Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Yeach if those paltry few ork symbols represent ork territory it appears they got heavily culled back. 7th codex had lots of green all over the galaxy and fluff has said for years that orks held the most territory even over the Imperium. What I'm seeing isn't even 1/5 the territory previously shown in or control

I've never heard or seen it stated that Orks control even a tenth as much territory as the IoM. There are some very populace ork planets, a number of small kingdoms scattered about. Throughout the area the IoM controls, there are orks everywhere. You might find few orks on the south continent of an IoM planet; an ork planet in an otherwise IoM system; and maybe an ork system in a largely IoM star cluster, but IoM reigns supreme.

 Exergy wrote:

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Yeach if those paltry few ork symbols represent ork territory it appears they got heavily culled back. 7th codex had lots of green all over the galaxy and fluff has said for years that orks held the most territory even over the Imperium. What I'm seeing isn't even 1/5 the territory previously shown in or control

I've never heard or seen it stated that Orks control even a tenth as much territory as the IoM. There are some very populace ork planets, a number of small kingdoms scattered about. Throughout the area the IoM controls, there are orks everywhere. You might find few orks on the south continent of an IoM planet; an ork planet in an otherwise IoM system; and maybe an ork system in a largely IoM star cluster, but IoM reigns supreme.

it depends what you mean by controls. for one thing, an aweful lot of worlds in the IoM have native ork populations. they're like the cockroaches of 40k, hard to kill and show up everywhere

They didn't "forget" some of the wellknwon IG "worlds" , so
But where are the IronHands, RavenGuard, WhiteScars ?

I'll have to retract that statement for the time being. I strictly remember my eyes seeing that Orks were 'the most successful race in the galaxy ... control the most systems'. But I skimmed through all my owned official sources of fluff and can't find it. I have to presume the source is questionable until found.

I'll wager it had something to do with fa/tg/uys.

Oh it's definitely a part of the lore. It's not just a /tg/ thing.

There are some 1st founding chapter home worlds missing.

Raven Guard- Deliverance
Iron Hands- Medusa
White Scars- Chogoris

Are they destroyed? Or just did not make the final print?

they may just not be seen as important. can't ut everything there./

The warp storms look like a cancer spreading over the galaxy... guess that's kind of the point of Chaos eh?

well they said it was going to shift on a more 'space marines vs chaos marines' mainly .. so leaving out xenos stuff is not surprising ...

Here is a link to a color corrected version of the map, so it's 50% less like eye cancer:

http://imgur.com/r/Warhammer40k/uguc5



Seriously rain upvotes on this guy cause he is doing the emperor's work.

This map is even less readable, everything is greenish/bluish
I quite like this new GW map, I would llike to know more

I find it far easier to read.

The Crons have taken/surrounded Kar Duniash? - isnt that Segmentum Ultimas primary fleet HQ?
Some fight thats gonna be.....

 Ratius wrote:
The Crons have taken/surrounded Kar Duniash? - isnt that Segmentum Ultimas primary fleet HQ?
Some fight thats gonna be.....

I think it already fell, once again this is just a map to the interesting points for early in 8th ed fluff, rather than trying to be a complete map. An interesting thing is that we already knew the borders of Sautek territory, from the map of the awakening dynasties (via GW):



The interesting question is why it's included on this map, my guess is it's a map of the main antagonist for the early 8th ed fluff, chaos in the galactic west, and Necrons in the galactic east. There are also hints of future story points, like the fact that craft worlds are missing in their entirety. My bet on that is the craft worlds are doing something interesting, like gathering in a central location to link their infinity circuits. The more mundane option is I've always been too quick to break out the tin foil hat, and they added the Necrons because the galactic east looked to plain without them. Still interesting times.

Good catch, forgot that earlier map.
Pity there wasnt a cool fluff piece to accompany that battle.
Or perhaps there will be.....

Where did all the Ork Empires go? The Ork Codex definitely indicated large segments of Space Under Orkish primary control or influence.

Imotekh is doing well for himself I see. Although why did all the other Dynasties vanish?

I'd assumed this map cannot actually be indicative of what the state of the galaxy is. Or at least I hope it isn't.

If a strong enough Waagh is called then a huge number of Orks will leave their empires and hop on rocks, space hulks, ships etc to join in so their empires are going to be fairly dynamic now we're not looking at a static galaxy

and with most of them leaving an area (except for those to weak and puny to fight for a place in the fleets) their old territory can fall under new ownership

 ProwlerPC wrote:
I'll have to retract that statement for the time being. I strictly remember my eyes seeing that Orks were 'the most successful race in the galaxy ... control the most systems'. But I skimmed through all my owned official sources of fluff and can't find it. I have to presume the source is questionable until found.

I'll wager it had something to do with fa/tg/uys.

In 4the ed rulebook the orc entry said that "If the orcs where ever to truly unite then no force in the galaxy would be able to stop them". It also covered a bit on how numerous they are, though no exact numbers (which is the best way to go really). Since you litteraly have to burn the ground in as far a radius a wind can carry microscopic spores orcs, once infesting a place, are all but impossible to get rid of. Orcs are everywhere, and orc empire arise and collapse constantly.

Quick question... I know it's SPACE and not an ocean, but that huge tear that spans across the segmentums, is that blocking travel?

