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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 08:25:57
Subject: UK Politics
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Anti-piracy Officer
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The government has contributed to this by allowing 100% single faith schools, and by cutting school inspections.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 09:23:53
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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https://fta.co.uk/media/press-releases/2018/june/brexit-britain-on-the-road-to-nowhere-says-fta
Brexit Britain on the road to nowhere, says FTA
With three weeks to go until crunch Brexit talks in Brussels, the UK’s leading logistics trade body says that its confidence in Government’s ability to deliver a ‘frictionless’ Brexit that will ‘Keep Britain Trading’ with the EU is fast collapsing. The Freight Transport Association (FTA) is one of the UK’s largest and most influential industry groups, and speaks for the whole of the logistics industry.
As James Hookham, the organisation’s Deputy Chief Executive explains, the lack of progress on the industry’s key demands of government for a trade agreement, means that those in the industry charged with maintaining the country’s supply chain after Brexit are left with no means by which to operate effectively:
“Of the eight demands made in FTA’s list of essentials to ‘Keep Britain Trading’ issued at the beginning of the year, not a single one has been progressed,” he says. “Details of whether or not the country will have a Transition/Implementation Period are still unclear, there is still no decision on what Customs arrangements we will have from March 2019 onwards.
“We keep getting told that all food and agricultural exports to the Continent and Ireland will be checked at EU ports - but there is nowhere to check them, and the system to check them does not exist. We still don’t know if we will be able to employ the 43,000 truck drivers in the UK that are nationals from another member state – that’s 13% of our driver workforce! There is no clarification on whether UK drivers’ qualifications are to be recognised, so they could well be barred from driving their own vehicles on the Continent.
“But the real show stopper is that, under European law, unless an agreement is reached, there will only be 103 international haulage Permits to cover the 300,000 journeys made by British trucks to Europe each year. The logistics industry is being asked to decide who would get a Permit to Drive if there are not enough to go around – in effect, being asked to destroy the businesses of its international haulage members.”
As Mr Hookham continues, with less than 300 days to the UK’s scheduled departure from the European Union, and no progress made on trade talks, the lack of clarity over key issues is eroding the country’s invaluable trading relationships with businesses overseas, and foreign businesses based in Britain:
“All these potential barriers were thrown up by the Government’s decision to leave the Customs Union and the Single Market. In return we were promised that ‘frictionless’ trade would continue through special agreements reached with the EU. Trade talks haven’t even started. In the event of a No Deal Brexit it will be the logistics industry, which operates 24/7 365 days a year, that will have to pick up the pieces of the failure of politicians to agree. No doubt we will face the unwarranted ire of consumers and businesses if goods cannot be delivered on time.
“The industry’s frustration with the lack of progress is building daily. Logistics businesses simply cannot answer their customers’ questions about how they will move goods after Brexit. Manufacturers and retailers are losing faith and fear that post-Brexit Britain is at real risk of becoming nothing more than a series of road blocks at our ports and airports.
“What is really making our members angry is that these real, legitimate concerns are simply being dismissed by some members of the Government on the basis that it will not be in the EU’s interests to impose them. This is a reckless attitude to take and is playing chicken with crucial parts of the British economy and the livelihoods of the seven million Britons in the industry. All the evidence is that the other EU member states are recruiting hordes of border officials to enforce their rule book, regardless of the cost to their businesses and consumers. Expecting economic realism to kick in after 50 years of top-down bureaucracy is a bit of a stretch from UK politicians who have always slammed the EU for its obsession with rules and bureaucracy. The reliance on the other side blinking first is hanging the logistics industry out to dry.
“To date, all the focus has been on what the new Customs arrangements will be. But this misses the point. The real issue will be the lack of permits to allow the trucks carrying the goods to travel to the Continent in the first place. This is the trucking equivalent of the threat to the aviation sector because of the ending of Europe-wide agreements when the UK leaves the Single Market.”
Mr Hookham is adamant that Britain’s supply chain requires decisions now, in order to provide the required logistics support to the nation’s business community, but is frustrated that no decisions are being made:
“Over the past year, we have continued to push the Government on what needs to be agreed to ‘Keep Britain Trading’ after Brexit. Yet with less than ten months to go until the country is set to leave the EU, we have nothing agreed and there is every prospect of another flunked summit at the end of this month. Kicking the can down the road to October may be easy for politicians but by then the Christmas delivery season will be in full swing for the logistics sector and another four months of planning time will have been lost. Our members want to make things work, but our hands are tied. With “Armageddon” scenarios apparently being developed by Whitehall to cope with a No Deal Brexit next March even the Government seems to think it may be all over!”
