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MegaDombro wrote:
What's the feeling about another Stormcast band? Now 1/3ish of available war bands?

When I try pitching this game to local people I war game with, the common response is something like "Great game, is there an (elf, goblin,lizardman/insert favorite fantasy army here) faction?". There are 3 variety of SCE to play, but most fantasy faction don't have a shadespire equivalent.

The lack of any aelf factions in shadespire, and the 3 initial warbands for nightvault is kind of lousy. I really hope deepin/dok or kharadrons make it into this second round.

There's a petition to refer to this as a "squigeon", and I heartily agree



Can't wait for the moonclan grots!

 Thargrim wrote:

MegaDombro wrote:
What's the feeling about another Stormcast band? Now 1/3ish of available war bands?

When I try pitching this game to local people I war game with, the common response is something like "Great game, is there an (elf, goblin,lizardman/insert favorite fantasy army here) faction?". There are 3 variety of SCE to play, but most fantasy faction don't have a shadespire equivalent.

The lack of any aelf factions in shadespire, and the 3 initial warbands for nightvault is kind of lousy. I really hope deepin/dok or kharadrons make it into this second round.

Shadespire was designed from a group of already designed easy build figure sets. Nightvault will be the first series in which the models are designed specifically for the game (I assume).

I'd imagine that we'll get warbands in sync with new army releases (Nighthaunts, mage Stormcasts, and Shroom Grots are the newest AoS armies - all represented). So, we can assume warbands based on whatever else is coming out in the next year as well (Slaanesh, Darkoath?). I would assume that the more popular, unrepresented armies will get warbands as well. I'd be surprised is DoK and Deepkin don't make the cut. Kharadron Overlords and Sylvaneth are maybe a bit old, but they should make an appearance too.

Everybody talks about all these order factions except the Seraphon, who are still in need of some updated troop models that aren't designed to be squished onto square bases.

I want wild and unfettered lizards, dammit!

That said I'm curious if we'll see any new special rules for the board. I'd like more variety on where we play as well.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Everybody talks about all these order factions except the Seraphon, who are still in need of some updated troop models that aren't designed to be squished onto square bases.

I want wild and unfettered lizards, dammit!

That said I'm curious if we'll see any new special rules for the board. I'd like more variety on where we play as well.

Yea, I'd like to see a Kroxigor with 5 Skinks or some similar setup of... Large Angry Guy + X number of Small guys team.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Everybody talks about all these order factions except the Seraphon, who are still in need of some updated troop models that aren't designed to be squished onto square bases.

I want wild and unfettered lizards, dammit!

That said I'm curious if we'll see any new special rules for the board. I'd like more variety on where we play as well.

Seraphon aren't really relevant to Shadespire or the reasoning behind venturing into the locality.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Everybody talks about all these order factions except the Seraphon, who are still in need of some updated troop models that aren't designed to be squished onto square bases.

I want wild and unfettered lizards, dammit!

That said I'm curious if we'll see any new special rules for the board. I'd like more variety on where we play as well.

Seraphon aren't really relevant to Shadespire or the reasoning behind venturing into the locality.

None of the factions are.
WOW! it's almost like it doesn't matter!
/s

Neronoxx wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Everybody talks about all these order factions except the Seraphon, who are still in need of some updated troop models that aren't designed to be squished onto square bases.

I want wild and unfettered lizards, dammit!

That said I'm curious if we'll see any new special rules for the board. I'd like more variety on where we play as well.

Seraphon aren't really relevant to Shadespire or the reasoning behind venturing into the locality.

None of the factions are.
WOW! it's almost like it doesn't matter!
/s

I'm assuming you don't actually know the lore behind Shadespire or why the factions are there, yeah?

Let's keep it polite, please - no need to get heated here. Thanks

There's no "getting heated". A cursory read of the main Shadespire rulebook explains why the various factions are there.

The Far striders could have easily been Skinks or Sylvaneth aelfs and kept the same game play. Stormcast evacators have been vampires or empire war wizards and been similar warrior mages. More diversity would probably attract more players.

Course if Shadespire is just a vessel to sell more already made easy to build sprues well then we are stuck with the flavor of the day (which will always be topped with Stormcast apparently).

MegaDombro wrote:
The Far striders could have easily been Skinks or Sylvaneth aelfs and kept the same game play. Stormcast evacators have been vampires or empire war wizards and been similar warrior mages. More diversity would probably attract more players.

The Farstriders are there for the same reason the Liberators were:
They're part of a group of Stormcast sent to Shadespire to try to find a solution for the Reforging issue.

As for diversity, who knows.

Course if Shadespire is just a vessel to sell more already made easy to build sprues well then we are stuck with the flavor of the day (which will always be topped with Stormcast apparently).

This is a misrepresentation of one of the big issues that existed with Stormcast and the initial reaction that led to them getting a second book so quickly.

