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Cronch wrote:
Not really important, but according to AoS social media team, they're not aelves, so they're in the same boat that sylvaneth are- they're elf-derived new species.

Instead of giving us new elf sub-species no one asked for, why can't we have some new Wanderers? Plastic Waywatchers (or whatever daft IP-protectable name they want to give them) given the current possibilities with plastic kits would be amazing. Cloaks that are covered in or made out of leaves and vines would be something intricate and cool to do while keep a very specific, distinct aesthetic.

The hybrid of 80s glam rock and 70s punk hair has never been a Wood Elf design element I liked.

Too many Ungors in the Beastmen bit for me. They've always been my least favourite part of the army and a small group of figures like this would have been a great opportunity to do something more interesting. A Centigor to go up against the Cent-not-an-elf would've been cool. A new plastic Tuskgor to fight the cat thing.

The Bestigor could do with more fur and physical presence. He looks less beastly (in both senses) than basic Gors of the now pretty old plastic kit.

TLDR - whole thing is a swing an a miss. They're the right factions to spotlight, but the execution is poor. I really hope that what I suspect will be much poorer sales compared to other Shadespire starters and warbands won't lead to GW deciding no one's interested in thge factions (though I suspect it will :( )

 sockwithaticket wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Not really important, but according to AoS social media team, they're not aelves, so they're in the same boat that sylvaneth are- they're elf-derived new species.

Instead of giving us new elf sub-species no one asked for, why can't we have some new Wanderers? Plastic Waywatchers (or whatever daft IP-protectable name they want to give them) given the current possibilities with plastic kits would be amazing. Cloaks that are covered in or made out of leaves and vines would be something intricate and cool to do while keep a very specific, distinct aesthetic.

The hybrid of 80s glam rock and 70s punk hair has never been a Wood Elf design element I liked.

Too many Ungors in the Beastmen bit for me. They've always been my least favourite part of the army and a small group of figures like this would have been a great opportunity to do something more interesting. A Centigor to go up against the Cent-not-an-elf would've been cool. A new plastic Tuskgor to fight the cat thing.

The Bestigor could do with more fur and physical presence. He looks less beastly (in both senses) than basic Gors of the now pretty old plastic kit.

TLDR - whole thing is a swing an a miss. They're the right factions to spotlight, but the execution is poor. I really hope that what I suspect will be much poorer sales compared to other Shadespire starters and warbands won't lead to GW deciding no one's interested in thge factions (though I suspect it will :( )

And that's how opinions can differ I love both the 70s, 80s punc aesthetics for the "wood-elves" and the fact that they put in so much Ungors, as they are my favorite minis in the Beastmen range. This Set has Satyrs all over it! Evil Satyrs vs good ones....I love it!

I like the looks of both warbands and I'll probably purchase the starter shortly after it goes on sale.

Yikes, the Kurnothi look terrible. Both in concept and execution.

The completist in me will pick these up. I don't like the Ungor overall feel, but I do like that they have been working out. I think these are a test for a new restyle, and they desperately need something.

The elves are good, except for the Olympic hurdler. I get where they were going, but something about the outstretched hand and expression does not do it for me. However as a fan of the old Wardancer Big Hair vibe, I would LOVE to see more of this style.

But Season 3. So it goes.

Looks like we might be getting a second Sylvaneth warband, oriented towards Dryads.

I'm fine with both warbands. Never been a fan of shaved Beastmen but the models look well sculpted. I wonder what the Aelves would look like given a darker and more menacing looking paint scheme.

I thought season two had some interesting warbands that played pretty different. I'd like to see them continue to get creative.

Some sort of Seraphon summoner could be fun. An Ogor with some kitties or other beasties could work. Or totally new stuff perhaps that we haven't considered?

With the title being Beast Grave and all, I expect to have a lot more animals getting butchered. Though they'll probably end up being mine.

Reckon that will be the pre-order date for the game as well?

 Sabotage! wrote:
I really like the Beastmen in this box, and while I didn't like the Faun Elves at first glance - the angles provided by Chikout and more neutral color scheme have changed my tune a bit. They look much better in those shots.

What are we thinking the other factions will be this round? My guess is (based on recent Battletomes/factions that haven't gotten any love).....

