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2021/01/20 18:12:38
Subject: Re:Warhammer Underworlds - Season 4, warband focuses P.106
ingtaer wrote: Cool looking model, cant wait to see what the rest of the Warband is. Anyone have any good ideas of what could be included? Seems like they dont have much in the way of Soulblight specific units that are not already included in the other Death bands.
I hope for at least one 'thrall'
What I'd really like to see (but doubt) is a distinction between Death armies, and vampires get the 'preserved undead': stitched up corpses or peat bog corpses with more of a old world flavor than the anachronistic 'zombie.'
Basically splitting the difference between bronze age wights and Frankenstein monster's stitched up by Igor-like characters. Bones and skeletons are well covered, as are ghouls. The vampires should have basic models that are obviously dead but still 'meaty.'
Depending on the Vampire, they are not alway keen on rotting corpses shambling and dipping and drooling about the place - some like Skeletons as much cleaner and tidier, they also often have strong links with the Wight Lords. Some however like Mannfred like making corpses look like Vlad and Isabella whilst he mopes about his empty castle. Zombies are more the favs of Necromancers and there are some Nercomantic Lords of the Dead like https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crelis_Arul
I really hope somewhere (Bl or maybe even the Shattered Realms) books they do something with the living who are willingly or unwillingly vassels of the Soulblight. A City of Sigmar style list would be cool.
If not a thrall in this warband, hoping for a cat or two - alive or undead or both
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Danny76 wrote: Skeletons though fitting I think less likely, or hope anyway, as we’ve had the skeleton warband itself.
Looking at Legions of Nagash book
Could be a Vargheist companion/minion
If the other vampire had been the leader would have gone for Bat Swarms but thats also been done in FEC.
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Sadly Zombies seem likely though as not in the game yet - hopefully they will be good and characterful (or pirates)
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I'm expecting zombies. We've got zombie teased in a silhouette, seen some zombie like dude with an axe, and we've gotten pretty much every other Undead unit covered so far. Though they could add some bat-dude in the warband, though fellbats were used in Grymwatch
The preview at the end of the article has a different silhouette than the miniature revealed today.
True - same sword style too.
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Probably won't be zombies, they will get some sort of branding name change, they'll be original like walkers . They might be a dual kit with walkers/thralls. Maybe thralls will get weapons and walkers will just be cheaper. It could help flesh out units, having thralls move quicker and have weapons while having walker/zombies be harder to damage/remove as they are too stupid to die fully.
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Theophony wrote: Probably won't be zombies, they will get some sort of branding name change, they'll be original like walkers . They might be a dual kit with walkers/thralls. Maybe thralls will get weapons and walkers will just be cheaper. It could help flesh out units, having thralls move quicker and have weapons while having walker/zombies be harder to damage/remove as they are too stupid to die fully.
Zombies are part of the DEADWALKER subfaction, so probably would be that.
Very much looking forward to seeing what they do with Savage Orruks, if their leader has the bone helmet or armour that's been shown in previous artwork. It'll also be the first Savage Orruk model released in the AoS range that wasn't a holdover from WFB, so I'm hoping they mix things up a bit.
Though if they want to keep it conventional, I can see one be an arrer boy, possibly a Big Stabba team and a spear guy alongside the obligator dual wielding Orruk.
Theophony wrote: Probably won't be zombies, they will get some sort of branding name change, they'll be original like walkers . They might be a dual kit with walkers/thralls. Maybe thralls will get weapons and walkers will just be cheaper. It could help flesh out units, having thralls move quicker and have weapons while having walker/zombies be harder to damage/remove as they are too stupid to die fully.
Zombies are part of the DEADWALKER subfaction, so probably would be that.
Well, they are at the moment. We’re certainly in a period of rationalisation for AoS, as they systemically step back from the super small factions they originally went with. Cities of Sigmar is probably the single best example of this practice.
I’m not sure there’s any mileage in GW trying to rebrand the kit, as zombies are, well, zombies. Less a name, more a pop culture phenomena. The renaming has been more to create copyrightable names for stuff of GW’s own invention (Squigs, Ossiarchs, Aelves, Duardin etc).
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I’m not sure there’s any mileage in GW trying to rebrand the kit, as zombies are, well, zombies. Less a name, more a pop culture phenomena. The renaming has been more to create copyrightable names for stuff of GW’s own invention (Squigs, Ossiarchs, Aelves, Duardin etc).
GW didn't invent elves, dwarves, or orcs though. Their AOS equivalents are not only named different, but implemented stylistically differently from the classic (and now generic) fantasy tropes- aelves ride kangaroos, duardin are slayers or sky pirates, and orruks are heavily armored burly monsters or tribal savages.
So I won't be surprised if these aren't zombies, and are like... Deadwalker Corpse-Thralls, and they're sewn-together Frankensteinian quasi-sentient monsters rather than old-school brainless Romero living dead. Something like how skeletons are still around, but Ossiarchs are their 'unique to AOS' counterpart.
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Well, they are at the moment. We’re certainly in a period of rationalisation for AoS, as they systemically step back from the super small factions they originally went with. Cities of Sigmar is probably the single best example of this practice.
