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 Paull wrote:
Has anyone who was lucky enough to place an order for their Shadow War: Armageddon had a confirrmation e-mail of dispatch yet from GW?

I received a shipping notice yesterday.

Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

So basically, it's yet another feth you from GW.

As a Sisters enthusiast, I noticed that immediately. Ignored as per usual.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Indeed. Necromunda really is 3D roleplay. I get attached to my gangers like XCom fighters and enjoy telling their stories whether I win or lose. Totally different experience to 40K, though I do enjoy a big battle too, you can't care for every grunt that falls...

That's not even a coincidence. XCOM developers stated that Necromunda was one of their inspirations.

Remake, maybe, else UFO: Enemy Unknown came out before Necromunda, no? (I feel old)

Necromunda was first, It was called confrontation and it was in WD.

It's nice we can hypothetically hire a bunch of special operatives every single mission, but I'd much rather let my troops have access to their gear.

Specops seem to get all the really cool toys!

Quick question for those who know more than me- are multiple armor saves allowed? If the first line of defense fails, do I get to roll the second (or subsequent)?

For example, the Solitaire has a holo-suit and impossible form, both of which allow for an armor save (4+ for the suit, 3+ for the form).

You were allowed an armour and an inv save in 2nd, I can't say whether this has been revised for SW.

Its a single save. Armor OR invuln

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm going to cry foul on the above comment that GW had a larger print run than any before, and this somehow exceeded that.

I talked to several FLGS who put in very modest, safe, orders and they weren't even allocated those.

I love modern GW so much more than GW of the prior decade... but calling a spade, a spade.... they screwed this release up royally.

And the real shame is... they did it for such an excellent product that it really could've become their gate-way product for years to come.

Mine got a dozen copies, sold them within the day.

Got my copy.
A very nice kit - but not that much terrain (spoilered due to image size):

Lord Kragan wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm going to cry foul on the above comment that GW had a larger print run than any before, and this somehow exceeded that.

I talked to several FLGS who put in very modest, safe, orders and they weren't even allocated those.

I love modern GW so much more than GW of the prior decade... but calling a spade, a spade.... they screwed this release up royally.

And the real shame is... they did it for such an excellent product that it really could've become their gate-way product for years to come.

Mine got a dozen copies, sold them within the day.

Well, if they did, its because they broke the street date. :-p Its not supposed to be sold until Saturday.

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

The Inquisition and Chaos Daemons aren't there either.

There's a questionable lore-based logic there as to why Chaos Daemons wouldn't appear, they might have made a cool Special Operative for CSM but I'm happy enough with the choices that we got.

The Inquisition's absence is a bit baffling, I'd chalk it up to this being a small military missions/operations game, but it's hard to imagine an Inquisitor not wanting to get their hands dirty.

GW did say that their rules team are looking to expand the number of playable factions in the game, so maybe they'll be in game afterall.

Make some rules for things you want to use with your gaming buddies

 nurgle5 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

The Inquisition and Chaos Daemons aren't there either.

And yet, Grey Knights...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
It's nice we can hypothetically hire a bunch of special operatives every single mission, but I'd much rather let my troops have access to their gear.

Specops seem to get all the really cool toys!

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Reading some cool wargear like the necron gravity displacement pack and think 'thats cool, who can take that?' and then find it is a special character :( boo hiss

Even Marks of Chaos are only on the spec ops.

It's phrased badly, but all non cultists get marks

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 nurgle5 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

The Inquisition and Chaos Daemons aren't there either.

And yet, Grey Knights...

Yeah that one seemed a bit odd. Also why no DW? I have heard you can have a DW guy as a specop for SM. But I'd like to see a DW list to go up against all these filthy xenos lists. Plus the zoggin' lists are called KILL TEAMS after all lol!

Manchu wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
And the real shame is... they did it for such an excellent product that it really could've become their gate-way product for years to come.

Something really went wrong here, for sure. But the window is still open to salvage Shadow War as a gateway game.

The window is closed for Shadow War: Armageddon, but a new, not limited, Shadow War: Something Else game could become a gateway game.
Still trying to figure out what such a game might contain: rulebook, dice and counters obviously. New terrain would be useful. I suppose it would need figures, but which figures?

I hope GW is giving this a hard think in light of this blown opportunity.

T

The window certainly is closed for Shadow War Armageddon, since it's unlikely they'll actually release the box in an intelligent manner whereupon people who want to buy it don't have to get it from scalpers charging several times its sale price.

But this is GW we're talking about. "Wait and see".

Vorian wrote:
It's phrased badly, but all non cultists get marks

What? No. It says:

Marks of Chaos: When you recruit a model with this ability, pick a Mark of Chaos to give them and modify your roster accordingly.

So, what models "have this ability"? Chaos space marine rules:

A Chaos Space Marine has a combat blade and power armour. In addition, a Chaos Space Marine can be armed with items chosen from the Chaos Space Marines Hand-to-Hand Weapons, Pistols, Basic Weapons, Ammunition, Grenades and Miscellaneous Equipment lists.

