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Product page has been updated to say: "This product will be released in stores on Saturday 8th April but is no longer available for pre-order here. Find your local store."

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*somewhere in the bowels of the GWHQ*

"What do you mean you sold our new game as limited edition?"
"Sir we..."
"We advertised it a damned trade show! We made it a big deal."
"Yes but..."
"Shoot yourself and then go make more!"
"In that order, sir?"
"Get out!"

corrected -

"Sir, let's put a limited number online for preorder, and when they "Sell Out" we will change it to "check your local store." and boost store sales on April 8th & 9th!"
"It sold out already?"
"Sir, the ploy was successful!..."
"We advertised it a damned trade show! We made it a big deal. Are you sure they'll take the bait?"
"Yes! Now we are showing online that people have to go into the stores and get it!"
"Shoot ! That is brilliant! Now people will go in and get that, plus hobby supplies, and more! They'll spend twice as much in a store than online!"
"It's called Marketing Strategy Sir!"
"Let's keep doing this! They'll never catch on! Is the Thunderhawk kit almost done?"

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

Hmmm ... are the Relictors in the game? All 10 companies were on Armageddon ...

 Asmodai wrote:
Product page has been updated to say: "This product will be released in stores on Saturday 8th April but is no longer available for pre-order here. Find your local store."

You can still preorder it cheaper from online retailers or stores. Nearly every store I contacted now has stock for sale and are contacting me if I still want to order it.

Honestly if this is a future strategy this is a great idea. Limit preorders on the Gw website and push sales back to the flags or online retailers with the new order page rules. This means FLGS will once again have a large GW client base and it is still cheaper or the same price as GW website.

gungo wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
Product page has been updated to say: "This product will be released in stores on Saturday 8th April but is no longer available for pre-order here. Find your local store."

You can still preorder it cheaper from online retailers or stores. Nearly every store I contacted now has stock for sale and are contacting me if I still want to order it.

Honestly if this is a future strategy this is a great idea. Limit preorders on the Gw website and push sales back to the flags or online retailers with the new order page rules. This means FLGS will once again have a large GW client base and it is still cheaper or the same price as GW website.

Except that was not the strategy they had planned I know this because all my local flgs were pissed they could only have 10 copies and as of 10 minutes ago they have not heard anything different. As it stands if it was intended then it was only aimining to funnel sales.through there own stores. Even then I am not sure as the GW manager was pretty pissed when he found out it was limited edition and he was only gett8ng a limited supply but was expected to demo it even if he had nothing to sell.

Looks like damage control at best and would not be suprised if some flgs find there orders short.

I asked my local Warhammer shop today and he told me they are only getting 3 copies in, and this is an actual Warhammer shop :-) Hoping to get there early on Saturday to see if there are any left.

gungo wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
Product page has been updated to say: "This product will be released in stores on Saturday 8th April but is no longer available for pre-order here. Find your local store."

You can still preorder it cheaper from online retailers or stores. Nearly every store I contacted now has stock for sale and are contacting me if I still want to order it.

Honestly if this is a future strategy this is a great idea. Limit preorders on the Gw website and push sales back to the flags or online retailers with the new order page rules. This means FLGS will once again have a large GW client base and it is still cheaper or the same price as GW website.

My local GW store announced they're getting 7 copies in (for a catchment area of around a million people).

I doubt that it was planned. It's also out of stock every place I've checked in Canada.

My FLGS should be getting 10 copies, fingers crossed.

Is 10:10 too late to get to my GW? There's another bus that gets there at 9:45...

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Is 10:10 too late to get to my GW? There's another bus that gets there at 9:45...

You'll need to check with your store for it's opening times. My local opens at 9:30.

Not exactly what I Imagined GW would do,Kinda fail for those of us who don't or can't go to there FLGS to pick one up!

I just tried the GW store site, clicked on boxed games, checked the Armageddon box and it showed the game as Temporarily Out of Stock......?

beast_gts wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Is 10:10 too late to get to my GW? There's another bus that gets there at 9:45...

You'll need to check with your store for it's opening times. My local opens at 9:30.

It opens at 10.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*somewhere in the bowels of the GWHQ*

"What do you mean you sold our new game as limited edition?"
"Sir we..."
"We advertised it a damned trade show! We made it a big deal."
"Yes but..."
"Shoot yourself and then go make more!"
"In that order, sir?"
"Get out!"

Ah, listed as "Temporarily out of stock".

Too bad they would NEVER do that, EVER... Right?

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Is 10:10 too late to get to my GW? There's another bus that gets there at 9:45...

You'll need to check with your store for it's opening times. My local opens at 9:30.

It opens at 10.

10:10 pm the night before MIGHT be early enough

The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

BlueGrassGamer wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

If we're going to be pedantic.. The Raptors, a Second Founding successor chapter to the Raven Guard, deployed five companies to Armageddon. The Raptors were specialized in surgical strikes and jungle warfare.