It really isn't. Cities of Sigmar was a not very well done way for them to let the various Order subfactions get 'pooled' together and not really function as anything as a result. There's a reason why the Morathi book was a breath of fresh air. It actually created something new and different. Har Kuron is restricted in what it can take rather than just shoveling everything together. Tempest Keep was supposed to be a haven for Stormcast Harbingers and the Swifthawk Agents--now it's just a way to bring Kharadron into your army list. The Living City was supposed to be a place where the Wanderers(who aren't even supposed to be city-dwllers outside of Ghyran and its Living City!) and other Aelfs dwelt alongside Sylvaneth and some wild-men, Phoenicium was home to the Phoenix Temple stuff and effectively a 'city displaced from time' that had been trapped in amber.
The list goes on with that book. Notably keywords being a heckin' mess for buffs and that for all their talk about the "retinues being an important factor for the army"...they really don't mean anything.
I’m not sure there’s any mileage in GW trying to rebrand the kit, as zombies are, well, zombies. Less a name, more a pop culture phenomena. The renaming has been more to create copyrightable names for stuff of GW’s own invention (Squigs, Ossiarchs, Aelves, Duardin etc).
I doubt they would "rebrand the kit" as anything. "Deadwalkers" is the faction name. It would be a heckin' great way to bring something akin to draugr or mummies into the game.
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Yeah. Mileage or not, GW eagerly rebrands 'pop culture' things these days.
If new kits are afoot, zombies are very likely to be replaced by 2-3 unit variants of 'Deadwalker Verbnouns.' With throat-slasher blades, hackthruster spears and/or Reap-slicer scythes.
And the current zombie kit _really_ needs to be replaced. Player-side because the models are gak, GW-side because 20 models for less than $40 is heresy!
TBF, Warhammer zombies have been reanimated corpses melded with detritus to replace missing limbs since the Corpse Cart was released, so I imagine they'd just get a AOS name and stick with that as a design, I can't think of any other IP's with zombie/broken railing/rotten tree hybrids.
It's not just IP/trademark protection. Another angle is that GW today realises that the internet is a thing and if they can brand things under their own names (which they can protect) then when someone googles it up they get GW products, GW web pages and GW's store as the top results.
Are the stats for these warbands available for Warcry?
Not a big fan of the base game, but I do like the look of thee minis, and could easily use them in other games, aside from this thing.
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Quite a few of the Underworld warband models have regular weapons for units in the army; so broadly speaking they work really well as "counts as" models.
Kurnothi are one of the exceptions, though there's still hope from Sylvaneth players that perhaps the Kurnothi are a big hint to the future designs for models for the army.
Overread wrote: Quite a few of the Underworld warband models have regular weapons for units in the army; so broadly speaking they work really well as "counts as" models.
Kurnothi are one of the exceptions, though there's still hope from Sylvaneth players that perhaps the Kurnothi are a big hint to the future designs for models for the army.
Sylvanneth too. Two of the four characters don't have specific rules; ie the bow revenant and the leader. The latter, in theory, could be proxied as whatever Drycha's old model is being used as.
Edit: Mollog too, unless you run all his friends as normal squigs, though only the flying one really looks squigy. The Wolf riders also don't have regular rules, and I don't think you can use gnoblars in a Beastclaw warband.
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Overread wrote: It's not just IP/trademark protection. Another angle is that GW today realises that the internet is a thing and if they can brand things under their own names (which they can protect) then when someone googles it up they get GW products, GW web pages and GW's store as the top results.
So in other words, they've grasped that the internet is a thing but they still don't understand how it works, since anyone making models that could plausibly be desired by a player of AoS Faction X can freely use GW's trademarks in both their store listings and the SEO for those pages providing the text of the page makes it clear they're only indicating compatibility/suitability as a substitution.
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Overread wrote: It's not just IP/trademark protection. Another angle is that GW today realises that the internet is a thing and if they can brand things under their own names (which they can protect) then when someone googles it up they get GW products, GW web pages and GW's store as the top results.
So in other words, they've grasped that the internet is a thing but they still don't understand how it works, since anyone making models that could plausibly be desired by a player of AoS Faction X can freely use GW's trademarks in both their store listings and the SEO for those pages providing the text of the page makes it clear they're only indicating compatibility/suitability as a substitution.
I think they understand it at least a little better than you do. If you google ogre, you're not going to see any GW stuff. But google Ogor, and you will.
But I imagine an impressionable youth who just saw their first game and wants to check out the cool models online is more capable of googling for "warhammer ogre" than remembering GW's pet spelling, or, worse, a verbnoun adjectivenoun name so I think this is a loss for GW and apologists.
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But I imagine an impressionable youth who just saw their first game and wants to check out the cool models online is more capable of googling for "warhammer ogre" than remembering GW's pet spelling, or, worse, a verbnoun adjectivenoun name so I think this is a loss for GW and apologists.
Yeah, the renaming because of Google doesn't make any sense as it requires people to already know your special snowflake name and spelling thereof.
I think it makes a lot more sense to use common names and hope someone stumbles across your product because it is a common name rather than use some silly made up in house names. GW's products do still come up as the top search option for some common names, like "Imperial Guard", the first 4 search options are related to GW.
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. They might be a dual kit with walkers/thralls. Maybe thralls will get weapons and walkers will just be cheaper. It could help flesh out units, having thralls move quicker and have weapons while having walker/zombies be harder to damage/remove as they are too stupid to die fully.
