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Well, to be fair, psykers are supposed to be walking levels of destruction. Able to summon storms and wipe out armies.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I had a right moan about lasguns, boltguns, and of course flak armour

and I'm still unconvinced by them

Enlighten me, please.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Psychic pahse looks good - no more warp charge dice nonsence

Wierd that non psychic races getting psychic stuff unless its otehr stuff that acts like psychic?

Mortal Wounds ingnoring Invulnable - ah now thats a shame. There are plenty of AOS units that can save or ignore Mortal wounds, hopefully 40k has the same.

As somebody once said, magic is indistinguishable from advanced science, so perhaps the Tau 'physic' powers is nothing more them using, er, advanced science

It would fit in with the Tau background.

There was a Babylon 5 episode with those techno mages? The name escapes me, and that theme cropped up in it.

So yeah, I'd buy the Tau having 'psychic' powers.

This is essentially how Tyranids have workes for the last 3 editions, so no problems there

Requizen wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Mortal Wounds though... urgh... This I don't like. They have all the same scalability problems as D weapons. I'd hope they'd be used extremely sparingly, but given that the standard psychic power accessible by everyone already dishes them out, the prospects won't look good...

I thought when I read that "Oh, like the flamethrower."... NOPE, that was D6 auto-hits for the "unit".
This is basically auto-wounds to a unit with no saves of any kind.
Potentially scrape 3 or 6 one wound guys out of a unit or 3 or 6 wounds from a big model... yeowch!
This is the new D-weapon, that new rule is mortally offensive!

Wait, I thought in the Weapon section it said that wounds don't spill over. i.e., a 3 Wound weapon hitting a unit of single-wound models will only kill one model.

If that's the case, Smite is only scary against big things. Or maybe Psychics work differently.

My best guess is that Mortal Wounds will spill over. Or that it depends on the wording. This one says: "D3 MW to the unit." Maybe another will say: "D3 MW to a model."

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Updated Warzones"

Ah, so we are getting 40K versions of AoS's Realms.

Goody.

Yeah, Warzone Valedor, Warzone Pandorax and Warzone Armaggeddon all came after Age of Sigmar's publication and were totally influenced by the concept of the Realms.

/s

Requizen wrote:

Wait, I thought in the Weapon section it said that wounds don't spill over. i.e., a 3 Wound weapon hitting a unit of single-wound models will only kill one model.

If that's the case, Smite is only scary against big things. Or maybe Psychics work differently.

The power says unit in it's description, so it could easily be different than the basic rule. It's even possible different powers will target a model and not a unit.

Really not understanding the big deal with mortal wounds. I would assume things that utilize the mechanic are rare and expensive. I mean so far look at smite, it targets the closest thing lol, you need to successfully cast it, not have it unbound/dispelled THEN it's only d3 wounds the majority of the time... WOW, super broken lol. It looks like archane bolt from AoS, I would guess everyone can use smite by defalt, there is probably a power the same as mystic shield that everyone can use too.

I mean we just played through 20 years where 95% of the units in the game had no save from AP2 and suddenly this mechanic is cancer?!

I like it, it allows for more devastating attacks while not even coming CLOSE to D or stomps now, so hearing the comparisons is laughable. A mortal wound or 2 here and there is nothing compared to removed from play. Remember lots of wounds are a thing now, a marine character could have 5 wounds on average.

Oh and another laugh at the guy saying wraith guard with D-scythes wioll do d6 mortal wounds each... LOL. You have no idea what ANY elday unit of weapon does yet and porting the stuff over from 7th with no alteration is silly.

Its concerning because its actually better than current D (which is only on a roll of a 6 to ignore inv), and in the back of our mind I'm sure some of us are thinking please GW dont give this to wraith weaponry.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Really not understanding the big deal with mortal wounds. I would assume things that utilize the mechanic are rare and expensive. I mean so far look at smite, it targets the closest thing lol, you need to successfully cast it, not have it unbound/dispelled THEN it's only d3 wounds the majority of the time... WOW, super broken lol. It looks like archane bolt from AoS, I would guess everyone can use smite by defalt, there is probably a power the same as mystic shield that everyone can use too.

I mean we just played through 20 years where 95% of the units in the game had no save from AP2 and suddenly this mechanic is cancer?!

I like it, it allows for more devastating attacks while not even coming CLOSE to D or stomps now, so hearing the comparisons is laughable. A mortal wound or 2 here and there is nothing compared to removed from play. Remember lots of wounds are a thing now, a marine character could have 5 wounds on average.

