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I know almost all the legions were anti psyker after the emperors ruling, but after the eisenstein incident, would the fist sanction use of librarians like the dark angels did? Any fluilff to support one way or the other? Its been years since i read any of the novels. Thanks.

Dorn has all his psykers locked in a vault and won't use them under any circumstances. Garro tried to recruit one, and it was the only time we've seen him fail (that I'm aware of).

 Mhoppe10 wrote:
I know almost all the legions were anti psyker after the emperors ruling, but after the eisenstein incident, would the fist sanction use of librarians like the dark angels did? Any fluilff to support one way or the other? Its been years since i read any of the novels. Thanks.

Dorn was against psychers in his legion, but not against Librarians in other Legions. He also wanted Magnus punished at the Council of Nicea.

This is from FW's Horus Heresy Book 7: Inferno.

IIRC, Dorn literally locks up all his psychers on the Phalanx for all the heresy after the edict and only lets them out at the final battle on terra, so, unless you're doing pre-Nikea vs xenos or Post heresy scouring, I'd say that you're out of luck as far as psychers go.

Drasius hit the nail on the head.

Also on being locked up, a good few of them were quite happy to stay (Seeing as they were under orders from Dorn himself and an Imperial Fist carrying out his orders is a happy Imperial Fist - even if the orders are infernally boring and they would have liked to do battle with their brothers without Psykic powers)

Drasius and Plan are correct.
There are no librarians in the fists at the time of the Heresy.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Burden_of_Duty_(Audio_Book)

TheManWithNoPlan wrote:Drasius hit the nail on the head.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:Drasius and Plan are correct.

Are Kronk and I the invisible men or something?

 JamesY wrote:

TheManWithNoPlan wrote:Drasius hit the nail on the head.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:Drasius and Plan are correct.

Are Kronk and I the invisible men or something?

Maybe they have you ignored?

no he's not likely to go gainst the nikea judegment unless daddy gives the order to.

One thing to note: not every fists company is in easy touch with terra - some of them may never have got the memo about nikea in the first place.

if, however, you're fielding dorn, or pollux, or sigismund, thats not the case - so either leave the librarian at home or take a librarian knight-errant.

My apologies for not crediting everyone JamesY and Kronk.
I wouldn't have you on ignore, it takes a lot for me to ignore you.
Plus you both have nice plogs.

Regarding the OP, if you are dead set on having a fluffy psyker with your Fists, you go down the Knight Errant route.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
My apologies for not crediting everyone JamesY and Kronk.
I wouldn't have you on ignore, it takes a lot for me to ignore you.
Plus you both have nice plogs.

Regarding the OP, if you are dead set on having a fluffy psyker with your Fists, you go down the Knight Errant route.

The Knight Errants are really good for allowing that, and building a neat theme for an army.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
My apologies for not crediting everyone JamesY and Kronk.
I wouldn't have you on ignore, it takes a lot for me to ignore you.
Plus you both have nice plogs.

Ah no harm done. It was supposed to be tongue in cheek rather than serious moan. Thanks for the compliment also

I was looking to do a pollux void battle force sometime around the battle for phall with stone gauntlet RoW. I was thinking of 2 full breacher squads (I have to have them for force org, which is fine since i have an affinity for them anyway), and then a unit of phalanx warders to accompany pollux. After that, im up in the air. Im brand new to 30k and would like to play fluffy more so than competitve. I was thinking a squad of terms or 2 and a contemptor (love the FW model) and not sure where to go from there. I just know from 40k, any list without a libby is usually at a huge disadvantage. I'd appreciate any and all advice, thanks guys

 Mhoppe10 wrote:
I was looking to do a pollux void battle force sometime around the battle for phall with stone gauntlet RoW. I was thinking of 2 full breacher squads (I have to have them for force org, which is fine since i have an affinity for them anyway), and then a unit of phalanx warders to accompany pollux. After that, im up in the air. Im brand new to 30k and would like to play fluffy more so than competitve. I was thinking a squad of terms or 2 and a contemptor (love the FW model) and not sure where to go from there. I just know from 40k, any list without a libby is usually at a huge disadvantage. I'd appreciate any and all advice, thanks guys

Well, if you're looking at kind of a Zone Mortalis style force, I'd certainly look into less in the way of tanks, and more tanky infantry. Dreadnoughts would be solid, Cataphractii Terminators sound most Imperial Fist-y to me (and can have the shields).
I'm doing a similar style thing for my 30k, Roman shieldwall-esque Ultramarines - I'm taking very few vehicles, and basing my army on the Breacher/Tactical/Support mainline, augmenting that with Cataphractii to shore up gaps, and leaving my heavy weapon squads and quad mortars behind to fire over their heads as they advance.

Librarians aren't actually that important in 30k, from what I've seen. The biggest threat psychic-wise is Thousand Sons, but they do pay LOTS for it. As other Legions go, you will rarely find many Librarians, so little psychic powers.

Awesome. As it happens, im not the biggest fan of HH vehicles other than dreads so that works for me. Since the shields give a 3++, would it be better to go for tartaros terms so i can sweeping advance/handle pop-up threats better?

 Mhoppe10 wrote:
Awesome. As it happens, im not the biggest fan of HH vehicles other than dreads so that works for me. Since the shields give a 3++, would it be better to go for tartaros terms so i can sweeping advance/handle pop-up threats better?

Depending on how your gaming group interprets the rule they may not allow tartaros termies to take storm shields, either way unless you are well low on points and dont think running will at all benefit you there is no reason to take cata termies with storm shields, so tartaros if your gaming group agrees or indomitous e.g. normal 40k termie armour..

Are there HH models in indomitous plate? Or just use normal 40k terms? Was there even indomitous in 30k? I am trying to stay fluffy (i.e. majority of breacher will have mkiii armor while the warders would have mkiv plate). As a side note, are warders worth it en masse? They're absurdly expensive in a 2k game for instance

Indomitous is whats considered "Standard" Terminator armor, and as I understand it, at present Warders are massively over priced for what you get, at least until the next update.

As an Imperial Fists player, I have not and will not purchase Warders or Breacher squads. They look nice, but die like tactical marines despite the 25-50% tax. No thanks.

An army built around Pollux could do well with his Warlord trait and other special abilities. Perhaps terminator heavy. I'd prefer Cataphractii with a handfull of SS.

Don't forget your tactical squads. BS5 bolters are no joke in HH games.

My favorite unit is still my Templar Brethren hopping out of a Land Raider. Combat shields, a solarite power gauntlet, and Armored Ceremite on the LR, and you're good to go. Toss in an apothecary for added protection.

I dissagree on the Breachers at least (my warders pretend to be breachers. If only they got the artificer armour treatment, they would be pretty damn good then)

BS: 5 T: 5 breachers with the stone gauntlet RoW is stupidly fun