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The oil tanker is turning!

*somewhere in the bowels of the GWHQ*

"What do you mean you sold our new game as limited edition?"
"Sir we..."
"We advertised it a damned trade show! We made it a big deal."
"Yes but..."
"Shoot yourself and then go make more!"
"In that order, sir?"
"Get out!"

Well that's encouraging.

Still no word on Warhammer Community, and *checks FB* nothing more on FB.

But the 'Sold Out' banner is gone. Though the website still says 'Whilst Stocks Last'.

Result!

Just a bit surprised/disappointed that GW didn't include the Raven Guard as a sub-faction for Space Marine Scouts...

 Bull0 wrote:
Result!

Don't get excited, nothings confirmed yet

 zedmeister wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Result!

Don't get excited, nothings confirmed yet

They don't remove the "SOLD OUT" tag for giggles and grins.

Indeed. Though I would like more 'official' confirmation, like a FB message or WC post.

Generally, according to the theories of social psychology- making something appear "scarce" is an effective sales technique.

My money is on this and also GW testing the waters. If it didn't sell well then they could just slowly try and sell what they had then delete it. They have sold out of the product for the moment, but will run a second production run now. It would be crazy not to.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They don't remove the "SOLD OUT" tag for giggles and grins.

Don't assume anything until we get at least some sort of official notice. Otherwise, we're doing nothing more than wishlisting on what could turn out to be a silly mistake. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get my hands on a second set but I'll keep my powder dry until we know for sure.

I've already written GW making a case for the game being an evergreen part of the line up - including how my partner and I had just bought $150 worth of models for new Kill Teams that were weren't otherwise planning on spending on GW stuff thanks to the game!

Chances are they'll probably put out the notification at the end of today or some time tomorrow.

BlueGrassGamer wrote:
Just a bit surprised/disappointed that GW didn't include the Raven Guard as a sub-faction for Space Marine Scouts...

Agreeed. I was hoping to run Raptors as Raven Guard. Hopefully there'll be an article with more Space Marine chapters and Imperial Guard regiments in the next White Dwarf. I'd expect to see rules for Imperial Fists (Iron Champions/Celestial Lions) and Raven Guard (Raptors) at the very least.

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are they'll probably put out the notification at the end of today or some time tomorrow.

Chances are they already made the decision to do another production run or more however wanted to talk to the operations manager to have a better idea when he can restock it before they make any premature statement about when it can be available. Odds are the operations manager will need to bump something in the production line down to fit in a huge boxset, but non of these decisions he can make at home without looking over the production schedule and making adjustments. <- this is how a manufacture works. They can't just magically make 10,000 more box sets appear from thin air or kick back every other production run.

Well, it's showing as temp out of stock now instead of sold out on the UK site.

 Witchfinder General wrote:

BlueGrassGamer wrote:
Just a bit surprised/disappointed that GW didn't include the Raven Guard as a sub-faction for Space Marine Scouts...

Agreeed. I was hoping to run Raptors as Raven Guard. Hopefully there'll be an article with more Space Marine chapters and Imperial Guard regiments in the next White Dwarf. I'd expect to see rules for Imperial Fists (Iron Champions/Celestial Lions) and Raven Guard (Raptors) at the very least.

Apart from different skill tables (and space wolf scouts getting special weapons) are any of the variants any different?

gungo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are they'll probably put out the notification at the end of today or some time tomorrow.

Chances are they already made the decision to do another production run or more however wanted to talk to the operations manager to have a better idea when he can restock it before they make any premature statement about when it can be available. Odds are the operations manager will need to bump something in the production line down to fit in a huge boxset, but non of these decisions he can make at home without looking over the production schedule and making adjustments. <- this is how a manufacture works. They can't just magically make 10,000 more box sets appear from thin air or kick back every other production run.

Calm down son?

gungo wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Player not found wrote:

Sleipnir wrote:

Buy-in is an issue. Even if the money isn't an issue.

[...]

Buy in matters, because other companies are offering competing buy ins. GW has competition, and NEW players don't owe GW anything.

You also forgot one very, VERY important factor. Local playerbase. There's a Warhammer playerbase of some sort in almost every single location around the world, all things considered (although in some cases it's a little underground and reclusive), wherease most of these newer games have a far more niche and limited fanbase.

If you have friends willing to jump in along with you then all the better, but if you're starting on your own and trying to find a group to join into, then going with the game that DOES have fans helps...

