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 dreadnova wrote:
For anyone else with a copy of the rulebook (borrowing my stores copy) it looks as if the scouts in the picture are new. I dont remember the scouts without sniper rifles having goggles and rebreathers as well as backpacks with tools and an auspex.

Those are conversions. WD said as much.

 dreadnova wrote:
For anyone else with a copy of the rulebook (borrowing my stores copy) it looks as if the scouts in the picture are new. I dont remember the scouts without sniper rifles having goggles and rebreathers as well as backpacks with tools and an auspex.

Covered a few pages back in the thread. They're conversions, not new sculpts.

Can daemons be played in it?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Can daemons be played in it?

As of now, no.

 dreadnova wrote:
For anyone else with a copy of the rulebook (borrowing my stores copy) it looks as if the scouts in the picture are new. I dont remember the scouts without sniper rifles having goggles and rebreathers as well as backpacks with tools and an auspex.

I believe they are a conversion that was featured in White Dwarf recently, they were discussed a few pages back. I believe the heads have been taken from Scout Bikers.

Space Marine chapters supported:
Sons of Guilliman, Blood Angels, Salamanders,White Scars, Space Wolves and Angels of Redemption.
These are just skill table variations, except Space Wolves who lose new recruits but gain specialists taking special weapons.
You could easily use count as for other Chapters, merely choose the skill table that you think matches.

 squall018 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Can daemons be played in it?

As of now, no.

Cool. I can skip it then. Easy decision!! Good luck, fellas.

Why is GW giving my army the short end of the stick though? Yes, I know we just had a tzeentch release. But the transport/unit bundles could easily have included lesser daemons and a chariot. Then this game skips em. Feeling a bit left out.

Looks like they figured out that customers want things.

 xttz wrote:

This, oh my god this. As an online community, we have literally never been in a better place with GW:

Yeah! Not being able to buy a new release because it sold out 10 minutes after release is the best!

GW changing the way they operate doesn't really amount to much if people can't actually buy the products that they want.

 insaniak wrote:

 xttz wrote:

This, oh my god this. As an online community, we have literally never been in a better place with GW:

Yeah! Not being able to buy a new release because it sold out 10 minutes after release is the best!

GW changing the way they operate doesn't really amount to much if people can't actually buy the products that they want.

Except your wrong and the perso. You quoted was right. Gw online community has never been better. After underestimating demand they are making additional print runs as needed. So you are able to buy a new release you just have to wait till stocks are produced. Which generally don't take to long if past print runs such as blood bowl is any indication.

Now I just need to figure out which terrain sets I need to pick up that weren't included in the box set since there are 5 terrain sets now.

 xttz wrote:



As an online community, we have literally never been in a better place with GW:

They're putting substantial resources into updating several classic games in a relatively short period.

They're communicating upcoming projects weeks or even months in advance, inviting customer feedback in the process

They're making sensible decisions with production scale; using existing models & rules where possible and divesting for a wide range of specialist games (Bloodbowl, Epic, Necromunda-style skirmishes), rather than focusing entirely in something totally new that does not sell*

They're responding to overwhelming demand via the Internet within hours

It wasn't that long ago that every single one of these things would be inconceivable in relation to GW. Yet despite all these positive steps the level of self-entitled whining in this thread is astounding. So GW underestimated the demand on a test-the-waters release? Big whoop. Years ago when the Space Hulk update was announced, put up for pre-order and 'sold out' within minutes - amidst much gnashing of online teeth - I found a revolutionary solution. Rather than cough up to ebay scalpers or protest about their very existence on some Internet forum, instead I walked into an actual GW store and bought the game. It was tough finding my copy of the game among the dozens of others still in stock the day after release, but somehow I made it through the experience.

But let's say the worst-case scenario occurs. Perhaps you're willing to bravely venture out in public to buy something without using the Internet but can't make it in time for whatever reason - your work schedule, family commitments, you've personally been collected by Trazyn, etc. Well you already know from this thread that the terrain will soon be released separately, so you can still have that. GW are already working on an ebook of the updated rules, and in the meantime you can use copies of 2E or Necromunda as reference for 95% of it (or scans that are already surfacing) as a short-term solution. I'm not even going to entertain the idea that someone is annoyed over not getting Marine & Ork sculpts nearly old enough to drink, so let's skip that one. In the long run, a game you want to play being popular is literally the Opposite of a Problem.

Only two kinds of people have any right to be annoyed at this release:

ebay scalpers not getting enough stock to maximise their margins

people with a medical condition requiring them to play new wargames the same weekend of release, or not at all

Anyone else needs to chill the fluff out.

*see Dreadfleet

Normally I would agree with your first points, and we are in a better place with GW, but this move pulled the rug out from even store managers. When you advertise something so massively, showcasing it at some of the biggest trade shows and gaming conventions in the world and then follow that with under supplying and not even telling you sales managers that, it's simply bad business.