Beastmen (Chaos I)
Slaanesh or Skaven (Chaos II)
Bonesplittas (Destruction 1)
Ogres (Destruction 2)
Faun Elves (Order 1)
Free Cities (Probably humans - Order 2)
Flesh Eaters Court (Death 1)
Katophranes (sp? Death 2)

Still hoping for a Soulblight Vampire and human minions othwerise your list looks good.

They should do packs of character / game cards for the Warcry warbands

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

With the title being Beast Grave and all, I expect to have a lot more animals getting butchered. Though they'll probably end up being mine.

The title is "Beastgrave". It's the name of a location, much like "Nightvault" wasn't just a really dark bank.


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xerxeshavelock wrote:
Reckon that will be the pre-order date for the game as well?

I do. I'm thinking two weeks preorder, releasing October 5th.

Was Nightvault two week preorder?

Danny76 wrote:
Was Nightvault two week preorder?

No, but nor was Shadespire. However there's Summer Organized Play stuff that's supposed to end September 28th or so from what I read...so I'd think they would want to keep the end from getting tweaked by a new era hitting at the same time.

Nightvault was preorder 22nd September 2018 release 29th September 2018 so 21st September 2019 for Beastgrave would be one year on.

Beastmen are one of my favorite army, but these guys are really really bland (bar the one cutting itself). Will need to see other shots of the satyr

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm fine with both warbands. Never been a fan of shaved Beastmen but the models look well sculpted. I wonder what the Aelves would look like given a darker and more menacing looking paint scheme.

I thought season two had some interesting warbands that played pretty different. I'd like to see them continue to get creative.

Some sort of Seraphon summoner could be fun. An Ogor with some kitties or other beasties could work. Or totally new stuff perhaps that we haven't considered?

With the title being Beast Grave and all, I expect to have a lot more animals getting butchered. Though they'll probably end up being mine.

I was thinking with Ogres they might position it as a step down from Mollog by having 2 Ogres and a few support pieces.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Was Nightvault two week preorder?

No, but nor was Shadespire. However there's Summer Organized Play stuff that's supposed to end September 28th or so from what I read...so I'd think they would want to keep the end from getting tweaked by a new era hitting at the same time.

Ah I see.
I guess they just wouldn’t include it, particularly if it comes out the weekend that finishes for instance. Like with tournaments not allowing books that have just come that weekend or one before etc. I think, not my type of gaming.


On Ogres, yeah I’d like 2 with some extras, Sabretusk or Gnoblars.
Are Gnoblars still a thing in the new lore?

Having seen the set in person yesterday, I can say that the official photos don't do them any justice. The female elf with the bow in particular is really nice.

That's what it looks like to me, too - random glass case pics from GenCon show off the models so much better!

I'm intrigued, but not totally sure what I think yet. It's awesome to see GW branching out with the starter set, but I'm surprised they didn't nail the models 100%. Still awesome, just not sure if it's at the very top of my "awesome list" from GW lately

Danny76 wrote:



On Ogres, yeah I’d like 2 with some extras, Sabretusk or Gnoblars.
Are Gnoblars still a thing in the new lore?

I believe they were just folded into "Grots"

But I agree - my ideal Ogre warband would be something like 2 Ogres (maybe Maneaters?) and a Gnoblar helper or three. Maybe one of the Gnoblars could be a long-await Gnoblar shaman!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I really like the Beastmen in this box, and while I didn't like the Faun Elves at first glance - the angles provided by Chikout and more neutral color scheme have changed my tune a bit. They look much better in those shots.

I'm personally planning on doing a bit of work with the hair color. More of a natural redhead towards the roots of the hair/mohawks, some orange or blue streaks to make it look like it's dyed.

I don't think we'll see the Katophranes.

Free Cities would be a huge missed opportunity if they just did humans. It's the perfect opportunity for a classic D&D style adventuring party if they went that route:
-Elf Ranger
-Human Mage
-Elf Assassin/Thief-y character
-Dwarf Fighter
-Dwarf Priest


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 ingtaer wrote:
Cheers Kan, wonder if Dreadfane is available here as no store I am familiar has a mention of it.

It's available in the US, Canada, and Germany only for the time being.