Oh and another laugh at the guy saying wraith guard with D-scythes wioll do d6 mortal wounds each... LOL. You have no idea what ANY elday unit of weapon does yet and porting the stuff over from 7th with no alteration is silly.

Also look at the relative ranges of the abilities, 18" cast range means you pretty much have to get into unbinding range to use it.

So, the psychic phase appears to be working pretty much identical to AoS. An example of this can be seen on the Lord of Change. Who will probably have the same abilities in 40k.




If you replace the word Wizard with Sorcerer. And Arcane Bolt with Smite.
You would pretty much have the rules for Lord of Change.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I had a right moan about lasguns, boltguns, and of course flak armour

and I'm still unconvinced by them

Enlighten me, please.

My arguments are on page 70 something

I won't repeat them again. They're on the record for anybody who wants to read them.

So... I'm assuming that psychic "heavy" units, ie Librarius Conclave, Magnus, Eldrad, etc... would have some sort of bonus to make it easier to cast?

Wonder how that would look...

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


As somebody once said, magic is indistinguishable from advanced science, so perhaps the Tau 'physic' powers is nothing more them using, er, advanced science

It would fit in with the Tau background.

There was a Babylon 5 episode with those techno mages? The name escapes me, and that theme cropped up in it.

So yeah, I'd buy the Tau having 'psychic' powers.

All well and good, but they would still have to interact with the warp in some way. Perhaps some new Tau research will unveil a solution.

Tyranids don't use the warp, though?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


As somebody once said, magic is indistinguishable from advanced science, so perhaps the Tau 'physic' powers is nothing more them using, er, advanced science

It would fit in with the Tau background.

There was a Babylon 5 episode with those techno mages? The name escapes me, and that theme cropped up in it.

So yeah, I'd buy the Tau having 'psychic' powers.

All well and good, but they would still have to interact with the warp in some way. Perhaps some new Tau research will unveil a solution.

Tyranids don't use the warp, though?

eh? Shadow of the Warp?

They're casters too...

Not sure if this has been covered but do we know (or based on AoS) if psychic powers are random still?

whembly wrote:So... I'm assuming that psychic "heavy" units, ie Librarius Conclave, Magnus, Eldrad, etc... would have some sort of bonus to make it easier to cast?

Wonder how that would look...

Mm, so psychic aside, there should be another FAQ stream today, right? How far off is that?

secretForge wrote:
Its concerning because its actually better than current D (which is only on a roll of a 6 to ignore inv), and in the back of our mind I'm sure some of us are thinking please GW dont give this to wraith weaponry.

It actually isn't, like at all. D weapons sucked against the average joe, they were no more threatening then a las canon, nothing has changed here. Only now you consistently might do more damage to big scary things BUT YOU NEVER REMOVE THEM ENTIRELY IN ONE SHOT! Major difference here. You also need to consider everything is getting more wounds, so which is worse, a wraith knight that can be hit with D and 16% of the time is flat out removed with no chance of survival OR a wraith knight with 15 wounds that takes D3 wounds without save?

Today is supposed to be the live QA with GW? Do we know what time it is?

v0iddrgn wrote:
Not sure if this has been covered but do we know (or based on AoS) if psychic powers are random still?

AoS you get to choose whether they are random or not. Most tournament have you choose your powers at the beginning of the tournament and keep it for the whole thing.

It basically works like wargear.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Really not understanding the big deal with mortal wounds. I would assume things that utilize the mechanic are rare and expensive. I mean so far look at smite, it targets the closest thing lol, you need to successfully cast it, not have it unbound/dispelled THEN it's only d3 wounds the majority of the time... WOW, super broken lol. It looks like archane bolt from AoS, I would guess everyone can use smite by defalt, there is probably a power the same as mystic shield that everyone can use too.

Can someone explain what mortal wounds actually do in AOS? Do they just completely ignore saves? Cause a dX number of wounds? Is it an always "on" ability or does it need to be activated on a roll of a 6 like a stomp? All of the above? None of the above? I'm getting bits and pieces along with speculation and a bit of conflicting info from various posts on the past two pages but nothing all in one spot.

 whembly wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


As somebody once said, magic is indistinguishable from advanced science, so perhaps the Tau 'physic' powers is nothing more them using, er, advanced science

It would fit in with the Tau background.

