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I have been converting some of the Godsworn Hunt models into marauders with flails for a Warcry warband. The brown plastic they're made of is noticeably softer than the grey plastic the flails I'm adding from my bits box (some of which are the light grey plastic from the early 2000s, some a darker grey from a couple of years ago). It's so soft that I nearly ruined Jaggathra's arm because the knife went through it much quicker than I expected it to.

And this shouldn't be surprising, because HIPS is pretty pernickety about additives. A chemical added to change the colour can easily also alter its hardness. Maybe the normal grey dye GW uses makes it harder, or maybe some of the other coloured dyes make it softer. Anyway, the suggestion that all HIPS is identical and any differences are "all in our heads" is silly.

Yeah plastics of different tones do seem to have different properties, some softer and some harder, for example I find the gold on the Stormcast easy build quite strong.

that's a bit of a downgrade..

At this point I'm convinced a big Seraphon update has to be in the works for GW to keep teasing poor seraphon players with all these lizard skins!

Seems like the full silhouette for this

Hehe it's a sign. I found a dead giant lizard (goanna) in the back yard this morning. It's skin would make a nice pelt.

I took pics but won't share for sensitive reasons.
Anyway all 'signs' aside warcry bands are looking an interesting mix this season

The Ossiarch silhouette is very cool.

Where’s his toenails?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where’s his toenails?

At least this one has indents to indicate where his nails would be

Since one of the orruks has the name big spear, and that looks like an axe, I guess we have at least two more models to reveal. Weird choice to not have warpaint on half the warband (so far), but I guess it's better than if GW had made raised areas on the body for tattoos, a la fyreslayer runes.

The Bonereaper has a cool silhouette. But I'll be happily surprised if the models are cool enough to warrant buying, since OB models are mostly hit and miss imo

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where’s his toenails?

Thanks, cannot unsee that now

Orcs have claw like nails, so it's a weird omission.

That boy might be the worst sculpt in Underworlds

Wow another model with an overhead smash pose, last Orruk band already has 2 out of 3 models doing that.

This Savage Orc team has been pretty bland so far, unless there's a real standout mini in the set I may skip it.

At least bony guys silhouette looks cool.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where’s his toenails?

Thanks, cannot unsee that now

Orcs have claw like nails, so it's a weird omission.

Looks like the painter forgot to paint them.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where’s his toenails?

Thanks, cannot unsee that now

Orcs have claw like nails, so it's a weird omission.

Not any more. Check the Ironjawz minis.

JSG wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where’s his toenails?

Thanks, cannot unsee that now

Orcs have claw like nails, so it's a weird omission.

Not any more. Check the Ironjawz minis.

Almost all of them have boots.

The Brute that doesn't is in the background, but seems to have darker toes to indicate toenails.
The Warchanter is definitely painted as if he had toenails, but oddly doesn't have fingernails. Though his feet are weirdly misshapen.

Voss wrote:

JSG wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where’s his toenails?

Thanks, cannot unsee that now

Orcs have claw like nails, so it's a weird omission.

Not any more. Check the Ironjawz minis.

Almost all of them have boots.

The Brute that doesn't is in the background, but seems to have darker toes to indicate toenails.
The Warchanter is definitely painted as if he had toenails, but oddly doesn't have fingernails. Though his feet are weirdly misshapen.

I don't know whats he's talking about, they still have "claws"

 Galas wrote:

Voss wrote:

JSG wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where’s his toenails?

Thanks, cannot unsee that now

Orcs have claw like nails, so it's a weird omission.

Not any more. Check the Ironjawz minis.

Almost all of them have boots.

The Brute that doesn't is in the background, but seems to have darker toes to indicate toenails.
The Warchanter is definitely painted as if he had toenails, but oddly doesn't have fingernails. Though his feet are weirdly misshapen.

I don't know whats he's talking about, they still have "claws"

Looks like they're somewhat inconsistent. The new warbands have claws on their fingers but neither nails nor claws on their feet.

The Ironjawz models are mostly wearing boots, but they mostly still have claws on their hands and the two models that do have exposed feet also have weird hands that don't match the rest of the range.

Different designers maybe?

Yeah.....that Savage orc is a pretty big let down. Especially considering how great I feel The Dread Pageant, Khagra’s Ravagers, and the Crimson Court look. I also think the Seraphon and Elves (well not Myari) look pretty good. The first orc looked okay, but this guy is terrible. Definitely not up to season standards.