They were intended to get multiple small books, with the major 'Chambers' having unique playstyles. Instead we got the bland mess of "bleh" that we have now.

I don't think it's possible to know what factions will be represented (or not represented) in Nightvault based on the Shadespire fluff. This is a different (albeit related) setting, and with the moonclan grots we're already seeing weird (and awesome ) stuff that wouldn't make sense in the Shadespire setting alone.

I'd love to see some Seraphon too, but really I'll settle for anything that's not Khorne or SCE-themed . Facebook users have been speculating on what magic-heavy factions could be present, but imo that could still be almost anything, and is likely to match up with recent (or upcoming) broader AoS releases.

 Kanluwen wrote:

This is a misrepresentation of one of the big issues that existed with Stormcast and the initial reaction that led to them getting a second book so quickly.

They were intended to get multiple small books, with the major 'Chambers' having unique playstyles. Instead we got the bland mess of "bleh" that we have now.

Everything in AoS was intented to be as small as possible, with a minimal investment by GW, and then charge as much as they could for it.

Gladly, that trend died, GW recognised that failure when they reboxed stormcast infantry from 5-man boxes to 10 man boxes and made the SC! Fyreslayers. I don't know why you are tryng to paint it as a bad thing. Having books consolidating all of this 1-2 unit faction nonsense like the SE Battletome or the Beast of Chaos Battletome are very good.

 Galas wrote:

Everything in AoS was intented to be as small as possible, with a minimal investment by GW, and then charge as much as they could for it.

Yeah, because Vanguard would have been a terribly small faction...

Gladly, that trend died, GW recognised that failure when they reboxed stormcast infantry from 5-man boxes to 10 man boxes and made the SC! Fyreslayers. I don't know why you are tryng to paint it as a bad thing. Having books consolidating all of this 1-2 unit faction nonsense like the SE Battletome or the Beast of Chaos Battletome are very good.

Those two things had nothing to do with each other. You understand this right? The reasons those boxes sold poorly had nothing to do with "1-2 unit faction nonsense" and everything to do with the boxes were garbage value compared to the AoS starter set.

And for the record:
Stormcast Eternals, with their first book? That was sitting at somewhere like 15 units--with Paladins building 3 different units, Prosecutors getting different Warscrolls for each weapon type, a warscroll for a Lord-Celestant on Dracoth and on foot.
Extremis brought almost as many units as some of the older factions do. Vanguard did the same thing.
And I'm not talking about factions like Shadowblades who literally have 2 unit entries or Swifthawk Agents who launched with just 4(two of which are the same entry just altered to have "Hero"). Extremis brought 6 units in from the outset, Vanguard brought another 5.


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 RiTides wrote:
I don't think it's possible to know what factions will be represented (or not represented) in Nightvault based on the Shadespire fluff. This is a different (albeit related) setting, and with the moonclan grots we're already seeing weird (and awesome ) stuff that wouldn't make sense in the Shadespire setting alone.

Moonclan Grots make sense since Shadespire isn't exactly "walled off" from the outside world--and being cavedwellers that show up all over the Realms and a city that's buried in the deserts, it isn't stretching for them to show up.

I'd love to see some Seraphon too, but really I'll settle for anything that's not Khorne or SCE-themed . Facebook users have been speculating on what magic-heavy factions could be present, but imo that could still be almost anything, and is likely to match up with recent (or upcoming) broader AoS releases.

I'd be utterly surprised if Seraphon show up. You might disagree with me on this, but the fluff for the city of Shadespire has been worked into the lore of AoS proper. The new Stormcast army book talks about Steelheart and the Farstriders in relation to this, the Briar Queen was namechecked in the Nighthaunt book as having been here before the Necroquake(which is the "most recent starting point" effectively for the timeline), and the Kharadron Overlords were mentioned as having explored the city not too long ago.

You are away that this season doesn't take place in Shadespire, right?

 EnTyme wrote:
You are away that this season doesn't take place in Shadespire, right?

Warhammer Community wrote:The Shyish Necroquake rocks the Mortal Realms, and not even the hidden city of Shadespire is safe. As magical energies wrack the Mirrored City, more travellers are drawn there in search of glory – and so, Nagash has opened the Nightvault, an arcane prison used by the Katophranes of old to perform horrific experiments…

Nightvault features some of Warhammer Underworlds’ most unusual warbands yet, with some fan-favourite factions making their debut in the Mirrored City – as well as some things we’ve never seen before.

You might want to let Games Workshop know that.

Okay, I was going off something I read on TGA. My bad. Would you mind toning it down a notch?

The fluff you mention in reply to me has been worked into AoS on an ongoing basis. So, GW can write whatever fluff they like going forward showing why different factions (hopefully some elves!) venture into the Underworlds. It is not set, bu being revealed as we progress...