When you go in to a GW store at opening to find the store manager baffled as to why they were informed last minute it was a limited release and their customer can't actually preorder, it's a bad look. I haven't experienced many retail instances where the store managers are as angry as the customers about how badly a promotion was handled.

So yeah, GW is engaging with its base more and listening and making changes. This is commendable to an extent, but it is also what every other successful company in the world does.

Very few people have been hyperbolic in their criticism. People can be critical of bad moves and also not be over the top about it, and that's mostly what is happening in this thread.

But the fact the people can piece this together with separate terrain kits and online rules and all the rest just isn't an easy sell to someone on the fence. An all in one box is an easier sell and with this not being supported further as far as we can tell, it's a dead game a week before release.

My store manager was lamenting why he even needs to promo kit stuff because he won't even have copies to sell if he can get someone to try the game out and get interested in it. So GW is kneecapping their own retailers with this kind of stuff.

Also, it doesn't affect me, but not everyone has a physical store nearby where they can drive around and hope to stumble upon a copy. I mean that's exactly what I did to make sure I got a copy, but I'm not going to fault people who can't or don't have the time.

Well, if they just remove the "limited edition" concept...or, screw that, make it still "limited" but just sell the rule book separately the same as they are selling the terrain separately and I doubt very many people would be complaining.

But yea...hopping on the web site today and seeing the "Sold Out" stamp on it already does not make me feel enthused. Particularly the "While supplies last" and "Availability: No Longer Available" right there on the page.

 nicromancer wrote:


Looks like they figured out that customers want things.

It ain't hard to write an fake E-mail and take a picture with a camera phone. How do we know this is legit?

Given how much they paid for their web store, you'd think they'd have some sort of "notify me when it's back in stock" option. Or at the very least put that it's being reprinted on the item page. It looks like it's just gone for good right now.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 nicromancer wrote:


Looks like they figured out that customers want things.

It ain't hard to write an fake E-mail and take a picture with a camera phone. How do we know this is legit?

I think this is the email that was sent when the spire of dawn box set sold out. It certainly looks very familiar.

You might be right about that actually. Good catch.

 xttz wrote:
They're putting substantial resources into updating several classic games in a relatively short period.

And then abandoning them almost as quickly. Only Blood Bowl, which is done through FW for the most part, appears to be hanging around.

 xttz wrote:
They're communicating upcoming projects weeks or even months in advance, inviting customer feedback in the process

There's no real proof that they're inviting customer feedback into their process outside of the General's Handbook. They're certainly not inviting feedback about their miniature releases. Furthermore, showing off upcoming products is what they should be doing. This isn't some great boon GW has bestowed upon us, rather they're just doing what all their competitors (and even one of their own subgroups, FW) have been doing for years.

 xttz wrote:
They're making sensible decisions with production scale; using existing models & rules where possible and divesting for a wide range of specialist games (Bloodbowl, Epic, Necromunda-style skirmishes), rather than focusing entirely in something totally new that does not sell

Some see it as clearing surplus stock.

You're right about Dreadfleet, but that was made under a different regime, and was an attempt to sell a big box game so that the September results would match those of the previous year (when the new Space Hulk came out). They failed, hard.

But the success of Blood Bowl should have taught them that there is a market for these old games. There was no reason to make Notcromunda a limited edition game. Do a limited print run that runs out of stock and has a "Notify me!" button, but this is a 'while stocks last!' thing, which is completely different.

Now maybe this'll be like the Island of Blood mini rerelease, where they see such a giant uptake of sales that they go "Making more will be worthwhile", but until that happens this release is bull gak, and your attempts to apologise for it by going "Look how bright and shiny everything is!" doesn't make it any less crap.

 xttz wrote:
They're responding to overwhelming demand via the Internet within hours

And here we are still waiting...

 xttz wrote:
Only two kinds of people have any right to be annoyed at this release:

ebay scalpers not getting enough stock to maximise their margins

people with a medical condition requiring them to play new wargames the same weekend of release, or not at all

Or people who are working on release day and can't get to a store (like me). Or people who don't live in places with hobby stores or nearby GW stores (See: Most of Australia). Or people who don't want to buy directly from GW due to the price (Again, see: most of Australia). Or a host of other problems.

There are more than two types of people this annoys. The fact that this entire thread has taken a negative turn should make that painfully obvious. Don't be so blisteringly naive to thing that just because you can get it easily that everyone else shares your ease.

rmeister0 wrote:
Well, if they just remove the "limited edition" concept...or, screw that, make it still "limited" but just sell the rule book separately the same as they are selling the terrain separately and I doubt very many people would be complaining.

