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Thebiggesthat wrote:
As someone with a physics degree, masters ongoing, a job based on software test and statistical analysis, please take that chip on your shoulder Whirlwind and insert it somewhere painful. It's absolutely nothing to do with intelligence and background. Although I'm glad it doesn't appeal to you, as you seem like a conceited ass and I can imagine nothing worse than bumping into you in a tournament.

Okay, I'm a big fan of Age of Sigmar, it's probably my favourite GW game at the moment, and I'd like to politely ask you to calm down. You're making us look bad.

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Didn't even notice the split Imperium. Nice catch. Where does it say the Imperium Nihilus thing?

Look along the top of the map, from the top right of Cadia and the Eye Of Terror right out to the Eastern Fringe. It's obscured by the warp storms though.

Oh hahahaha the big writing plastered right across.

Thanks haha.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

But what if I have a reason to buy miniatures other than crushing n00bs with the latest copy/paste netlist

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

But what if I have a reason to buy miniatures other than crushing n00bs with the latest copy/paste netlist

What?! Heresy!
Shhhh... Wraithknights stay calm, he wasn't talking serious...obviously no other reasons exist to buy other things besides you and your little biker cousins...
I have 30 Vespids and I'm not sure if it matters that I bough them in the past or buy them now


PD: I love the people that get mad when GW don't announce anything, and then get mad too when GW announce things. What exactly that people want besides crying on the internet?

Unification Wars - Early Roman Republic (pre Pyrrhic War)
Early Great Crusade - Roman Republic
Later Great Crusade - Roman Pricipat (Early - mid Empire)
Horus Heresy - 3rd Century Crisis
M32-M41 Imperium - Early Roman Dominate (Roman Empire since Dioletian in 284, Legions divided in Limitanei and Comitatensis with 1.000 Legionaries)
M42 Imperium - Later Roman Dominat (Divided Empire since the Death of Theodosius I. in 395)

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Didn't even notice the split Imperium. Nice catch. Where does it say the Imperium Nihilus thing?

Look along the top of the map, from the top right of Cadia and the Eye Of Terror right out to the Eastern Fringe. It's obscured by the warp storms though.

Oh hahahaha the big writing plastered right across.

Thanks haha.

I didn't see it at first too. And you're welcome.

 Galas wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

But what if I have a reason to buy miniatures other than crushing n00bs with the latest copy/paste netlist

What?! Heresy!
Shhhh... Wraithknights stay calm, he wasn't talking serious...obviously no other reasons exist to buy other things besides you and your little biker cousins...
I have 30 Vespids and I'm not sure if it matters that I bough them in the past or buy them now


PD: I love the people that get mad when GW don't announce anything, and then get mad too when GW announce things. What exactly that people want besides crying on the internet?

Announce the very specific thing they like, the very specifc way they want.

 nudibranch wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
As someone with a physics degree, masters ongoing, a job based on software test and statistical analysis, please take that chip on your shoulder Whirlwind and insert it somewhere painful. It's absolutely nothing to do with intelligence and background. Although I'm glad it doesn't appeal to you, as you seem like a conceited ass and I can imagine nothing worse than bumping into you in a tournament.

Okay, I'm a big fan of Age of Sigmar, it's probably my favourite GW game at the moment, and I'd like to politely ask you to calm down. You're making us look bad.

I don't speak for anyone but myself, so please lay off the dramatics. I won't have some conceited bs about AoS being a game for idiots (I'm paraphrasing) on here. It's utter rubbish, and deserves the contempt I'm showing it.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

But what if I have a reason to buy miniatures other than crushing n00bs with the latest copy/paste netlist

What?! Heresy!
Shhhh... Wraithknights stay calm, he wasn't talking serious...obviously no other reasons exist to buy other things besides you and your little biker cousins...
I have 30 Vespids and I'm not sure if it matters that I bough them in the past or buy them now


PD: I love the people that get mad when GW don't announce anything, and then get mad too when GW announce things. What exactly that people want besides crying on the internet?

Announce the very specific thing they like, the very specifc way they want.

Yep when it should obviously be the very specific thing you like the very specifc way you want right.

 Whirlwind wrote:

Companies generally spend a lot of time ensuring that they don't design things that will cannibalise their own sales from elsewhere as that just doubles your overheads but only attracts the same customer.

True. And obvious. However GW is finding itself sitting in the middle of a rapidly expanding mass of games with multiples of every genre appearing each year. Surely they want to ensure they hang onto every one of their customers. The old advantage of playing a GW game was that you could always find an opponent. As many move to other games, this is becoming less true. If combining AoS and 40k into an interchangeable system, it would in effect double the amount of gamers. As we all know, people tend to join in and play the most popular games as they can get opponents.
All my speculation ofc.