The Ossiarch silhouette looks great, though I really haven’t liked many of the non characters from the faction because their faces look too silly to me.

I'm liking that Ossiarch silhouette a lot more than what I've seen of the orcs so far.

Might be the first warband I actually skip on. Maybe the remaining models will bring my interest back around?

I don’t understand why everyone seems to be on a downer about the Savage Orc? It looks pretty cool to me, the only negative that I can see is the visible join on its left elbow.

I mean, it’s clearly a step up from the regular Savage Orc boys.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I don’t understand why everyone seems to be on a downer about the Savage Orc? It looks pretty cool to me, the only negative that I can see is the visible join on its left elbow.

I mean, it’s clearly a step up from the regular Savage Orc boys.

How so?
The paint job isn't quite so bad (no solid black depths and solid white 'edge highlighting'), but there are so many things missing (toenails), weird (mutant feet), or added (orcs have nipples now?), that it doesn't feel like a step up so much as a step sideways into all new mistakes.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I don’t understand why everyone seems to be on a downer about the Savage Orc? It looks pretty cool to me, the only negative that I can see is the visible join on its left elbow.

I mean, it’s clearly a step up from the regular Savage Orc boys.

For me the bone piercings on the leg are what really pushed it over the edge, they look terrible to me. They look as if they are actually part of the miniature's physique rather than a foreign object.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Voss wrote:

JSG wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Where’s his toenails?

Thanks, cannot unsee that now

Orcs have claw like nails, so it's a weird omission.

Not any more. Check the Ironjawz minis.

Almost all of them have boots.

The Brute that doesn't is in the background, but seems to have darker toes to indicate toenails.
The Warchanter is definitely painted as if he had toenails, but oddly doesn't have fingernails. Though his feet are weirdly misshapen.

I don't know whats he's talking about, they still have "claws"

Looks like they're somewhat inconsistent. The new warbands have claws on their fingers but neither nails nor claws on their feet.

The Ironjawz models are mostly wearing boots, but they mostly still have claws on their hands and the two models that do have exposed feet also have weird hands that don't match the rest of the range.

Different designers maybe?

I imagine they meant look at the Warchanter, who does have toes, but no nail claws. (Also the shoeless orruk from the second Ironjawz underworld team)

Does it look good? Eh. I didn't like it when the warchanter came out (feet wise), and I don't like it any better on savage orruks.
Also, I'm glad everyone is as interested in ork toes as I am

Edit: Also he has no finger nails!?!

Voss wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I don’t understand why everyone seems to be on a downer about the Savage Orc? It looks pretty cool to me, the only negative that I can see is the visible join on its left elbow.

I mean, it’s clearly a step up from the regular Savage Orc boys.

How so?

The pose: it's light years ahead of the standard Boy, way more dynamic. It's actually doing something, as opposed to just standing with its arms in the air. I love the weapon too! Bone Tomahawks make me think of the film of the same name, which is an underrated gem.

Voss wrote:The paint job isn't quite so bad (no solid black depths and solid white 'edge highlighting'), but there are so many things missing (toenails), weird (mutant feet), or added (orcs have nipples now?), that it doesn't feel like a step up so much as a step sideways into all new mistakes.

It looks like the painter just forgot to paint the toenails on? The nipple could be removed easily if it's not wanted. Can't say i see a problem with the feet TBH.

Sabotage! wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I don’t understand why everyone seems to be on a downer about the Savage Orc? It looks pretty cool to me, the only negative that I can see is the visible join on its left elbow.

I mean, it’s clearly a step up from the regular Savage Orc boys.

For me the bone piercings on the leg are what really pushed it over the edge, they look terrible to me. They look as if they are actually part of the miniature's physique rather than a foreign object.

Yeah, I see what you mean about the leg piercings, they are pretty flat. I guess that this is bound to happen from time to time with the limitations of plastic tooling combined with little sprue space.

I don't hate it, but now the toe nails have been pointed out to me I would rather it just had claws like almost every other Orc.

The upper teeth look a bit weird.

I don't like the bones through the leg.

The chest muscles look a bit weird, which is made a bit more weird by the nipple position.

But overall, I think the pose is nice and in general it's not bad.

This has become a '2/10 Would Not Orc' thread very quickly. I think they look just fine, maybe the weakest of the expansion run for Direchasm, but still one of the stronger expansions for Underworlds overall, at least by the first two reveals.

Weakest ? nah? That'd be the chaos warriors. These orcs have some new clothes.

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