OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
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We have something very exciting on the way tomorrow folks.
We'll be bringing you a live question and answer session on the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. We'll have Pete Foley - head of the teams behind the new edition's rules and setting - and Andy Smillie - who runs the Warhammer Community team.
Tune in at 17:15 tomorrow, UK time, to watch live and maybe even have your own questions answered - if you're a Warhammer 40,000 fan, or interested in the new edition, this is a live feed you won't want to miss

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
@Gimgamgoo

For me the positives of having the points seperate to the warscrolls far outweighs any negatives. Surely you can appreciate having the points seperate and all in one book means GW can rebalance every faction at once without needing to re-edit every single Warscroll (which would also make pages and pages of your Battletome out-of-date too).

This is something WHFB never had, instead armies would be stuck with the same points values for years and even across editions. I like the new system much better.

Quite clearly it works ok for you and I don't have experience of AoS with points. I just thought editing a number on a pdf and uploading it over an old version would be less hassle than reprinting an entire book for GW. Cheaper for us as well.

Surely GW is better off with us spending £30 on figures than £30 on a book. The profit margins on a sprue of plastic has to be significantly higher than on a book.

BTW that AoS army builder looks nice. Let's hope nuGW keep it free and not on some subsciption service like they would have done a few years ago.

 BrookM wrote:

 the_nightlord wrote:
Um really guys/gals. You really believe that GW is just gonna hand over all the rules and rules/points systems to ALL the 40 armies in production for free on a website?? You either have wishful thinking or drinking the koolaid GW wants you drink. First off YES look at AOS Age of Sigmar. GW learned real fast that it needed a point system for a game the was falling faster the then Hindenberg . Then suddenly army books started rolling out. So the first things released will be basic rules to introduce 40K . Then more rules PER ARMY. Then if you want to play with "YOUR" whole army you'll have to buy the NEW AND IMPROVED codex as they are released ONCE AGAIN!!!

GW just isn't going to "GIVE" you army list and points for every model they produced. All the time and money to pay the people working on the game system alone needs to be paid. And all the stock holders want their money too. And eventually they will release ALL the "RULES" to the game. And don't be surprised that will be a 50.00 book. ONLY the introductory rules will be free.

Bottom line GW is always and will always be about making money and finding ways of getting it out of your hands. No matter how they do it. And I promise you there will be an FAQ with in 6 months of the release of the majority of the game.

All I can say to you people praiseing this new release is either your too new, too blind to whats going on, or you work for them(GW) and just trying to pump this new 8th edition for all its work.

I have played 40k since rogue trader. I weathered rules changes after rules changes for years. I played GW Epic Space Marines, I owned most everything for the game. GW changed the rules and the game died. I played ManOwar. GW just quit supporting it all together.I also played many many other GW games over the years that just died off. Then I got into WH Fantasy. All the while still playing and enduring GWs constant rules changes for 40k.After AOS release I dropped WHF completely. And I do mean EVERYTHING. And now I'm about to have several hundreds of dollars worth of useless rules and codex books sitting in my library. Some books were just bought as recently as this year. I knew GW was gonna release 8th edition, But I didn't think they would go to this extreme with what they learned from the ABORTION called AOS. But, it looks like GW may finally cut their own throats. Remember all current tournys through out the USA are based on current point systems and most people have built their armies using those tourney rules. Think how many people ran out and bought new vehicles for their armies due to the formations in the codexs. Are these gone too???
If this is the case are the tourney managers gonna jump up and totally change their rules, or are they just gonna stick to 7th edition until GW works out all the bugs that will definitely come with a brand new rules system. And the spring/ summer time is when most tournies will be run. AND we all know how "PLAY TESTED" 40k rules are. FAQs are gonna be out within 6 months. Also Are the new rules gonna cover EVERY army currently released; I mean since our current codexs will now be useless according to GW. Do you all realize how generic this game will be. And then suddenly in a few months GW will start releasing codexs for 50.00 a pop once again. Just like they did for AOS. People of the world of 40K I feel GW is either gonna look like the Greatest show on earth. Or they may have just blown a big hole in the only part of the ship that hasent filled with water yet. GWs excuse was to make the game more affordable. Maybe they should have looked at the price of their minis first. And stuck with paper back codexs.
TO this day i'll never understand this company. Back in the day TSR and FASA were some of the big boys on the block. Look where they are now. Maybe GW is about to go the way of the dinosaur. Or become the goose that laid another golden egg. Only time will tell. But this maybe where I get off the ever turning merry go round called 40k. Good day.

 Bottle wrote:

Unless you want everything to be digital the problem is updating all those points costs when they are printed on the top of your warscrolls in battletome requires reprinting all of the books rather than just the GHB. A second reason is GW is trying to encourage multiple ways to play and having the points written in stone on the Warscroll means people are less likely to play without points, where-as the current system clearly defines points as being something for 'Matched Play', whereas a Warscroll is something used in Open, Narrative and Matched.

