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Cataphract wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Yeah, that's the direction of my thinking too.

My guess is Malign Portents is a leading up to the actual campaign later in the year but to kick it off we'll have our new heroes explore a Black Pyramid(guessing the new novel will be like the Silver Tower novel) that these visions lead them to.

 

My guess is Nagash is going to try to upset the balance of power in the Mortal Realms. Doing so though does something to reveal where Nagash has been hidden or imprisioned, leading to a Summer Campaign and finally revealing the Shadowkin faction.

Erm... nagash has not been imprisoned or is hiding he is actually quite active setting up the black pyramid. I recommened the audio drama hunt for nagash and lord of undeath.

The new death novel that was warhammer world exclusive is coming out it pretty much details Nagash's state after Archaon chopped him. Also it explains how death lords are born in a sense.

 shinros wrote:

Cataphract wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Yeah, that's the direction of my thinking too.

My guess is Malign Portents is a leading up to the actual campaign later in the year but to kick it off we'll have our new heroes explore a Black Pyramid(guessing the new novel will be like the Silver Tower novel) that these visions lead them to.

 

My guess is Nagash is going to try to upset the balance of power in the Mortal Realms. Doing so though does something to reveal where Nagash has been hidden or imprisioned, leading to a Summer Campaign and finally revealing the Shadowkin faction.

Erm... nagash has not been imprisoned or is hiding he is actually quite active setting up the black pyramid. I recommened the audio drama hunt for nagash and lord of undeath.

The new death novel that was warhammer world exclusive is coming out it pretty much details Nagash's state after Archaon chopped him. Also it explains how death lords are born in a sense.

dANGIT, I wrote Slaanesh first but then I reworded my sentence and accidentally replaced Slaanesh with Nagash

Haha, regardless of the typo, I really like that line of thought and certainly could see it happening.

Nagash does have a connection to the dark elves so maybe this will play off it?

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, regardless of the typo, I really like that line of thought and certainly could see it happening.

Nagash does have a connection to the dark elves so maybe this will play off it?

Honestly I think it would be interesting if Malerion Allied with Nagash and Tyrion with Sigmar.

 shinros wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, regardless of the typo, I really like that line of thought and certainly could see it happening.

Nagash does have a connection to the dark elves so maybe this will play off it?

Honestly I think it would be interesting if Malerion Allied with Nagash and Tyrion with Sigmar.

The opposite would be much cooler imo

Neronoxx wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, regardless of the typo, I really like that line of thought and certainly could see it happening.

Nagash does have a connection to the dark elves so maybe this will play off it?

Honestly I think it would be interesting if Malerion Allied with Nagash and Tyrion with Sigmar.

The opposite would be much cooler imo

Problem is being the god of light does not exactly mix with the theme of undead IMO since GW have stated they wanted grand alliance death to be grim and dark according to designers. Plus it could drive another elf conflict without both sides being "evil" in my opinion.

To be honest I always loved the Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Shivering Island expansion, with the "Ligth" guards being a bunch of dicks, and the "shadow" guards being the cool ones.

One can have light being, ironically, all grim and dark.

Agreed.
Forget what it's called, but read a Manga long time ago that presented light not like warmth, but cold illumination, flipping the opposite for darknesss.
Was really cool to see done in what I felt was a believable fashion, and think it could be done well.

Indeed, light doesn't always have to be sunshine and warmth. It can be mirages and will-o-wisps leading people to their deaths too.

If Sigmar can work alongside Nagash then it's tough seeing Tyrion having qualms about it. (Unless he's still angry about his sacrificed daughter but Nagash could use that as a bargaining chip too)

I don't think it would be a permanent thing but I could see the initial plot of Nagash using Tyrion/Teclis to light his way into the realm of shadows for some mutual benefit plot that Powderkegs into all out war.

Neronoxx wrote:
Agreed.
Forget what it's called, but read a Manga long time ago that presented light not like warmth, but cold illumination, flipping the opposite for darknesss.
Was really cool to see done in what I felt was a believable fashion, and think it could be done well.

Darkness conceals and protects, Light exposes you, makes you vulnerable.
Also gives you cancer.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Indeed, light doesn't always have to be sunshine and warmth. It can be mirages and will-o-wisps leading people to their deaths too.

If Sigmar can work alongside Nagash then it's tough seeing Tyrion having qualms about it. (Unless he's still angry about his sacrificed daughter but Nagash could use that as a bargaining chip too)

I don't think it would be a permanent thing but I could see the initial plot of Nagash using Tyrion/Teclis to light his way into the realm of shadows for some mutual benefit plot that Powderkegs into all out war.

Fluff wise Sigmar has really low standards. He's like the hero who convinces people to ally with him by charisma and honest values, while not actually having any skill at diplomacy. His standard is pretty much 'not chaos? Good guy!' and is too witless to estimate that certain 'allies' will never be anything of the sort.

Well to be fair it was working out for him.

Gorkamorka had his hordes hunting down dangerous beasts for civilizations to grow, Nagash was the last god to leave his side when the pantheon fell apart and even Malerion never stabbed him in the back like his past would suggest but only left when Tyrion and Teclis did for the good of their people.

Maybe chaos was just a catalyst to it eventually falling apart but Sigmar made the right move in making alliances rather than enemies when he could've easily ended several of them in the troubled state he found them in.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Well to be fair it was working out for him.