FTA is hosting a one day conference, entitled Keep Britain Trading, on 20 June 2018 at 1 Great George Street, London SW1 to enable logistics operators to discuss the arrangements which need to be implemented for a smooth Brexit. Speakers will include Robin Walker MP from the Department for Exiting the EU, as well as Karen Wheeler, Director General of the Cross Government Border Delivery Group. To find out more, and book a place, please visit https://fta.co.uk/events/preparing-leaders-in-logistics-for-brexit
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 09:37:28
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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We need to go EFTA, so that we’re just stepping outside into the hallway rather than climbing out the window.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 09:43:50
Subject: UK Politics
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Anti-piracy Officer
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There was a report on Radio 4 this morning. They sent a reporter to Norway to see how the customs work going across the border with Sweden. Norway is EFTA, Sweden is EU, Norway is not in the customs union.
Private vehicles are more or less waved through. The process takes a few seconds.
Commercial lorries take longer. It takes several minutes providing the paperwork is in order in the computer system. They also have a huge scanner that you can drive the entire lorry into for an X Ray scan.
They are working on a more sophisticated system which will bring the waiting times down to near zero -- much like our proposed Max Fac system -- but it's still not finished after three years development, which included an 18-month hiatus when they halted it because it was starting to run well over budget.
Clearly we would not be able to get this in place for next March.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 11:58:23
Subject: UK Politics
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Kilkrazy wrote:There was a report on Radio 4 this morning. They sent a reporter to Norway to see how the customs work going across the border with Sweden. Norway is EFTA, Sweden is EU, Norway is not in the customs union.
Private vehicles are more or less waved through. The process takes a few seconds.
Commercial lorries take longer. It takes several minutes providing the paperwork is in order in the computer system. They also have a huge scanner that you can drive the entire lorry into for an X Ray scan.
They are working on a more sophisticated system which will bring the waiting times down to near zero -- much like our proposed Max Fac system -- but it's still not finished after three years development, which included an 18-month hiatus when they halted it because it was starting to run well over budget.
Clearly we would not be able to get this in place for next March.
But crucially, it could work if it was given enough time to be implemented right?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but May has botched this from the start. Preparing to move to EFTA is what we should have done, and sooner. It’s not perfect but it’s a compromise that would satisfy everyone except the outer edge extremists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 12:16:58
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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The Norwegians think it can work, or they wouldn't have restarted the project.
I expect it looks completely feasible in theory, but may be difficult to achieve in practice. There are a number of government computer related projects which have been abandoned over the years, some of them after implementation revealed their flaws.
That said, EFTA membership looks like the best option available. Its main drawback is the Freedom of Movement clause. It's pretty unlikely we could get back into EFTA without having to accept that. The other thing is whether the border with Eire would be soft enough.
Anyway, if we did aim to join EFTA, we should approach the Norwegians and see if we can help with their customs clearnace project because we need something like that whatever happens. (Only staying in the EU removed the need for some kind of customs system.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 12:26:58
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Kilkrazy wrote:
Anyway, if we did aim to join EFTA, we should approach the Norwegians and see if we can help with their customs clearnace project because we need something like that whatever happens. (Only staying in the EU removed the need for some kind of customs system.)
Given how frequently we tend to botch implementation of such new measures, I would think it would be in the Norwegian's best interest to keep us as far away as possible from any of their projects....
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 12:44:37
Subject: UK Politics
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Anti-piracy Officer
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I should say rejoin EFTA, because the UK was a member until we joined the EU.
However, despite our prowess in big scale IT projects, the only outcome that does not require us to have something for a customs system is to stay in the EU.
Given we are going to be (in)effective EU members until the end of Dec 2020, we've now got two and a half years to invent something that supports the decision we haven't made yet about what we want to do. We might do better to hope that Norway sorts out their new system and will sell it to us.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 13:26:18
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Courageous Grand Master
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Future War Cultist wrote:We need to go EFTA, so that we’re just stepping outside into the hallway rather than climbing out the window.
As long as we get out the EU, we can escape across the roof for all I care.
As Ronald Reagan once said, tear down that wall. Break these chains, these shackles, and get the feth out of the EU.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Kilkrazy wrote:I should say rejoin EFTA, because the UK was a member until we joined the EU.