So no mention whatsoever about having a rule that lets them take marks. Whereas all the spec ops specifically say that you can take a mark of chaos.

 kingbobbito wrote:

Vorian wrote:
It's phrased badly, but all non cultists get marks

What? No. It says:

Marks of Chaos: When you recruit a model with this ability, pick a Mark of Chaos to give them and modify your roster accordingly.

So, what models "have this ability"? Chaos space marine rules:

A Chaos Space Marine has a combat blade and power armour. In addition, a Chaos Space Marine can be armed with items chosen from the Chaos Space Marines Hand-to-Hand Weapons, Pistols, Basic Weapons, Ammunition, Grenades and Miscellaneous Equipment lists.

So no mention whatsoever about having a rule that lets them take marks. Whereas all the spec ops specifically say that you can take a mark of chaos.

"The following special rule applies to all members of a Chaos Space Marines kill team, other than Chaos Cultists."

 kingbobbito wrote:
So no mention whatsoever about having a rule that lets them take marks. Whereas all the spec ops specifically say that you can take a mark of chaos.

On the left of the first page of the rules for Chaos Marines, under the heading Chaos Space Marine Special Rules.

What they said

Like I said, phrased badly!

RAW is definitely nothing except Spec Ops gets marks. It makes little sense, but that's what it is. I think we will likely see this FAQd though (Raptors get Marks but I can't have a Nurgle marine force? seems unintentional)

Nope. RAW it clearly says marks of chaos apply to every non cultist model.

Charax wrote:
RAW is definitely nothing except Spec Ops gets marks. It makes little sense, but that's what it is. I think we will likely see this FAQd though (Raptors get Marks but I can't have a Nurgle marine force? seems unintentional)

The confusion comes as on the special operatives page, the Mark of Chaos is listed under Wargear, which is a bit misleading.
Whereas on the main page for gang creation there is a special rule which covers all non-cultist models.
Different ways of writing the same thing but both RAW.

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

So basically, it's yet another feth you from GW.

Well, and inquisition, and daemons, and cult mechanicus, and militarum tempestus.

And power armored loyalist space marines...you're locked into scouts.

 nurgle5 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

The Inquisition and Chaos Daemons aren't there either.

There's a questionable lore-based logic there as to why Chaos Daemons wouldn't appear, they might have made a cool Special Operative for CSM but I'm happy enough with the choices that we got.

The Inquisition's absence is a bit baffling, I'd chalk it up to this being a small military missions/operations game, but it's hard to imagine an Inquisitor not wanting to get their hands dirty.

GW did say that their rules team are looking to expand the number of playable factions in the game, so maybe they'll be in game afterall.

I assumed that factions who could make an interesting varied team from a single infantry box were included. It was after all one of the big buzzwords/marketingpoints for this release.

Inquisition and sisters surely doesn't have that. Daemons... nah, not really.

So I suppose sisters will get rules when they get their plastic infantry boxes :-P

Mellon wrote:

 nurgle5 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Apparently the only faction missing in the rules is Sisters of Battle.

So I suppose sisters will get rules when they get their plastic infantry boxes :-P

That's a long wait for a train that ain't coming.

@kendoka that board looks awesome but I agree about twice as much terrain is needed

Latest painting competition on WH social media is Shadow War kill teams.

Will our intrepid internet audience be able to contain their snark and anger? Or will overtime be authorised in Nottingham to clean up slung gak off their Facebook posts? Sadly, I fear the latter...

I'm surprised no one has noticed, or if they have, have not yet posted that the Shadow War boxed game on the GW webstore has recently changed from "Sold Out - No Longer Avaliable" to "Temporarily Out of Stock"

Looks like there will be at least one more print run of the box, if not a permanent place on the product list. I'm inclined to believe the former over the latter...and truly believe their initial agenda here was to introduce a boxed deal for a new terrain set, but added the rules on to sweeten the deal....The limited run was to get everyone a taste and wanting more of the terrain which they plan to release in smaller, individual sets for a higher price next week. By continuing to offer the large box deal, they permanently reduce the value of those individually packed, higher priced terrain sets....thereby causing them to sit on that unsold product.

The kits will be priced as follows (according to April WD):

Alchomite Stack - USA $50


Galvanic Magnavent - USA $75


Ferratonic Furnace - USA $50


So, a grand total of $175 (USA Retal) just for the terrain that comes in the Shadow War box...

 Fango wrote:
I'm surprised no one has noticed, or if they have, have not yet posted that the Shadow War boxed game on the GW webstore has recently changed from "Sold Out - No Longer Avaliable" to "Temporarily Out of Stock"

It's been discussed at great length. And it no longer is listed as Temporarily Out of Stock, either - at least not on the US website.

Manchu wrote:

 Fango wrote:
I'm surprised no one has noticed, or if they have, have not yet posted that the Shadow War boxed game on the GW webstore has recently changed from "Sold Out - No Longer Avaliable" to "Temporarily Out of Stock"

It's been discussed at great length. And it no longer is listed as Temporarily Out of Stock, either - at least not on the US website.

It does HERE before you click on the product.