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20030828080706/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/raptors.html

IIRC Shadow war is set during the 2nd war for Armageddon not the 3rd. The only chapters deployed during the 2nd war were the Blood angels, Ultramarines and Salamanders.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

BlueGrassGamer wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

If we're going to be pedantic.. The Raptors, a Second Founding successor chapter to the Raven Guard, deployed five companies to Armageddon. The Raptors were specialized in surgical strikes and jungle warfare.

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20030828080706/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/raptors.html

IIRC Shadow war is set during the 2nd war for Armageddon not the 3rd. The only chapters deployed during the 2nd war were the Blood angels, Ultramarines and Salamanders.

It's kinda obvious that Shadow War takes place either during or in the aftermath of the Third War for Armageddon. The Space Marine Scout section includes sub-faction rules for the Sons of Guilliman, the Angels of Redemption, the White Scars, and Space Wolf Scouts. Each of those chapters have been listed in multiple sources as having fought in the Third War for Armageddon.

So while we're waiting on rules... just thought i'd update my comments from yesterday....

While it is NOT fluffy, or in fact makes any sense in its purest form, a few of us played a load of Shadow War all afternoon and into the night, using the Necromunda Serious Injury Tables, Territories, Credits, and EXP systems exactly as they appear in the ORB (but using the current skill tables ie fixed Marksman, and Guerilla in place of Techno), and we found it to be absolutely perfect. I'd go so far as to say only logicial/fluffy tweaks need be made to these systems to have them port right over.

The next round of testing will be to see how to point/price Special Operatives as Hired Guns, which will be the only part that has to be home-brewed with everything else working as-is.

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Exactly. Buy a scout box & an ork box. The rules will come out on their own (either officially or not so officially ) later, or in the next rulebook. The terrain will be sold (remember the Tau wall that was lmtd edition too?) separately in several months....

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So while we're waiting on rules... just thought i'd update my comments from yesterday....

While it is NOT fluffy, or in fact makes any sense in its purest form, a few of us played a load of Shadow War all afternoon and into the night, using the Necromunda Serious Injury Tables, Territories, Credits, and EXP systems exactly as they appear in the ORB (but using the current skill tables ie fixed Marksman, and Guerilla in place of Techno), and we found it to be absolutely perfect. I'd go so far as to say only logicial/fluffy tweaks need be made to these systems to have them port right over.

The next round of testing will be to see how to point/price Special Operatives as Hired Guns, which will be the only part that has to be home-brewed with everything else working as-is.

Sounds good.

Maybe I'll finally get to do that Ran Lo strike team, after all. Not spyrer suits (are they called that in English?), but heavily armed storm troopers and house guards protecting a house member doing or searching...something...in the Underworld.

Just looking at my old rulebooks got me hyped again foe Necromunda's lore and setting. Shadow War provides the lists, Necro the rest. Mhm.

(And Death Guard cultist kit will provide ALL the Scavvies )

 Necroagogo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

Hmmm ... are the Relictors in the game? All 10 companies were on Armageddon ...

Id be interested to know this too..

Seeing how GW is altering the time line for the 13th and having the 3rd war for Arm probably be the next book to include Orks, BA and using 'Shadow war' as a bridge gap.. yes technically the Relictors should be involved. Well, at Angrons Monolith. However the Astartes Praeses chapters were not mentioned at all in any of the Gathering Storm books, which would have decimated those chapters.. So without mention, who knows, the Relictors may not even anymore.

Loving the whole buying new troops equipment leaders etc,using earned promethium caches by killing there leader or achieving a set objective guess there are counters for that,i have actual barrel caches i will substitute in place of cardboard,Will just do as it says above buy the scouts & boys plus one or more of the terrain kit when they are released,while using old Necromunda rules,until someone eventually uploads there copy of the book online,that way the whole shadow war will continue supported in a similar way to the old version,people keeping it alive with love for the game itself.

 u971 wrote:
Loving the whole buying new troops equipment leaders etc,using earned promethium caches by killing there leader or achieving a set objective guess there are counters for that,i have actual barrel caches i will substitute in place of cardboard,Will just do as it says above buy the scouts & boys plus one or more of the terrain kit when they are released,while using old Necromunda rules,until someone eventually uploads there copy of the book online,that way the whole shadow war will continue supported in a similar way to the old version,people keeping it alive with love for the game itself.

And honestly, Shadow War in that sense just seems a nice "official" way to get some 40k model/weapon rules, and give the Necromunda community a shot in the arm. I love it for that, but a week in, and maybe twenty games played, and I can say it has no legs. They absolutely dismantled the idea of it having a lot of longevity in a group. Luckily, the Necromunda rules immediately fix that.

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.

Maybe they will when they sell the terrain separately?

Just checked the US webstore, and the box is now listed as "Temporarily Out of Stock"

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.

So I can pay GW to see decent images of things I might want to buy?

Cool!

I'm going to have to call my local GW store about this release. All the info in this thread is confusing me so much I need something from the horse's mouth.

I work Saturday tho, so might need to try and arrange for a friend to pick a set up for me hopefully.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.

So I can pay GW to see decent images of things I might want to buy?

Cool!

Don't pretend there isn't a scan of the whole thing on the net somewhere (and probably linked in this thread)... ;-)