Sanctus Reach, and DW AND GSC are both new, so...)
Or just sell all your stuff.
Or burn it. Ready for Age of Emperor?
2017/03/16 04:26:50
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
Breaking news from the Gama Trade Show, a brand new boxed game has just been announced – Shadow War: Armageddon.
Some of the Warhammer Community team are currently at the huge trade show in Las Vegas, and are showcasing some of the exciting new releases on the way over the next few months. The first of these is Shadow War: Armageddon.
Right now we don’t have a huge amount of detail on this set (though we will, very soon), but what we do know is that it is a squad-level game set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. The specific setting is the hive cities of War Zone: Armageddon, and the two forces pitted against each other are Space Marines Scouts from the Blood Angels Chapter and ferocious Ork Boyz.
We think the idea of close-range combat amongst the sprawling ruins of Imperial industry sounds pretty ace.
We’ll have more news for you on this game, as well as other new releases, over the next several hours, so stay posted!
1. Does this game continues the story left off since the end of 3rd Armageddon War?
2. Will GW officially remake Steel Legions for this? (or simply just let third party SMEs do it instead)
Shadow War: Armageddon is the spiritual successor to Necromunda and due out VERY SOON. Comes in a MASSIVE (stressed a lot) box full of multilevel terrain, Space Marines, Orks and of course rules. The rules cover 16-17 different factions, so most/all 40k armies are covered.
We’re only just into month 3 of 2017, and already we have had an absolutely awesome year of Warhammer.
In the Mortal Realms, we’ve seen a new faction introduced with the Disciples of Tzeentch, reinforcements for the Stormcast Eternals, and we’ve explored one of the new metropolises of the Free Peoples as the timeline of the Age of Sigmar marches on and new cities are founded. But the galaxy changing events happening in the 41st Millennium makes that looks practically pedestrian – we’ve already seen Cadia fall, a craftworld fracture, a god birthed, and a Primarch rise.
And we are not done yet, not by a long shot.
We promised 2017 was going to be an awesome year for both Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar and we meant it.
Over the next few weeks, the Warhammer Community team will be attending several events around the world, and we’ll be showing off some of the incredible new releases coming in the next few months, as well as a few projects the studios have been working on.
You’ll see the first of these big reveals this week, right here on the Warhammer Community site, so keep your eyes peeled, and follow our Warhammer Age of Sigmar and Warhammer 40,000 Facebook pages so we can let you know when the news hits.
After that, there will be more news the following week, from the AdeptiCon event.
What’s it going to be?
It’s all very exciting, and we can’t wait to share it with you.
Well I just had a look at the web store.. and the old metal regiments are back... hmmm may need to pick up some Last Chancers and Gaunts Ghost for this game...
Coincidentally, I actually have the Last Chancers sitting on my painting pile right now, intended for use as a Van Saar gang for Necromunda.
Figured it was about time I did something with them, as they've been sitting in a box since they were originally released...
2017/03/16 07:08:28
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
Commissar Benny wrote: ... IG players have the option of using a "CADIAN infantry squad". Its a complete slap in the face to Steel Legion players.
Stop being so dramatic. It's not a slap in the face of Steel Legion players (all 4 of you).
1. Cadian Infantry Squad is the name of the product. Of course they're going to link with the product using the product name.
2. Guardsmen are Guardsmen. It doesn't matter whether you're using a Vostroyan, a Mordian, a Tallarn or a Cadian. They're just dudes in Flak Armour with Lasguns.
And what even is a 'Steel Legion player'? Someone who uses Steel Legion miniatures? How is your army any different if someone used the exact same composition (weapon options, squads, etc.) but used Valhallan miniatures? Or Death Korps miniatures? What is Steel Legion beyond the just the choice of Guardsmen miniatures?
The irony here is killing me.
Does it matter if the planet is named Armageddon or Necromunda?
And what even is a 'Necromunda player'? Someone who uses Necromunda miniatures? How is your army any different if someone used the exact same ruleset but used 40k miniatures? What is Steel Legion beyond the just the choice of Guardsmen miniatures?
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2017/03/16 07:12:31
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
lord_blackfang wrote: Does it matter if the planet is named Armageddon or Necromunda?
And what even is a 'Necromunda player'? Someone who uses Necromunda miniatures? How is your army any different if someone used the exact same ruleset but used 40k miniatures? What is Steel Legion beyond the just the choice of Guardsmen miniatures?
Well world setting does make a differance.
But your point what us a Necromunda player conpared to steel legion..
Necromunda is a seperate game. Steel Legion are just one of many Imperial Guard
2017/03/16 07:31:59
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
ZombieDK wrote: I am really not a fan of this so called Necromunda revamp.. Its a cop out to sell more of their existing miniatures.
For me Necromunda or what ever they want to call it now, is human gangs running in the underhives.. Not Orcs, space marines, Genestealer cult and what ever they are gonna put into the game. Knowing GW you can make deamon, ad mech and tau teams as well. They have no place in a Necromunda setting. This is nothing more than kill team disguesed as a necromunda revamp.. They even call it a kill team in the spoiler.
Was hoping for more than just a kill team reskin.
I get you, but this might be them testing the waters, or just getting something to market as soon as possible. It could be that this is a kind of precursor to a properly redone Necro a bit further down the line. Everyone knows they didn't expect BB to be a hit, and there's no way Necromunda could be shoehorned into the production schedule at short notice. I'm sure we'll see Necromunda back- just as an expansion/alternate setting to this.