Overlords are certainly a good possibility, but I think we'll see some weird / unexpected stuff this season - your last quote from GW even says as much

It's just another page of the ongoing story behind the game - of course GW can write anything they want to justify a faction appearing in Underworld. Don't really see why you're arguing.

I'm expecting some Tzeentch stuff to come at some point. Since magic is introduced with this new "season", this is the perfect opportunity to bring more of the magic guys.

Won't be surprised if Nurgle followers appear in this setting as well.

 EnTyme wrote:
You are away that this season doesn't take place in Shadespire, right?

Actually I think the Nightvault is a part of Shadespire. It was made by the Katophranes, who lived in Shadespire.

I'm being pretty toned down...do I need to add smileys or something?

For what it's worth, I think we've got a decent idea as to how things will work out provided we're willing to look at the warbands we have now. We have two 'hordes', three 'elites', and four 'balanced'.


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 RiTides wrote:
The fluff you mention in reply to me has been worked into AoS on an ongoing basis. So, GW can write whatever fluff they like going forward showing why different factions (hopefully some elves!) venture into the Underworlds. It is not set, bu being revealed as we progress...

Overlords are certainly a good possibility, but I think we'll see some weird / unexpected stuff this season - your last quote from GW even says as much

The last quote from GW can work out to be basically anything you want it to be. It's intentionally vague. Are the warbands themselves going to consist of a race we've never seen? Are there units we haven't seen yet?

I'm hoping that it's a mix of the two, but not too crazy. They've done a good job making it restrictive but also making it accessible.

Chikout wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
You are away that this season doesn't take place in Shadespire, right?

Actually I think the Nightvault is a part of Shadespire. It was made by the Katophranes, who lived in Shadespire.

The Nightvault reside inside Shadespire

The Shyish Necroquake rocks the Mortal Realms, and not even the hidden city of Shadespire is safe. As magical energies wrack the Mirrored City, more travellers are drawn there in search of glory – and so, Nagash has opened the Nightvault, an arcane prison used by the Katophranes of old to perform horrific experiments…

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Farstriders are there for the same reason the Liberators were:
They're part of a group of Stormcast sent to Shadespire to try to find a solution for the Reforging issue.

You are aware that the first season models existed before Shadespire was even conceived as a concept, correct? All of this lore you're using as an excuse was made up with the specific intention of justifying the models that they were already planning on putting in the game. There's no reason they can't make up more fiction to throw Seraphon or Aelves or whatever in there.

I'm one of those people who was interested in Shadespire as a rule set but dismissed it because the faction choices didn't interest me. Now that Nighthaunt (and Tzeentch, I think I read somewhere they're on their way) is in I'm more likely to pick up a box, but I'm not going to besmirch those who want to be able to play their favorite factions and still have to wait. "Paladins with magic" isn't going to pull in anyone to the game that "Paladins with hammers" didn't already, but Wood Aelves certainly would.

The ONLY faction native to the city are the Sepulchre Guard.
Literally every other faction has had fluff inventing a reason for them to go to the city, and then they get caught in the cursed reflection of Shadespire.
There is 0 reason a faction could not appear in they city. 0.

It's not really up for debate.

Really hoping for a Nurgle Rotbringer faction in this season of Shadespire. No more Khorne, please.

I like the lookbon the new undead! Do we have any info on them?

How long are the season 1 things available? Until season 3?

I saw somebody wanted elves. Now we have (inclufing this new one):
4 order
1 destruction
3 chaos
2 undead

The elves does not seemed so fleshed out in the core game. Perhaps we get some. We need more destruction also.

How do the skeletons play out? How are the new undeads?

I wish we got some tomb kings, pethaps out of the prison? RIP. :(

With Underworlds being its own thing, they don’t really need to even out the factions across the Forces of order/destruction etc

Though yeah I think we need more factions covered, particularly destruction (but they don’t have as much in AoS anyway either)
Obviously goblins is a second, maybe some kind of ogres? Though perhaps harder to rule all bigger guys, though no it shouldn’t be really so maybe not.

 Niiai wrote:
I like the lookbon the new undead! Do we have any info on them?

How long are the season 1 things available? Until season 3?

I saw somebody wanted elves. Now we have (inclufing this new one):
4 order
1 destruction
3 chaos
2 undead

The elves does not seemed so fleshed out in the core game. Perhaps we get some. We need more destruction also.

How do the skeletons play out? How are the new undeads?

I wish we got some tomb kings, pethaps out of the prison? RIP. :(

Daughters of Khaine and Deepkin are very fleshed out. The Daughters would make a good warband in the city, they do explore and in fact bands are often found all across the Realms looking for bits and pieces of Khaine.

Sending the more fanatical searchers into Shadespire is a very Morathi thing to do.

Deepkin less likely.

Deepking are not so unlickly. Their currency is souls. It would be reasonable that they could find some or somd researchbon how to better gather them.