I imagine GW learnt a lot from the initial AoS flop and have turned it around. 40k is going to be massive this time around. The hype wagon already has loads interested, whereas in the past, you'd suddenly learn a new version was out barely a month before in an expanded WD advertising how awesome the new version would be. That was all.
By the time 40k comes out this time, we'll crash their servers downloading it on release day. Just hope you get the download in the first 10 mins... (No longer available)

SeanDrake wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

But what if I have a reason to buy miniatures other than crushing n00bs with the latest copy/paste netlist

What?! Heresy!
Shhhh... Wraithknights stay calm, he wasn't talking serious...obviously no other reasons exist to buy other things besides you and your little biker cousins...
I have 30 Vespids and I'm not sure if it matters that I bough them in the past or buy them now


PD: I love the people that get mad when GW don't announce anything, and then get mad too when GW announce things. What exactly that people want besides crying on the internet?

Announce the very specific thing they like, the very specifc way they want.

Yep when it should obviously be the very specific thing you like the very specifc way you want right.

Do you see me whining about them announcing 8th edition instead of general's handbook second edition?

STOP TALKING ABOUT AOS for feths sake
Also, maelstrom and eye connected now? Wouldn't be surprised to see a Huron/Abby triumvirate now.

Someone noted Huron and Abby had been removed from their WW displays not too long ago. I would not be surprised of Abby, Huron and Mortarion being the next Tri.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Someone noted Huron and Abby had been removed from their WW displays not too long ago. I would not be surprised of Abby, Huron and Mortarion being the next Tri.

Sorry yes, this is what I was referencing thanks
Wouldn't be surprised if Chaos finally got their triumvirate to usher in 8th.

Thebiggesthat wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
As someone with a physics degree, masters ongoing, a job based on software test and statistical analysis, please take that chip on your shoulder Whirlwind and insert it somewhere painful. It's absolutely nothing to do with intelligence and background. Although I'm glad it doesn't appeal to you, as you seem like a conceited ass and I can imagine nothing worse than bumping into you in a tournament.

Okay, I'm a big fan of Age of Sigmar, it's probably my favourite GW game at the moment, and I'd like to politely ask you to calm down. You're making us look bad.

I don't speak for anyone but myself, so please lay off the dramatics. I won't have some conceited bs about AoS being a game for idiots (I'm paraphrasing) on here. It's utter rubbish, and deserves the contempt I'm showing it.

Ah, well I did wonder whether I might get the over-paranoid response on this because of lack of understanding. I didn't say that, never called anyone idiots and never inferred anything about anyone. What I said specifically was that peoples views on what makes a good tactical and bad tactical game is likely to be based on an individuals make up, whether that is genetics, how you were brought up, what you learnt as a child and so on. Therefore someone's preference for tactics and what they consider strategy is likely to be based on their background and hence you are never going to get a straight answer to which games requires better strategy. I was very clear to state that those that haven't been trained in statistics (and therefore more adept in that area) *might* prefer AoS compared to someone else that had had that training because the latter can see the links easier and therefore might find it both less appealing because it is 'easier' for them as an individual. I then provided an alternative example where movement might play a factor. However it is might because it is a possible hypothesis not a statement of fact - further research would need to be undertaken to see whether there were any common factors that might apply. I didn't say that those that play AoS *are* less capable statistically. As someone trained in physics I would have assumed you could determine the difference in the language rather conclude immediately that I was stating everyone that plays AoS is an idiot (which they are not and was never stated). Just because someone has a less able brain in certain areas compared to others does not make them an idiot. you are almost certainly good at statistics but probably rubbish at undertaking brain surgery or building a house. Not being able to undertake statistics, perform brain surgery or build a house does not make someone an 'idiot'. It is a factor of their raw genetics (intelligence), training, upbringing and so on that leads to a preference for a life style job that they prefer to undertake. The same goes for wargames and how that individual interprets what strategy is and whether something is strategic in their minds eye. You need to read statements more carefully rather than jumping to the conclusion that it's an attack on those playing AoS; as a scientist I would have assumed that you would have provided a counter argument if you disagreed rather than hurl abuse across the electrons.

It was weird they never gave Chaos (the main antagonists in GS) a tri set, obviously they are saving the best till last.

Now these are 3 characters I would love to see in a new and shiny form.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

But what if I have a reason to buy miniatures other than crushing n00bs with the latest copy/paste netlist

As someone who mostly plays 40k just when I'm looking for casual stuff, gotta' say, I agree with Pariah. I don't care about perfectly optimizing everything, or even keeping up with anything particularly well. However, there are some options that you just regret. As much as plasma pistols are a fun aesthetic, they're currently just terribly overpriced compared to equivalent choices. You don't need to be power gaming to want to avoid trash options.

