Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I'd like to think GW are big enough to avoid the need.

At the very least, they need to avoid the FFG trick of 'make Iconic Ship 3 utterly suck, then 'fix' it by whacking a power card in a far more expensive boxed set'. That really micturated me off.

**Galas**

Theres no such thing as "big enough" to don't want to make more money.

**Chikout**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You'd only wind up with duplicates if you were buying more than one Warband though?

I really, really, don't want this to be a chase game, where I have to pay for stuff I won't use, for the single component I will.

Hate it in X-Wing, and it's stopped me ded buying anything else FFG. I don't want GW going down that route. In short, if I want to play a CCG, I'll play a CCG. Certainly got enough Magic Cards.

If you don't want a GW ccg then perhaps you should not play Shadespire, because that is a big part of the game.

The objective and ploy cards are part of a series of 431 cards. With 96 in the box that leaves 345 for the expansions. This suggests there will be 5 or 6 expansions each with unique cards.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

That bit I don't mind.

It's the 'not actually getting the card I want with anything for my faction' that irks me.

If the 31 Generic Cards in Skellingtons and Orcses are the same deck? No beef from me.

If they're different? No ta.

**Kanluwen**

I would be really surprised if the cards were only available in the expansion boxes.

There was a valid complaint with regards to Silver Tower's Hero app being digital only and so they released physical copies of all the cards.

I could see them releasing packs of Objectives and Ploy cards as individual items.

**WUWU**

I think the writing is on the wall. It's almost guaranteed that different neutral cards will be spread throughout the expansions. And to build optimal decks you will have to buy expansions for different warbands.

Not having duplicates in a deck would be great though, I hadn't heard that. That would stop you from having to multiples of expansions you don't even want.

Hopefully the expansion warbands are in the 20-30 dollar range

**Replicant253**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That bit I don't mind.

It's the 'not actually getting the card I want with anything for my faction' that irks me.

If the 31 Generic Cards in Skellingtons and Orcses are the same deck? No beef from me.

If they're different? No ta.

I think the cards will be unique to the expansions, I share your irritation, but it has been proven to be a hugely successful business model and GW currently have no game which exploits it.

**Hulksmash**

As long as they aren't allowing duplicates where you need multiple of each expansion I'm good with it. I could see l, depending on cost, grabbing an extra of the ork or death rattle ones just for the models if I could get the cash back for the cards or buying the models off others for a reasonable cost if someone wants the cards and no models. And I think that will be far more common than in ffg games.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

If I can pick up the cards separately, perhaps.

But I really don't want to have to shell out the cost of a Warband when, really, I just want a couple of sodding cards.

**Hulksmash**

I doubt you'll have trouble getting them honestly. Every army that has a warband will probably want the models if nothing else so cards should be easy to come by on ebay even if GW doesn't release card packs. Which I could see them doing a few months after each expansion is released.

**Albino Squirrel**

I'm honestly a little less interested in the game after watching that Miniwargaming game. It's way too much about drawing and playing cards for me. So much back and forth with playing the power cards, and having 5 of them every turn. Plus the totally arbitrary objectives depending on what you draw, and you have no idea what your opponent is trying to achieve. Seems like most games will result in one side wiped out quickly, and whoever got the right objective cards wins, even if they got wiped out. And I get the appeal of the named characters, but kind of hard to get into the background when most of those named characters will get killed every game. Or does the magical city resurrect them or something?

**EnTyme**

I'm with Mad Doc on this one. Chasing cards was the reason I never had an interest in X-Wing. If this is going to be the same thing, it's a pass for me. The models are pretty cool.

**ZebioLizard2**

I'd be more worried if they put Warband specific cards that didn't match the ones in the box.

If they put Stormcast Cards in the Ironjawz box that's when I'd be truly worried.

**Chopstick**

If you read in the back of the box of the Orc and Skeleton team they clearly said it include 29 orc/skeleton card and 31 universal card.

If you have a SC card in these box you should call Customer Support.

**ZebioLizard2**

Then I don't have much to worry about yet.

I didn't notice that on the first time through.

**Carlovonsexron**

I find the “set in warhammer age of sigmar realms logo interesting...

**zamerion**

https://warhammerunderworlds.com/warbands/

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Another concern is that so far, we've only seen boxed warbands.

Now the game does look very cool. There's no denying that.

But the warbands seem fairly limited as they are. And that makes me wonder if we might see X-Wing style releases, with alternate Sigmarite, Ironjaw, Skellington etc. And if we do (yes, there's a lot 'ifs' here...), will they have Faction cards which suddenly make a different model much better?

Now, I may well be worrying about nothing here, and I hope I am. But for now, it's pointing to a business model I'm not terribly fond of, having been put off by X-Wing.

**Geifer**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Then I don't have much to worry about yet. I didn't notice that on the first time through.

If they want you chasing cards without being too obvious, they might it by including powerful neutral cards in a team box for which the card isn't that powerful, so you have an interest in cross buying.

Not saying that's going to happen, but as has been pointed out, if it's successful for Fantasy Flight Games, GW might be tempted to give it a try as well.

**Chopstick**

https://warhammerunderworlds.com/

Website is up.

Power Creep is inevitable in card game. It's best to accept it and move on.

Lol they even had how to build/paint video.

**Albino Squirrel**

So wait... Nagash got mad that the people in Shadespire were trapping their souls in shadeglass and so denying them to Nagash. So Nagash gets back at them by trapping all their souls in Shadespire forever?

That'll show 'em.

**Galas**

I love all of this kind of images!

**Paradigm**

Do we know the pricing on the Warbands yet? I need those Skellies. Lovely models, so rare to see Skeletons in more dynamic poses and there's some really cool touches in the sculpts; the one that used to be a prince still has is crown, the former knight still has a suitable ornate sword, the farmer not having any armour while the rest do.

Really does a good job of making them characters rather than just a faceless undead horde.

**Chopstick**

3 out of 7 skeleton are just a skeleton tho. (Petitioner)

**Galas**

Yeah, those Skeleton Sculpts are one of the best Skeletons I have ever seen. Full of character. My favourite is the Champion, followed by the Lord Marshal.

**Geifer**

Galas wrote:
I love all of this kind of images!

Spoiler:

Yeah, they're pretty neat.

**Breotan**

I don't know if it was mentioned but there's now a dedicated website for Shadespire.

https://warhammerunderworlds.com/

**ZebioLizard2**

Those are from the exact same artist I bet that did the funny little Warhammer 40k site images.

**BrookM**

Same lady who also did the weapon props for the last open day IIRC.

**NinthMusketeer**

I love the khorne guy just screaming as he paints.