But yea...hopping on the web site today and seeing the "Sold Out" stamp on it already does not make me feel enthused. Particularly the "While supplies last" and "Availability: No Longer Available" right there on the page.

Yeah, just a physical rule book would help. But my GW manager was saying they were assuming this was a new core game that they would have up on their shelves to promote and sell alongside stuff like Bloodbowl. He said even the US sales manager was pissed about how it went down, so it sounds like everyone was given bad information from within the company. There just isn't any defending that, it's poor management. It's just all so weird.

But if that email is real then they are listening and getting it. Hopefully this shows them not only is their interest in this game, but Necromunda as well, and we do get a proper remake for that.

Chikout wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 nicromancer wrote:


Looks like they figured out that customers want things.

It ain't hard to write an fake E-mail and take a picture with a camera phone. How do we know this is legit?

I think this is the email that was sent when the spire of dawn box set sold out. It certainly looks very familiar.

old e-mail pic (possibly fake)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/5hliva/canoness_veridyan_already_on_temporarily_out_of/db19h85/

Why do people keep saying games like this are to clear stock of unsold models? That's not how things work.. Why would all the other stuff get printed and assembled, and then have GW dig into some mystical pile of sprues to fill the figure content, and then shrink wrap the whole thing? Most of the time these games include sprues that are cut completely different from the unit boxes.

This whole situation is pretty dumb. All the way back to Space Hulk 3e GW has had problems with "underestimating" customer interest. Unless there is going to be a reprint, I think I will save my money and do what my close friends have always done for 40k skirmish gaming: use the 2e rules with the rules for squad cohesion ignored, and throw in the down/flesh wound rules from Necromunda. Players pick a points total and then buy models individually from their codex as they see fit, with the restriction of don't be TFG and spam stuff. Highest Leadership figure is the commander for purposes of using Necromunda Bottle Test rules.

Gw doesn't keep much stock anymore. There is no stock of old models as gw has moved away from huge inventories and went to small print on demand runs. This is why things constantly go in and out of stock now.

 nicromancer wrote:


Looks like they figured out that customers want things.

Good in a lot of ways, but unfortunate they're already moving it to direct only. If I were a retailer I'd be fething unhappy with this development.

It's exactly the same as the Canoness email image. Like exactly.

So either this is a remarkably similar image of an email that's deemed needed to be sent frequently enough to warrant a template, or its fake in this context.

Here's the 4 month old image guru linked to.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
This whole situation is pretty dumb. All the way back to Space Hulk 3e GW has had problems with "underestimating" customer interest.

Please, GW used the same demand estimator that Nintendo did for the Switch.

I can't imagine that this isn't something GW won't restock for the next 6+ months, so plenty of time to buy one. Just like every other recent game, including IKR and so forth.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 xttz wrote:
They're responding to overwhelming demand via the Internet within hours

And here we are still waiting...

 xttz wrote:
Only two kinds of people have any right to be annoyed at this release:

ebay scalpers not getting enough stock to maximise their margins

people with a medical condition requiring them to play new wargames the same weekend of release, or not at all

Or people who are working on release day and can't get to a store (like me). Or people who don't live in places with hobby stores or nearby GW stores (See: Most of Australia). Or people who don't want to buy directly from GW due to the price (Again, see: most of Australia). Or a host of other problems.

There are more than two types of people this annoys. The fact that this entire thread has taken a negative turn should make that painfully obvious. Don't be so blisteringly naive to thing that just because you can get it easily that everyone else shares your ease.

Well said on so fething many levels. There was no indication that this was limited edition. I'd put money aside for two copies through my usual international channels. Even my second-choice AU stockists are telling me they're all gone. Instead, I'll get my Blackbeard outfit ready...




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 Azreal13 wrote:
It's exactly the same as the Canoness email image. Like exactly.

Yep. I hadn't seen it before and was still reading my way through the thread at the time I posted/quoted it.

I might have been able to secure a copy, assuming the stockist can get any.

this post by HBMC deserves a place in the HOF

I really just want the rulebook lol
I hope they sell it separately.

The whole "super hype this game at GAMA to retailers, then not actually have copies to send them" is the best part

Alendrel wrote:
The whole "super hype this game at GAMA to retailers, then not actually have copies to send them" is the best part

Yea, that's a head scratcher.

 nicromancer wrote:


Looks like they figured out that customers want things.

Except that there's no "email me" button for this.

 Breotan wrote:

Alendrel wrote:
The whole "super hype this game at GAMA to retailers, then not actually have copies to send them" is the best part

Yea, that's a head scratcher.

 nicromancer wrote:


Looks like they figured out that customers want things.

Except that there's no "email me" button for this.

As has been pointed out previously, that image is old and refers to the Canoness Veridian release. It turned out to be true then, though, so there is hope yet. Except for the whole printed book bit.