I really like the system it has. The GHBII isn't just going to be new points. It's going to have a new set of tournament standard scenarios and new narrative content (whatever that might entail, new campaign systems for example). Having it updated yearly means the meta is balanced much better and the game is constantly kept fresh.

To me it seems such a small downside, (I can't see the stats and points on the same page) compared to a host of upsides, (I get all the points for all factions in one book, points can be re-tweaked yearly, battletomes stay valid longer and across editions of the GHB, fun narrative-only battalions can be added in without the risk of unbalancing tournament play).

(PS. GW do already offer a subscription army builder service within the app. It's really good and offers more features than scrollbuilder (plus you don't need wi-fi) so for me it is definitely worth the 99p I pay a month for it. What's great about the new GW is that rather than ask Scrollbuilder to stop now they have their own, they are instead going to be moving scrollbuilder over to the community website).

 Genoside07 wrote:
I don't understand why GW thinks someone will not spend more than thirty minutes to read the rules
but will spend hours assembling and painting their miniatures..

Are all the miniatures going to two piece models that are snap fit? Don't want the customer
base spending to much time with their new hobby... Just seems like two different ideas mixed.

When I first got into GWs games.. I wanted a big massive rule book, proving that I could do things
that was difficult.. but thinking every customer has an attention of a gnat may end up hurting them.

Look at how well Shadow Wars sold and the rules are actually seem quite long compared to AoS
but I feel it makes for a better game.

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
The FAQ gives me hope that the rules won't be dumbed down to the point of AoS simplicity, which has about as much tactical nuance as Hungry Hippo. Interesting that 40K could end up as the tactical choice after Fantasy held that title for so long.

It's statements like this that make it seem like people speak out on a game they've never played. I honestly don't see how AoS is less tactical than 40K, maybe less tactical than WHFB, and certainly differently tactical from 40K. Comparing it to hungry hippo or whatever children's game they can come up with just reeks of glanced at the four pages of rules maybe played a game or two before GHB and then said "f it".

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
The FAQ gives me hope that the rules won't be dumbed down to the point of AoS simplicity, which has about as much tactical nuance as Hungry Hippo. Interesting that 40K could end up as the tactical choice after Fantasy held that title for so long.

It's statements like this that make it seem like people speak out on a game they've never played. I honestly don't see how AoS is less tactical than 40K, maybe less tactical than WHFB, and certainly differently tactical from 40K. Comparing it to hungry hippo or whatever children's game they can come up with just reeks of glanced at the four pages of rules maybe played a game or two before GHB and then said "f it".

peoplewho think AOS is a tactical game obviously have a very limited knowledge of the other miniature games that exist. It's a decent game to pass a few hours, but it it very shallow tactically

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
The FAQ gives me hope that the rules won't be dumbed down to the point of AoS simplicity, which has about as much tactical nuance as Hungry Hippo. Interesting that 40K could end up as the tactical choice after Fantasy held that title for so long.

It's statements like this that make it seem like people speak out on a game they've never played. I honestly don't see how AoS is less tactical than 40K, maybe less tactical than WHFB, and certainly differently tactical from 40K. Comparing it to hungry hippo or whatever children's game they can come up with just reeks of glanced at the four pages of rules maybe played a game or two before GHB and then said "f it".

peoplewho think AOS is a tactical game obviously have a very limited knowledge of the other miniature games that exist. It's a decent game to pass a few hours, but it it very shallow tactically

 nudibranch wrote:
The "is AoS tactically deep" argument always devolves into a cycle of "yes it is" and "no it isn't" without ever actually going anywhere. I think it's time to move on...

 nudibranch wrote:
The "is AoS tactically deep" argument always devolves into a cycle of "yes it is" and "no it isn't" without ever actually going anywhere. I think it's time to move on...

 streetsamurai wrote:
to be honest, my comment was deliberately provocative since I'm tired of the ridiculous argument that everyone who doesn't like AOS hasn't played it.

SeanDrake wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:
The "is AoS tactically deep" argument always devolves into a cycle of "yes it is" and "no it isn't" without ever actually going anywhere. I think it's time to move on...

I would but AoS fans seem determand to have 40k reduced to the lowest common denominator as well.

My only hope is that GW's threat to AoS 30k was a joke or somthing but I have a feeling some people will only be happy once allnGW games are AoS.

SeanDrake wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:
The "is AoS tactically deep" argument always devolves into a cycle of "yes it is" and "no it isn't" without ever actually going anywhere. I think it's time to move on...

I would but AoS fans seem determand to have 40k reduced to the lowest common denominator as well.

My only hope is that GW's threat to AoS 30k was a joke or somthing but I have a feeling some people will only be happy once allnGW games are AoS.

SeanDrake wrote:
I would but AoS fans seem determand to have 40k reduced to the lowest common denominator as well.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I do get the frustrations of buying a book and it being invalidated soon after, but when is an good time to stop doing books before a new edition?