However, despite our prowess in big scale IT projects, the only outcome that does not require us to have something for a customs system is to stay in the EU.
Given we are going to be (in)effective EU members until the end of Dec 2020, we've now got two and a half years to invent something that supports the decision we haven't made yet about what we want to do. We might do better to hope that Norway sorts out their new system and will sell it to us.
If Britain, with all its wealth and expertise, can't come up with a half-decent IT system to sort this out, we may as well call it a day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 13:29:46
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
As Ronald Reagan once said, tear down that wall. Break these chains, these shackles, and get the feth out of the EU.
That must have been one of his less publicised speeches.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 13:33:05
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Courageous Grand Master
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Graphite wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
As Ronald Reagan once said, tear down that wall. Break these chains, these shackles, and get the feth out of the EU.
That must have been one of his less publicised speeches.
The last two parts were obviously mine.
None the less, I can be accused of many things, but I've always said that I have no problem with trading with the EU.
I we had stayed in EFTA or if the EEC had stayed the EEC, instead of daydreaming about EU armies and EU foreign policy
I think we'd all be a lot better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 13:50:02
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Future War Cultist wrote:We need to go EFTA, so that we’re just stepping outside into the hallway rather than climbing out the window.
As long as we get out the EU, we can escape across the roof for all I care.
As Ronald Reagan once said, tear down that wall. Break these chains, these shackles, and get the feth out of the EU.
The irony in this statement being that it was a speech to encourage the two sides to open their doors for freedom of movement, trade, rules, legislation and so forth. So you've managed to butcher the intent on the speech completely by using it advocate for Wrexit which is for all intents and purposes the exact opposite to what Reagan was talking about.
If Britain, with all its wealth and expertise, can't come up with a half-decent IT system to sort this out, we may as well call it a day.
This is terribly naive veiw of IT systems. The issues is when you have to consider likely billions of potential different scenarios and cope with every single one of them. Inevitably even if you comprehensively asked all industries (which the Tories are doing the exact opposite of) then you will always miss some scenario. Whether that includes you taking your own caravan to the France to set up as a holiday home, to reel of copper cable, to a car where the overall components have to be considered as to whether they can included in the free trade agreement and who is responsible for the information's accuracy. An ANPR camera on the motorway just won't cut it. We already have major traffic/port difficulties. Even a few minutes extra delays will cause extra issues. Still if the doomsday scenario does arise then Scotland will run out of fuel and food first apparently.
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 14:07:54
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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..the gift that keeps on giving..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7bbb110a-690a-11e8-9c53-0e2cb45ebb16
Billions of pounds will be lost to the exchequer as a result of delays to key HM Revenue and Customs projects caused by Brexit, The Times can reveal.
HMRC has given MPs a list, due to be published within days, of 39 IT projects and changes that have had to be put on ice as the department focuses on how it will implement customs after Brexit.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 14:20:13
Subject: UK Politics
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Has there been any official word on what happens to UK citizens living abroad yet?
It's basically all I'm waiting for and is never mentioned! Maybe it's hidden away somewhere that I missed.
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Star Trek taught me so much. Like, how you should accept people, whether they be black, white, Klingon or even female...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 14:33:46
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Courageous Grand Master
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At any rate, I don't know why Remain supporters are that bothered by Brexit. If the latest government document is anything to go by, we're not leaving anyway.
We're looking at a 100 year transition, and the ECJ still having its say.
Automatically Appended Next Post: reds8n wrote:..the gift that keeps on giving..
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7bbb110a-690a-11e8-9c53-0e2cb45ebb16
Billions of pounds will be lost to the exchequer as a result of delays to key HM Revenue and Customs projects caused by Brexit, The Times can reveal.
HMRC has given MPs a list, due to be published within days, of 39 IT projects and changes that have had to be put on ice as the department focuses on how it will implement customs after Brexit.
I don't know how much experience you've had with the taxman, but they were useless before Brexit, useless during Brexit, and will be useless after it.
I won't go into personal details for obvious reasons, but I'm having dealings with the taxman right now, and they are fething useless. And they were fething useless 10 years ago when I a) had this problem before and b) when we were still in the EU.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 14:38:44
Subject: UK Politics
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There's a vast amount of work going on in Child Benefit just to avoid paying someone rich £20 a week.
Or not going on any more, I suppose.