Hopefully.
I also wonder whether they were developing a new version of Necromunda for later release, but needed something to fill the gap from Titanicus being delayed? It would be one of the few things they could accelerate easily, being as it leverages the existing model line.
Or, as you say, could be a nice, low risk, low investment way to test the waters. If it sells well (and sounds like it will), maybe expect to see the gangs turn up later. Or if they really want to strike while the iron's hot, a made to order for the original gangs the week after release, that would drive everyone nuts!
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2017/03/16 07:41:46
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
squall018 wrote: But he can be equipped with special weapons just like the initiate and has the same stat line... so if this is correct, just spam heavies even if you don't actually equip them with heavy weapons.
Except the Specialist and Leader is always "cheap" because they're your "mandatory" takes, and have limited slots.
Wasn't so in necromunda and sure hope it's not so in this one. Discount for being limited slots is incredibly stupid. Only total newbie game designers would do that and think it's a good idea. Bad bad bad.
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GodDamUser wrote: But then again with this new set based off the old rules, the heavy may well not be a mistake, but there can be a large tax on the weapons themselves
Except that heavy can take regular weapons as well...So you could avoid that tax by...you know. Not getting heavy weapon!
Especially good in necromunda where boys over toys is generally better(I still remember horror of trying to stop gang that due to some lucky rolls and 4 settlements had like close to two dozen worst dudes mostly with knives and pistols. He had lots of boys but no cash to arm them! Who cares though. That was SCARY mob to face!)
squall018 wrote: But he can be equipped with special weapons just like the initiate and has the same stat line... so if this is correct, just spam heavies even if you don't actually equip them with heavy weapons.
If this is like normal necromunda, it's only 1-2 heavies max. You can't spam them.
No but you can use points saved by taking heavy with normal gun rather than normal guy with normal gun to buy more normal guns. Either way you get more bodies in which is extrmely valuable.
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Commissar Benny wrote: My complaint is that the neither the hive gangs of Armageddon or the Steel Legion are represented. Instead, they are completely ignored and IG players have the option of using a "CADIAN infantry squad". Its a complete slap in the face to Steel Legion players.
1. 90%+ of the fighting done in the undercities was done by hive gangs/Steel Legion. Not space marines/cadians.
2. Cadia's presence on Armageddon is minimal. Why are they being featured where the ARMAGEDDON STEEL LEGION are stationed?
Seriously. Its like featuring a release on Titan & not talking about the Grey Knights. Its like having a battle on Fenris and pretending the Space Wolves don't exist. What the hell is this garbage?
Seen plastic steel legion lately?
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2017/03/16 07:54:00
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
Commissar Benny wrote: Its a complete slap in the face to Steel Legion players.
... What the hell is this garbage?
Careful. You're sounding a bit otiose in a niche there champ.
Edit: although I have to congratulate you on triggering so many with such a blatant troll post. Because there's no way any rational person could write that in all seriousness.
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2017/03/16 07:57:03
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
Must be sad getting killed by something you don't understand.
lord_blackfang wrote: Does it matter if the planet is named Armageddon or Necromunda?
Necromunda is a WHOLE GAME. It involves everything from fluff to miniatures. Steel Legion are just Guardsmen, like Cadians. There's no difference to them in the game beyond aesthetics because they both playing pieces that represent the same thing - dues with Lasguns.
Contrast that to Blood Angels and Dark Angels, two forces that are both Marines, yet are different, because they have different rules. Steel Legion don't have different rules. Necromunda is a whole game. It is so far removed from the Cadian/Steel Legion example that it's not even funny.
And the worst part is you fething know this! You know the difference between these two things. You're doing this to be a massive troll, or you're just being intentionally obtuse. Give it a God-damned rest.
Someone who plays Necromunda. The game. Because it's a GAME, unto itself. Unlike Steel Legion, which are just a set of miniatures to represent a singular army in 40K, the same army that can be represented by no less than 7 other miniature lines that GW makes/made.
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Even the Commander. They would make for a nice Shadow War team actually. Not expensive either
Which are metal(or finecast?) webstore only. No surprise GW promotes stuff(especially in advertisement for distributors. Ie to who won't be selling steel legion) that's available most commonly.
This Third War for Armageddon is, of course, not the first time the planet has provided such excellent opportunities for martyrdom. The annals of Imperial history also record the epic victory of the Second War for Armageddon, for example. These are the only wars that have ever taken place here.
That cracked me up Nice touch on not mentioning the FIRST war in armageddon
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2017/03/16 10:30:09
Subject: Games Workshop - Page 6 - Shadow War Armageddon and new AoS Starter Set teased at GAMA trade show
Alendrel wrote:I bet the rules tell you that you are bad and wrong for trying to play a game of Shadow War set anywhere other than Armageddon.
You laugh, but thinking outside the box isn't in the average GW gamer's repertoire. GW will have to bring out a big box - with 'Necromunda' and a big price label on the front - for the majority to think inside.
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Alendrel wrote:I bet the rules tell you that you are bad and wrong for trying to play a game of Shadow War set anywhere other than Armageddon.
You laugh, but thinking outside the box isn't in the average GW gamer's repertoire. GW will have to bring out a big box - with 'Necromunda' and a big price label on the front - for the majority to think in.
If they brought out a new game called 'Necromunda' I'd jump for joy. What is so fething difficult about that to understand?
Nice touch on not mentioning the FIRST war in armageddon 