I get the impression reinforcements have to go around now to get there.

I would be presuming it is blocking a lot of warp travel.. and there appears to be only 2 safe corridors through it one in the north west and one in the south east..

Baal is effectively cut off from help with a Hive Fleet bearing down apon it.. Feel sorry for them blood Angels, they will make some tasty snacks

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If a strong enough Waagh is called then a huge number of Orks will leave their empires and hop on rocks, space hulks, ships etc to join in so their empires are going to be fairly dynamic now we're not looking at a static galaxy

and with most of them leaving an area (except for those to weak and puny to fight for a place in the fleets) their old territory can fall under new ownership

Not really. Several of the Ork Empires have lasted centuries. Charadon Empire is said to be as old as the Imperium in fluff before, and Octarius has been active for long too. Besides even if you were to argue the 'non-static' nature of Orkish hegemony, that still wouldn't explain why according to the current map (compared to the previous Ork codex map) Orkish activity as near vanished from the galaxy.

Similarly it wouldn't explain the vanishing of Necron Dynasties in mass. Or Crafworlds.

As I said I assume, and hope, that this map far from represents an accurate picture of the entire galaxy at current.

 Ginsu33 wrote:
Quick question... I know it's SPACE and not an ocean, but that huge tear that spans across the segmentums, is that blocking travel?

I get the impression reinforcements have to go around now to get there.

EDIT. Belay that. I remember that warp tears may also be indicative of rolling warp storms in the region where its impossible to travel via warpspace.

It is probably possible to go around(above or under) the great rift. But it would a heck of a detour(possibly above or below the galactic plane), and most of the charted warp routes have been wiped out.

 Anemone wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If a strong enough Waagh is called then a huge number of Orks will leave their empires and hop on rocks, space hulks, ships etc to join in so their empires are going to be fairly dynamic now we're not looking at a static galaxy

and with most of them leaving an area (except for those to weak and puny to fight for a place in the fleets) their old territory can fall under new ownership

Not really. Several of the Ork Empires have lasted centuries. Charadon Empire is said to be as old as the Imperium in fluff before, and Octarius has been active for long too. Besides even if you were to argue the 'non-static' nature of Orkish hegemony, that still wouldn't explain why according to the current map (compared to the previous Ork codex map) Orkish activity as near vanished from the galaxy.

Similarly it wouldn't explain the vanishing of Necron Dynasties in mass. Or Crafworlds.

As I said I assume, and hope, that this map far from represents an accurate picture of the entire galaxy at current.

GW has never released such a map, so I wouldn't worry. 40k's galaxy map are always very abstract.

 Humble Guardsman wrote:
Neat. That split right down the middle will liven things up.

I'm surprised at the tiny blob that is the Tau Empire. The Necrons seem to have made vastly superior gains in territory when compared to them, of course this isn't accounting for how densely populated that area of space is.

Well, thats not really what happened. The Necrons didn't gain any territory, its just more Tomb Worlds have reawakened since the last map. Remember the Necrons were the only sentient race billions of years in the past. They ruled the universe.

The Tau have always been tiny. Simply because their FTL engines are incapable of traveling great distances due to fuel, they're also very slow relative to true Warp Drives since they cannot enter the Warp and completely ignore the whole issue of "matter cannot exceed the speed of light". The Daemocles Gulf is basically the only point where they could leave their current sphere, but its the extreme limit of their technology at the moment.

New intel on Armageddon.

Seems like Angron is ready for round 2.

Hopefully Ghazzy is waiting for him.

ghazzy vs angron would, unless Ghazzy took some SERIOUS "Ork steroids" (Waaaghroids?) be pretty lopsided

BrianDavion wrote:
ghazzy vs angron would, unless Ghazzy took some SERIOUS "Ork steroids" (Waaaghroids?) be pretty lopsided

He has been fighting Tyranids for the past years, so who knows how powerful he got during that time.

BrianDavion wrote:
ghazzy vs angron would, unless Ghazzy took some SERIOUS "Ork steroids" (Waaaghroids?) be pretty lopsided

Isn't Ghaz THE ork? As in The Ork. I love Old Man Yarrick but I wouldn't kid myself for a second that he'd be able to tackle The Ork in one on one combat.

I think one of the pre-Heresy books mentioned Horus almost getting choked out by a massive Ork Warlord before someone intervened to save him. So we know that Orks can reach the level of mean n' green to the point where Primarchs are fair game. Daemon-boosted Primarchs? I guess we shall see.

 Humble Guardsman wrote:


I think one of the pre-Heresy books mentioned Horus almost getting choked out by a massive Ork Warlord before someone intervened to save him. So we know that Orks can reach the level of mean n' green to the point where Primarchs are fair game. Daemon-boosted Primarchs? I guess we shall see.

The Emperor, Horus and some others were fighting masses of Orks. The Emperor got separated. An Ork warboss struggled to choke the Emperor until Horus intervened and cut off it's arm. The Emperor promptly stabbed the Ork and destroyed it and all it's fellows in the rather large room so... it's still up for debate whether the Ork was truly a threat. It definitely seems unlikely that in a one on one the Ork would've had a chance.

Doesn't one of the Prime-Orks in the Beast Arises series go toe to toe with Vulkan?