10 years ago thats very true, but today, at least here in Spain, the GW crow its actually now the rare thing to encounter. Infinity ,Guildball, X-wing and Warmahordes have detroned every GW game in the biggest part of the country.

I doesn't help that I live just at the side of the Infinity/CorvusBelli HQ

I dunno SN battle reports has some of the best 40k games blogs around and a pretty active tournament scene. It is by far one of the best 40k blog sites, super active and based right on the border of Spain or part of Spain depending on your definition. http://snbattlereports.com

Yeah, thats right, I don't say that GW games where non existant here, but in the big hobby hubs of Spain (Madrid, Barcelona, Bilbao, Navarra) they have been pushed away in favour of games of other companys. And in Galicia, 80% of the gaming its Infinity, for obvius reasons

 BrookM wrote:

gungo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Chances are they'll probably put out the notification at the end of today or some time tomorrow.

Chances are they already made the decision to do another production run or more however wanted to talk to the operations manager to have a better idea when he can restock it before they make any premature statement about when it can be available. Odds are the operations manager will need to bump something in the production line down to fit in a huge boxset, but non of these decisions he can make at home without looking over the production schedule and making adjustments. <- this is how a manufacture works. They can't just magically make 10,000 more box sets appear from thin air or kick back every other production run.

Calm down son?

Don't be so defensive, son! I'm just explaining how there are multiple parts and people involved in manufacturing and how logistically they all need to talk to make any changes and why it requires time to make any statement on when something will turn up on when it's not prescheduled.

Vorian wrote:

 Witchfinder General wrote:

BlueGrassGamer wrote:
Just a bit surprised/disappointed that GW didn't include the Raven Guard as a sub-faction for Space Marine Scouts...

Agreeed. I was hoping to run Raptors as Raven Guard. Hopefully there'll be an article with more Space Marine chapters and Imperial Guard regiments in the next White Dwarf. I'd expect to see rules for Imperial Fists (Iron Champions/Celestial Lions) and Raven Guard (Raptors) at the very least.

Apart from different skill tables (and space wolf scouts getting special weapons) are any of the variants any different?

On the background level, sure! Otherwise? No so much. The Raven Guard's shtick, for a while at least, has been their focus on special operations, covert missions, and infiltration. So it was just kinda odd not see them either name checked or given rules in a game/supplement about small but elite units of warrior undertaking special operations...

Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

Wasnt interested in this game before, but seeing as how they made actual rules for each chaos Cultists CCW theyre modeled with, I may have to jump into the inevitable Campaign style gaming my FLGS will develop.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They don't remove the "SOLD OUT" tag for giggles and grins.

Don't assume anything until we get at least some sort of official notice. Otherwise, we're doing nothing more than wishlisting on what could turn out to be a silly mistake. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get my hands on a second set but I'll keep my powder dry until we know for sure.

Come on, I think we're probably safe in this instance.

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

Tau were not on Armageddon either - of course Sisters of Battle were but hey, why make rules for them

We want to believe?


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 Mr Morden wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

Tau were not on Armageddon either - of course Sisters of Battle were but hey, why make rules for them

Ah, but the Tau are in plastic and yadda yadda yadda, whatever.

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

Don't necessarily need to be playing on Armageddon. Plenty of hive cities to base the campaigns in..

 BrookM wrote:
We want to believe?

Yes, but that's why they selected the space marines chapters they did. Whereas factions were just whatever had plastic kits that were appropriate

Was just odd why people were hoping for rules when the chapter specific rules are so tiny. Just use a chapter with a stealth table and your raven guard are good!

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

If we're going to be pedantic.. The Raptors, a Second Founding successor chapter to the Raven Guard, deployed five companies to Armageddon. The Raptors were specialized in surgical strikes and jungle warfare.

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20030828080706/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/raptors.html

 Mr Morden wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Well, the list goes with some of the Chapters involved in the action on Armageddon, the Raven Guard were not a part of it. This is also why the Dark Angels and Ultramarines are not mentioned directly, they weren't involved either.

Source: Codex: Armageddon.

Tau were not on Armageddon either - of course Sisters of Battle were but hey, why make rules for them

Once I'm happy with my Inquisitional ruleset, I'll get started on those too.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Blergh, that's hell of a stupid rule. Can we ignore it wiht a LD at least?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE KNIGHT CANT MOVE NINE SQUARES? AND THE BISHOP CAN SWAP WHAT COLOR HE'S ON?! this game is dildos.....