Gorkamorka had his hordes hunting down dangerous beasts for civilizations to grow, Nagash was the last god to leave his side when the pantheon fell apart and even Malerion never stabbed him in the back like his past would suggest but only left when Tyrion and Teclis did for the good of their people.

Maybe chaos was just a catalyst to it eventually falling apart but Sigmar made the right move in making alliances rather than enemies when he could've easily ended several of them in the troubled state he found them in.

I thought the whole thing started with Nagash going for a coup?

ERJAK wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Well to be fair it was working out for him.

Gorkamorka had his hordes hunting down dangerous beasts for civilizations to grow, Nagash was the last god to leave his side when the pantheon fell apart and even Malerion never stabbed him in the back like his past would suggest but only left when Tyrion and Teclis did for the good of their people.

Maybe chaos was just a catalyst to it eventually falling apart but Sigmar made the right move in making alliances rather than enemies when he could've easily ended several of them in the troubled state he found them in.

I thought the whole thing started with Nagash going for a coup?

Nope, Tzeentch saw that if he did not break the pact between Nagash and Sigmar they would not win. So Tzeentch orchestrated an event where Sigmar and Nagash think one betrayed the other. Sigmar's recent actions is not helping either in that regard.

EDIT: Ninja'd by the loremaster.

Though I didn't know about Tzeentch being the cause of that too. Definitely chaos' greatest weapon (double edge blade though he may be)

Baron Klatz wrote:
EDIT: Ninja'd by the loremaster.

Though I didn't know about Tzeentch being the cause of that too. Definitely chaos' greatest weapon (double edge blade though he may be)

Yeah I recall it was mentioned in the disciples of tzeentch battletome or the everchosen. I am more leaning on disciples of tzeentch.

As I recall Gorkamorka wandered off first, not any particular event he just stopped coming to the meetings so to speak. Then came Tyrion & Malerion heading off on their own to capture Slaanesh, then the deal with Nagash. Alarielle stopped showing up at some point and presumably Grungni, and it seems there may have been other unnamed gods in the pantheon as well who similarly went their own way.

But the fluff isn't very specific on the order of events, nor does it seem important to the story.

Bit more info here:

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pantheon

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mount_Celestian

 shinros wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
EDIT: Ninja'd by the loremaster.

Though I didn't know about Tzeentch being the cause of that too. Definitely chaos' greatest weapon (double edge blade though he may be)

Yeah I recall it was mentioned in the disciples of tzeentch battletome or the everchosen. I am more leaning on disciples of tzeentch.

Yes, I remember it too, but I can not find the reference (there is a reference in Everchosen Battletome, page 29).

Tricky Tzeentch...

He manipulated Khorne, Malerion and Tyrion into capturing Slaanesh, to help splinter the Great Alliance (Age of Sigmar main book, page 57).
He is also behind the Skavens civil war during the Age of Chaos, just ended by a truce between the Masterclan and the Clans Pestilens (AOS main book, page 68).
And it was also Tzeentch that pushed for a combined assault of the Eight Realms led by Archaon himself, leading to the Chaos victory during the Nexus Wars.

He was even the one making Skarbrand to strike against Khorne. Brilliant man.

new video

"the icon"

https://malignportents.com/#panel-3

These "teaser" are even worse than rumour engine -.-

Looks like Sigmar discovered x-rays. I for one am looking forward to this new age of peace, prosperity and great medical care.

Chopstick wrote:
These "teaser" are even worse than rumour engine -.-

They aren't the same thing you know...

And I think this one is the first meaningful portent we get :

It could be a hint toward "Deathcas Eternals" ; or failure in the Reforging process caused by Nagash - at least it clearly refers to Sigmar, or Stormcast Eternal. even to Lord-Relictors, and Death...

Well, here's some spoilers based on the myriad novels.

I'm sure the hint of more Stormcast stuff will make people really happy!

Whew you know I was just saying the other day how there just aren't enough stormcast in the game.

 auticus wrote:
Whew you know I was just saying the other day how there just aren't enough stormcast in the game.

And the other day I think people said: "these teasers shouldn't be taken literally"... which doesn't mean "let the rampant and baseless speculation comence."

Haha, remember not to take it literal.

I'm wondering if it's pointing to a religious fallout with Sigmar's lands.

They already shown Death worshippers in his cities passing out pamphlets and the like so a warrior of Sigmar turning into a skeleton would be a good symbol of his cities doing the same.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, remember not to take it literal.

I'm wondering if it's pointing to a religious fallout with Sigmar's lands.

They already shown Death worshippers in his cities passing out pamphlets and the like so a warrior of Sigmar turning into a skeleton would be a good symbol of his cities doing the same.

Ooooo that's a good point.

I wonder if the Order hero could be a new Lord-Relictor.

I always wondered how many mortals especially those not from Shyish would even want to worship Nagash but I guess he is really a guardian of the dead. Ya soul is safe in the afterlife with him and not being gobbled up by daemons.

That's how I see it. Especially if Nurgle and the hints we've got of plagues(like the artwork of plague doctors in the background in one of Firestorm cities) means people are being afflicted with something that does just that and makes them see Nagash as a safer alternative for their souls than Sigmar.