There was a Babylon 5 episode with those techno mages? The name escapes me, and that theme cropped up in it.

So yeah, I'd buy the Tau having 'psychic' powers.

All well and good, but they would still have to interact with the warp in some way. Perhaps some new Tau research will unveil a solution.

Tyranids don't use the warp, though?

eh? Shadow of the Warp?

They're casters too...

I haven't read the background fluff in-depth for years.

I always thought that like Orks, the more Tyranids, the more energy is generated, which is then channelled into psychic energy and controlling the smaller creatures etc etc.

What the dakka do I know?

Hi warhammer tv. I know it's too late now but this system is essentially the same as the old system, but with a set value you roll above rather than beneath. That system was changed to the current warp charge system, which was bad to say the least (incidentally that was also from a prior fantasy system that didn't work properly). To my point, you will come across a lot of issues as you carry this new system on, I urge your designers to look at the prior systems and see why they didn't work, the best "magic" phase that has been made so far was the 8th fantasy one, This "new" system will work mechanically but it will have the same problems the ones from 3rd, 4th and 5th had.

Hey Tony - that's good feedback and we shall indeed pass it on

At least i got a reply

changemod wrote:

whembly wrote:So... I'm assuming that psychic "heavy" units, ie Librarius Conclave, Magnus, Eldrad, etc... would have some sort of bonus to make it easier to cast?

Wonder how that would look...

Mm, so psychic aside, there should be another FAQ stream today, right? How far off is that?

They said there would be another FAQ stream, but I don't think they ever announced when it would happen. I have no idea where people got the idea it was today.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


As somebody once said, magic is indistinguishable from advanced science, so perhaps the Tau 'physic' powers is nothing more them using, er, advanced science

It would fit in with the Tau background.

There was a Babylon 5 episode with those techno mages? The name escapes me, and that theme cropped up in it.

So yeah, I'd buy the Tau having 'psychic' powers.

All well and good, but they would still have to interact with the warp in some way. Perhaps some new Tau research will unveil a solution.

Tyranids don't use the warp, though?

eh? Shadow of the Warp?

They're casters too...

I haven't read the background fluff in-depth for years.

I always thought that like Orks, the more Tyranids, the more energy is generated, which is then channelled into psychic energy and controlling the smaller creatures etc etc.

What the dakka do I know?

Close...

Tyranids ARE psychic beings... it's just that they're so massive in the their swarm, that their presence creates a "shadow" in the warp that makes other psyhic being's life a wee bit difficult.

Orks' gestalt presence is derived from their Waaagh... that is, the bigger the brawl, the more potent orks (and their warphead) tend to be.

 whembly wrote:
So... I'm assuming that psychic "heavy" units, ie Librarius Conclave, Magnus, Eldrad, etc... would have some sort of bonus to make it easier to cast?

Wonder how that would look...

Judging by how the most spell-heavy army in AoS (Disciples of Tzeentch) works, it'll be a mixture of things. The Lord of Change, for example, grants everyone friendly wizard around it (including itself) a flat bonus to casting and dispelling roles. The Lord of Change itself can also change the lower die on its roll to match the higher die (so, if the LoC rolled a 6 and a 1, it'd cast at a 13 (12+1)). The army also has other units that can offer similar flat bonuses to spellcasting, either inherently or through spells of their own.

 warboss wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Really not understanding the big deal with mortal wounds. I would assume things that utilize the mechanic are rare and expensive. I mean so far look at smite, it targets the closest thing lol, you need to successfully cast it, not have it unbound/dispelled THEN it's only d3 wounds the majority of the time... WOW, super broken lol. It looks like archane bolt from AoS, I would guess everyone can use smite by defalt, there is probably a power the same as mystic shield that everyone can use too.

Can someone explain what mortal wounds actually do in AOS? Do they just completely ignore saves? Cause a dX number of wounds? Is it an always "on" ability or does it need to be activated on a roll of a 6 like a stomp? All of the above? None of the above? I'm getting bits and pieces along with speculation and a bit of conflicting info from various posts on the past two pages but nothing all in one spot.

Mortal Wounds ignore wounds. Sometimes they proc on a dice roll, other times they are automatic. There are abilities that ignore them, such as Nurgle Daemeons with Disgustingly Resilient, which ignore any wounds on a 6.

