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I could be wrong on this one, but I think that Lelith is more-or-less the head of the DE Wyches. Does she have a counterpart on the Kabalite side, or is she the leader of all the Dark Eldar? If she does have a counterpart, who is it?

Thanks in advance

SG

Lelith is the most famous, certainly, but she's the head of the Cult of Strife specifically, not of all Wych Cults generally.

If she has a direct counterpart it's probably Asdrubael Vect, who had rules in prior DE books but got cut in this one since he didn't have a model. He's formally in charge of the Kabal of the Black Heart (the blue-edged black with white/brass/red accents out of the studio scheme), but he's got a lot of influence over the general state of affairs in Commoragh and could be considered the de facto ruler of the city.

Thanks for the great info!

SG

Lelith has no counter-part and Vect is the undisputed ruler of Commoragh. Although many would like to dispute it, that never ends well.

 Galef wrote:
Lelith has no counter-part and Vect is the undisputed ruler of Commoragh. Although many would like to dispute it, that never ends well.

Lady Malays is only one who poses a real danger to him. Only one who could truely threaten vects crown.

There's the unkown true identity warrior who is the champion of the incubai. (sword guys etc)

Lelith is the head Succubus of the Cult of Strife, one of the larger and more influencial Wych Cults of Commarragh.

Her counterparts are Urien Rakarth as leader of one of the most influential Haemonculus Covens, the prophets of flesh. And arguably Lady Malys, the leader of the Poison Tongue kabal, one of the only Kabals to even slightly rival Vects stranglehold.

Vect is on another level completely. He retains a political stranglehold on the entire, dimension-spanning metropolis full to the brim with ambitious paranoid well-armed murderers. Arguably the most influential mortal in existence, with resources outstripping the any individual High Lord of Terra and unlike Abbadon he has the vast majority of his (begrudging) race behind his banner. Vect is the king in Commarragh, Lelith is just one of his favourite weapons and/or courtesans.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Lelith has no counter-part and Vect is the undisputed ruler of Commoragh. Although many would like to dispute it, that never ends well.

There's the unkown true identity warrior who is the champion of the incubai. (sword guys etc)

Drazhar, Master of Blades (Most likely also Ahra,Father of Scorpions) has no political clout but in all honesty i'd place him as skilled or higher than Lelith in single combat

Drazhar is pretty crazy in a fight but we've never really seen Lelith go at it properly before, it's difficult to say.

I'd love to read a fight between the two, though. I imagine basically none of the people watching would be able to follow any of what was going on.

Vect is the most powerful Dark Eldar, thus he is the defacto "leader". As far as long as he maintains his power base he will be seen as such, but every other warlord in the city is going to be watching for a chance to usurp him.

He's basically the most powerful Mafia leader in a city that's made up of thousands of other smaller gangs. Many of whom pay lipservice to Vect. but only as long as he maintains control.

 Robin5t wrote:
Drazhar is pretty crazy in a fight but we've never really seen Lelith go at it properly before, it's difficult to say.

I'd love to read a fight between the two, though. I imagine basically none of the people watching would be able to follow any of what was going on.

Aye. That would be a true battle of epic skill.
Be a close call.

Its sevantor, sigmoind of the dark eldar.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Vect is the most powerful Dark Eldarl, thus he is the defacto "leader". As far as long as he maintains his power base he will be seen as such, but every other warlord in the city is going to be watching for a chance to usurp him.

He's basically the most powerful Mafia leader in a city that's made up of thousands of other smaller gangs. Many of whom pay lipservice to Vect. but only as long as he maintains control.

Plus he always is n moves ahead of a race that prides itself of being moves ahead of every other race.
It's power but also his calculated and skilled application of such.

 Robin5t wrote:
Drazhar is pretty crazy in a fight but we've never really seen Lelith go at it properly before, it's difficult to say.

I'd love to read a fight between the two, though. I imagine basically none of the people watching would be able to follow any of what was going on.

They have completely different fighting styles and powers to draw on. Drazhar is a phoniex lord, either by actually being Ahra or being an equivalent. Think unstoppable force, hence the 'eternal warrior' rule. Lelith is pure skill and fineness.

Either would crush vect in a fair fight without toys, but Vect would never get into a fair fight without toys. With as much power as Vect has, he would have the best toys, things that could rip just about anyone to shreds before the fight started.

Lelith earned her position by killing MANY, MANY combatants above her weight class in the arena. She's the best arena fighter that the dark eldar have. That said, she is not so great on the political side of things. She is extremely well "loved", and has a great amount of clout, but she doesn't have enough power to truly be a leader outside of her crowd of wyches. Being a good murderer is not enough for dark eldar. Political power matters as well, and it's a long, hard road to get up to that level. Archons have been working hard (and dirty) for centuries to get to that level. That said, she both commands a high price to be included on a raid, but loves it at the same time. Some people enjoy their work.

 Exergy wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
Drazhar is pretty crazy in a fight but we've never really seen Lelith go at it properly before, it's difficult to say.

I'd love to read a fight between the two, though. I imagine basically none of the people watching would be able to follow any of what was going on.

They have completely different fighting styles and powers to draw on. Drazhar is a phoniex lord, either by actually being Ahra or being an equivalent. Think unstoppable force, hence the 'eternal warrior' rule. Lelith is pure skill and fineness.

Either would crush vect in a fair fight without toys, but Vect would never get into a fair fight without toys. With as much power as Vect has, he would have the best toys, things that could rip just about anyone to shreds before the fight started.

Calling Drazhar something as simplistic as 'unstoppable force' is doing him a big disservice. We've seen him in a proper fight before, he's more like a bloody dragonball character with a pair of swords.

Munga wrote:
Lelith earned her position by killing MANY, MANY combatants above her weight class in the arena. She's the best arena fighter that the dark eldar have. That said, she is not so great on the political side of things. She is extremely well "loved", and has a great amount of clout, but she doesn't have enough power to truly be a leader outside of her crowd of wyches. Being a good murderer is not enough for dark eldar. Political power matters as well, and it's a long, hard road to get up to that level. Archons have been working hard (and dirty) for centuries to get to that level. That said, she both commands a high price to be included on a raid, but loves it at the same time. Some people enjoy their work.

You really think Lelith isn't great at politics?

She's running a successful hearts and minds campaign in Commorragh. Commorragh.

She says jump, Archons ask how high, and it's not because they're scared of her, it's because they'll bend over backwards to please her with the hope of getting to be her consort. She plays a different approach to Vect (he's mostly stick and she's mostly carrot) but she's easily the second or third most influential person (the other contender for second being Rakarth) in a city where everyone is trying to kill each other for more influence.