There are, of course, people with no interest in gaming, but they'd still be affected to the degree that they're not interested in rapidly outdated kits. Which also affects selling price/ability to move their kits if they're interested in trading or selling in the future if they get bored with a collection.

So, it really only doesn't affect people who have little-to-no interest in game mechanics; who like a specific model design enough that they wouldn't care if it got replaced with a potentially cooler kit; and who aren't considering the value of their collection.

Join me in reporting everyone who is off topic AoS posting

 unmercifulconker wrote:
It was weird they never gave Chaos (the main antagonists in GS) a tri set, obviously they are saving the best till last.

Now these are 3 characters I would love to see in a new and shiny form.

Yes, it would make sense if they were saving them to usher in 8th edition, to increase hype etc.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
It was weird they never gave Chaos (the main antagonists in GS) a tri set, obviously they are saving the best till last.

Now these are 3 characters I would love to see in a new and shiny form.

Would also be a nice opportunity to give some legions new characters, since AL, NL, IW, WB all have no named characters and only NL and IW even have unique kits (outside of FW).

Though, I certainly wouldn't be sad if some of the uglier CSM characters were replaced.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:

Companies generally spend a lot of time ensuring that they don't design things that will cannibalise their own sales from elsewhere as that just doubles your overheads but only attracts the same customer.

True. And obvious. However GW is finding itself sitting in the middle of a rapidly expanding mass of games with multiples of every genre appearing each year. Surely they want to ensure they hang onto every one of their customers. The old advantage of playing a GW game was that you could always find an opponent. As many move to other games, this is becoming less true. If combining AoS and 40k into an interchangeable system, it would in effect double the amount of gamers. As we all know, people tend to join in and play the most popular games as they can get opponents.
All my speculation ofc.

Yeah understand it's speculation, but possibly testable so not unreasonable to state. The question would then be how many people already play both AoS and 40k. If there is little crossover than yes it potentially doubles the numbers of players both ways, however if the opposite is true and the cross over is already there then, assuming a fixed luxury expenditure per annum then GW could find that players just drift to the most popular game over time (it won't happen overnight) as you can concentrate funds on the one game not both and they both give similar experiences. The benefit to GW is if gamers have extra money burning a hole in their pocket that they aren't spending, but I think for most people there is likely to be an overall limit they are likely to want to spend in a year and if GW are already capturing this then I'm not sure what they expect to gain by having two system that are the same (assuming they are at this point, because we don't have all the details of 40k 8th yet).

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Someone noted Huron and Abby had been removed from their WW displays not too long ago. I would not be surprised of Abby, Huron and Mortarion being the next Tri.

I would be surprised if it's Mortarion; but wouldn't be surprised to see a new named character introduced from one of the other Legions.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

But what if I have a reason to buy miniatures other than crushing n00bs with the latest copy/paste netlist

As someone who mostly plays 40k just when I'm looking for casual stuff, gotta' say, I agree with Pariah. I don't care about perfectly optimizing everything, or even keeping up with anything particularly well. However, there are some options that you just regret. As much as plasma pistols are a fun aesthetic, they're currently just terribly overpriced compared to equivalent choices. You don't need to be power gaming to want to avoid trash options.

There are, of course, people with no interest in gaming, but they'd still be affected to the degree that they're not interested in rapidly outdated kits. Which also affects selling price/ability to move their kits if they're interested in trading or selling in the future if they get bored with a collection.

So, it really only doesn't affect people who have little-to-no interest in game mechanics; who like a specific model design enough that they wouldn't care if it got replaced with a potentially cooler kit; and who aren't considering the value of their collection.

I'm pretty sure a standard Marine with a Bolter is still going to be ok. I understand being wary of special weapons, or even Heavy Weapons, but standard infantry, of just about any army, will not change much.

I'm still putting Assault Cannons on my Cataphractii regardless of changes though, as it is awesome.

What do you mean “3 ways to play”?
We realise that people like to play Warhammer 40,000 in different ways. 3 broad systems are covered in the new edition: 1) Open play is the most flexible, and easiest to get started with, allowing you to use any miniatures you like. 2) Narrative play is where you can refight the iconic battles of the 41st Millennium, or create your own campaigns and sagas. 3) Matched play is designed for more balanced and competitive games, ideal for gaming clubs, leagues and tournaments. However you want to enjoy playing Warhammer 40,000, there will be rules for that.

So what do you think these different modes of play might look like?

Do we have any examples of GW using this approach in another game?

A source of information about what this might be like in an actual published form?