The worry with D-Scyhes is that they will be similar to a Stormfiend's Warpfire Thrower which currently outputs 2D6 Mortal Wounds to a unit within 8". They're big in the meta as a Chaos unit called Sayl can effectively "throw" them across the board as a spell. That said, they don't work so well against tarpits, or split deployment.

 Formosa wrote:
Hi warhammer tv. I know it's too late now but this system is essentially the same as the old system, but with a set value you roll above rather than beneath. That system was changed to the current warp charge system, which was bad to say the least (incidentally that was also from a prior fantasy system that didn't work properly). To my point, you will come across a lot of issues as you carry this new system on, I urge your designers to look at the prior systems and see why they didn't work, the best "magic" phase that has been made so far was the 8th fantasy one, This "new" system will work mechanically but it will have the same problems the ones from 3rd, 4th and 5th had.

Hey Tony - that's good feedback and we shall indeed pass it on

At least i got a reply

8th edition fantasy magic phase was the best? Hmmm... I assume that if for best you value a overpowered destruction values and all of that...

Brian888 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
So... I'm assuming that psychic "heavy" units, ie Librarius Conclave, Magnus, Eldrad, etc... would have some sort of bonus to make it easier to cast?

Wonder how that would look...

Judging by how the most spell-heavy army in AoS (Disciples of Tzeentch) works, it'll be a mixture of things. The Lord of Change, for example, grants everyone friendly wizard around it (including itself) a flat bonus to casting and dispelling roles. The Lord of Change itself can also change the lower die on its roll to match the higher die (so, if the LoC rolled a 6 and a 1, it'd cast at a 13 (12+1)). The army also has other units that can offer similar flat bonuses to spellcasting, either inherently or through spells of their own.

That'd be great... I'm very optimistic about this now!

 warboss wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Really not understanding the big deal with mortal wounds. I would assume things that utilize the mechanic are rare and expensive. I mean so far look at smite, it targets the closest thing lol, you need to successfully cast it, not have it unbound/dispelled THEN it's only d3 wounds the majority of the time... WOW, super broken lol. It looks like archane bolt from AoS, I would guess everyone can use smite by defalt, there is probably a power the same as mystic shield that everyone can use too.

Can someone explain what mortal wounds actually do in AOS? Do they just completely ignore saves? Cause a dX number of wounds? Is it an always "on" ability or does it need to be activated on a roll of a 6 like a stomp? All of the above? None of the above? I'm getting bits and pieces along with speculation and a bit of conflicting info from various posts on the past two pages but nothing all in one spot.

So, everything in AoS has a save value (for example, a unit may have a 4+ save value). Rend can reduce that save (an attack from a -1 rend weapon reduces that save, effectively, to a 5+). Mortal wounds bypass the save completely; they're automatically applied to the model. HOWEVER, some models (such as Plaguebearers) have a "save-after-the-save" that they can take to cancel mortal wounds or wounds they otherwise would have suffered from failing their save roll. A Plaguebearer, for example, cancels a wound it suffers, whether it's a mortal wound or just a wound from a failed normal save, on a straight 5+.

 DynamicCalories wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Really not understanding the big deal with mortal wounds. I would assume things that utilize the mechanic are rare and expensive. I mean so far look at smite, it targets the closest thing lol, you need to successfully cast it, not have it unbound/dispelled THEN it's only d3 wounds the majority of the time... WOW, super broken lol. It looks like archane bolt from AoS, I would guess everyone can use smite by defalt, there is probably a power the same as mystic shield that everyone can use too.

Can someone explain what mortal wounds actually do in AOS? Do they just completely ignore saves? Cause a dX number of wounds? Is it an always "on" ability or does it need to be activated on a roll of a 6 like a stomp? All of the above? None of the above? I'm getting bits and pieces along with speculation and a bit of conflicting info from various posts on the past two pages but nothing all in one spot.

Mortal Wounds ignore wounds. Sometimes they proc on a dice roll, other times they are automatic. There are abilities that ignore them, such as Nurgle Daemeons with Disgustingly Resilient, which ignore any wounds on a 6.

The worry with D-Scyhes is that they will be similar to a Stormfiend's Warpfire Thrower which currently outputs 2D6 Mortal Wounds to a unit within 8". They're big int he meta as a Chaos unit called Sayl can effectively "throw" them across the board as a spell. That siad, they don't work so well against tarpits, or split deployment.

Yeah they're a type of DAMAGE not a type of weapon or attack.