My hope, based on the new teaser looking like the Vermintide mage’s boot is a box set of the Vermintide heroes coming with the free cities book. That would be an excellent set, would keep the witch hunter available even though the resin kit is dead. Hell, I’d buy that box, and I won’t be coming back to Free Cities! I have a feeling LOTS of fans of the game would get that box.

What does 'season' mean to this game?

I picked up the Nightvault box on eBay a while ago but haven't had a chance to play...are the rules/content in that box now invalidated by the new edition? Or does it just refer to the more competitive aspect of this game/tournament circuit that is currently ongoing?

 timetowaste85 wrote:

My hope, based on the new teaser looking like the Vermintide mage’s boot is a box set of the Vermintide heroes coming with the free cities book. That would be an excellent set, would keep the witch hunter available even though the resin kit is dead. Hell, I’d buy that box, and I won’t be coming back to Free Cities! I have a feeling LOTS of fans of the game would get that box.

It would be super weird for the Vermintide heroes to be available, since they're all from The World That Was. The product title for Vermintide is "Warhammer End Times: Vermintide" after all.

That's more or less what I was building my list off of though, something of that nature.

 weasel_beef wrote:
What does 'season' mean to this game?

I picked up the Nightvault box on eBay a while ago but haven't had a chance to play...are the rules/content in that box now invalidated by the new edition? Or does it just refer to the more competitive aspect of this game/tournament circuit that is currently ongoing?

Each season is one year. Warhammer Underworlds is the Game system, a skirmish game with a card mechanic. Each season takes place in a different part of the Warhammer world, the first season was set in Shadespire, season two was set in NightVault, season three is set in the Beastgrave. Each Season sees the release of new gangs that can be used. No gang has been retired though season one gangs are having trouble keeping up with all the magic from season two.

 weasel_beef wrote:
What does 'season' mean to this game?

I picked up the Nightvault box on eBay a while ago but haven't had a chance to play...are the rules/content in that box now invalidated by the new edition? Or does it just refer to the more competitive aspect of this game/tournament circuit that is currently ongoing?

It's a bit of both. Each 'season' is able to be a fully self-contained product without you needing anything from the previous. The Warbands won't go away with the new season, but there might be some changes to the rules.


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 Theophony wrote:
No gang has been retired though season one gangs are having trouble keeping up with all the magic from season two.

It's worth mentioning that this is a bit of a meta thing. Locally, I'm the only person running magic and because of the deckbuilding constraints? There's no guarantee you can really make it work.

There's also a few Gambits that make it so magic can be negated.

You can score some easy points with magic.

Also they should rework those hold objective 1-5 cards, As I've predicted, they were completely obsolete long time ago..

Just received my copy of Dreadfane from Barnes&Nobles. Their shipping sucks . It sat at the UPS warehouse from 4am Saturday till Monday night when they handed it over to USPS. USPS delivered it this morning.

 Theophony wrote:
Just received my copy of Dreadfane from Barnes&Nobles. Their shipping sucks . It sat at the UPS warehouse from 4am Saturday till Monday night when they handed it over to USPS. USPS delivered it this morning.

That sounds like a UPS problem, not a B/N problem. Mine arrived on Saturday, already have the Stormcasts built and primed. The Hazard deck seems like a neat twist on the formula!

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Just received my copy of Dreadfane from Barnes&Nobles. Their shipping sucks . It sat at the UPS warehouse from 4am Saturday till Monday night when they handed it over to USPS. USPS delivered it this morning.

That sounds like a UPS problem, not a B/N problem. Mine arrived on Saturday, already have the Stormcasts built and primed. The Hazard deck seems like a neat twist on the formula!

I had purchased Storm Strike a while back for AOS (contains the exact same models) plus glaivewraiths and more stormcasts. Can’t remember who said there might be a Dreadfane 2 which has the other models from Storm Strike. This time I can assemble the alternate head option for the female stormcast.

One oddity I noticed was the dice pack inside was still labeled as Shadespire.

Guess they had tons left over already snickered.

Yep, and you'll probably have the same dice in the next few starter boxes. Makes no sense to re-do the product.

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, and you'll probably have the same dice in the next few starter boxes. Makes no sense to re-do the product.

Ehh...it does if the warbands in question have magic. Because Shadespire had zero Magic dice.