No.. that would be off topic

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
You'd have to be a complete moron to go out and buy anything for any faction until they release the new edition and army rules.
Gw should be taking a sizable hit until then, hope they thought about that since they openly said all books will be invalidated with the new system. In other words, stupid people come buy stuff and assemble things that may not be great lol

But what if I have a reason to buy miniatures other than crushing n00bs with the latest copy/paste netlist

As someone who mostly plays 40k just when I'm looking for casual stuff, gotta' say, I agree with Pariah. I don't care about perfectly optimizing everything, or even keeping up with anything particularly well. However, there are some options that you just regret. As much as plasma pistols are a fun aesthetic, they're currently just terribly overpriced compared to equivalent choices. You don't need to be power gaming to want to avoid trash options.

There are, of course, people with no interest in gaming, but they'd still be affected to the degree that they're not interested in rapidly outdated kits. Which also affects selling price/ability to move their kits if they're interested in trading or selling in the future if they get bored with a collection.

So, it really only doesn't affect people who have little-to-no interest in game mechanics; who like a specific model design enough that they wouldn't care if it got replaced with a potentially cooler kit; and who aren't considering the value of their collection.

First of all, we don't even know what plasma weaponry is going to do in the new edition, let alone how much they'll cost. I like painting and modeling, I also like game mechanics. And you know whats terribly overpriced compared to equivalent choices in other books? The entire ork codex. Are all ork players foolish for collecting orks? I think building marines with plasma guns should be the least of anyone's worries.

We don't even know if the current 'non-trash' meta of grav spam biker deathstars will be even functional in the newer edition, so who are we to say whats bad or not?

Rules come and go. But as I use all my miniatures in other systems normally I have 0 problems buying GW miniatures with 0 use in the "competitive" play of their systems.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
As someone with a physics degree, masters ongoing, a job based on software test and statistical analysis, please take that chip on your shoulder Whirlwind and insert it somewhere painful. It's absolutely nothing to do with intelligence and background. Although I'm glad it doesn't appeal to you, as you seem like a conceited ass and I can imagine nothing worse than bumping into you in a tournament.

Wow, I hope the air is breathable up there.... in fact YOU sound like the kind of person I would never want to run into anywhere. When you meet a stranger do you tell him all this stuff also? Do you start off your conversation with where you went to school and what degrees you have? Do you point out all the madeupism's also in all science fiction that just couldn't exist in 'Real Physics and Science'?

I dislike AoS also. I have played the game and it's not for me. I also dislike the way 40k has been going since the tail end of 5th edition. I really disliked 6th and 7th edition 40k. Funny story tho I LOVE 30k. I love the FW models, I love the fluff, I love everything about the Heresy ( except for the fact that the BL books have been dragging on WAY to long but we all knew they where going to flog that horse until it was well and dead right ).

If the new 8th edition makes for a more streamlined game I am all for it. If it brings in more people then leave the system I am all for it. I use to HATE GW. I mean really hate GW I worked there I know all the BS and shenanigans that go on behind the scenes. It's horrible and I am so glad that I am out of there. But their change in communication policies over the last year or so have slowly softened me to GW. I mean when Adeptus Titanicus comes back out shut up and take my money GW!!!

I will give them credit where it's due. They have done a remarkable turnaround since Kirby stepped down. Whodathunked it that communicating with your fan base could bring positive results... or at least giving the appearance of communicating with them. When I left GW I told myself I wouldn't support them anymore ( FW is it's own beast and even then I've been buying most FW off of Ebay) but even I have started to change my way of thinking with GW. If they can get me a jaded 27 year vet of 40k/epic/GW even considering giving them money again...well done GW.

I started in 4th edition did not really follow the rules unless I was in a GW, stopped in 5th Ed really enjoyed those rules, then I stopped now I have come back to 7th Ed played a few games on TTS and it was not fun I like all of the special rules it's what makes each army unique.

But there's just to Many rules games take 4 hours at time I don't have that amount of time I have just bought the ork codex two weeks ago to be told by my local GW guy that it's no longer of use ..... guess what I don't care
Get rid of the system and start again AOS its ass, I don't care out winning I play orks I'm used to it as long as my boys are beautifully painted and blowing stuff up I'm having fun.

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 Don Savik wrote:
First of all, we don't even know what plasma weaponry is going to do in the new edition, let alone how much they'll cost. (...) We don't even know if the current 'non-trash' meta of grav spam biker deathstars will be even functional in the newer edition, so who are we to say whats bad or not?

That's exactly my point. I was using the plasma pistol reference as a problem that the entire 3-7th edition has suffered from. Maybe they'll buff plasma pistols to reasonable and power weapons will be overpriced trash. Maybe Centurions will be out an terminators will be in. Maybe it'll be like AOS where AFAIK some upgrades are objectively better and free, and all your chainsword sergeants will be stupid when you can get free power swords.

Personally, I'm not buying anything and will be painting things I've built rather than assembling new characters, between now and the new edition drop.

 davou wrote:
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Any of the material on our site may be out of date at any given time, and we are under no obligation to update such material.

It's pretty common from what I've seen.