No-one knows what's going to happen to UK citizens abroad or EU citizens in the UK. Probably nothing, because we've long passed the time when it was going to be remotely do-able.
Three of the ladies in my 4-desk "pod" are Euros. I've told them there's no way they are getting registered by the deadline.
If the home office/border farce start work today, they have to register an EU citizen every 7.5 seconds to finish before the end of March next year. It just isn't going to happen. People are taking things into their own hands, by applying for dual nationality and so on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 14:43:25
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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I thought all the EU citizens had left Britain to avoid being burned at the stake by rampaging mobs of UKIP supporters.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 15:31:55
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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... I don't think that happens until we carry out your insane idea to have armed citizen militias.
.. talk current that David Davis might resign ..?
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1004374635662757891
..heard that before though eh ?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-brexit-intellect-joke-negotiation-michel-barnier-eu-a8385721.html
David Davis has joked that he was not appointed to his job for “my intellect”, risking fresh accusations that he is not up to delivering Brexit.
A TV documentary on life in the European Parliament caught the Brexit Secretary’s response when he was asked if he was finding the negotiations gruelling.
“Well, I’m really probably employed for my character more than my intellect,” he replied with a chuckle.
The comment follows Mr Davis raising eyebrows last year, when he told a radio interviewer that he "doesn't have to be very clever" to do his job.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 15:43:44
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Davies is a jolly fellow, but apparently hopelessly incompetent.
Was he a Leaver? Did he not realise what a slough of despond the actual process of Brexit negotiations was going to be?
If he does resign, what kind of a signal of confidence and enthusiasm in the project does it make?
In related news, UK farmers are leaving fruit to rot in the fields because of a slump in EU seasonal labour
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 16:06:42
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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There's little value in the £ now relative to Euro. If you can be paid the same in the country you live in, then why leave to live in a more expensive country where a third of the population don't want you there anyway.
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 16:33:59
Subject: UK Politics
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I was aiming to be back in the UK by 2021, but after this whole "nazi pug" debacle, I'm not sure I want to...
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Star Trek taught me so much. Like, how you should accept people, whether they be black, white, Klingon or even female...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 17:13:28
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If Britain, with all its wealth and expertise, can't come up with a half-decent IT system to sort this out, we may as well call it a day.
So you've no experience of UK government IT projects then?
Almost always hugely over time, hugely over budget and usually completely broken. You don't get a better textbook example on how not to do IT than the UK government.
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:At any rate, I don't know why Remain supporters are that bothered by Brexit. If the latest government document is anything to go by, we're not leaving anyway.
We're looking at a 100 year transition, and the ECJ still having
Because we've wasted billions in cash and opportunity, thrown away influence and validated xenophobia to achieve the grand total of gal all. There's literally no tangible benefit now or on the horizon. We've chased highly skilled employers out of the country, tanked our currency (it's since recovered) and potentially triggered a recession. For What?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 18:19:47
Subject: UK Politics
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For Ingerland! For Sovrinteeeee!!!
And blue passports.
Which will be made in France.
Yum!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 18:53:07
Subject: UK Politics
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But we don't even gain any sovereignty. We went from making the decisions to deciding if we want to do what the EU tells us in order to continue to trade. In the latter case the choice is technically ours, just like I can choose to pay my council tax rather than deal with bailiffs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 19:05:49
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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This one is questionable. Although it recovered a bit when rumours started circulating about staying in the free market in December it is back to similar levels against the Dollar following the referendum. Combined with the high oil prices, is a soubly whamy for petrol prices (which will likely feed through into another wave of inflation).
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
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Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I've heard that people of Irish descent are entitled to Irish passports even if they weren't born in Ireland. Does France do this too? My girlfriend has a French mother, would that entitle my gf to a French passport?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 19:55:05
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:I've heard that people of Irish descent are entitled to Irish passports even if they weren't born in Ireland. Does France do this too? My girlfriend has a French mother, would that entitle my gf to a French passport?
It varies from Country to Country (and in some how much you are willing to pay). I believe in Ireland are more flexible in their allowance because of the issues of English occupation and the impacts this had on families.
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 20:05:56
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
Watch Fortress Excalibris
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Yes. Your gf would need to contact the Nationality Office in Paris to apply for a Certificate of French Nationality first. She'll need a copy of both her and her mother's birth certificates, and possibly other evidence of her mother's French citizenship.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 20:12:51
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Duskweaver wrote:
Yes. Your gf would need to contact the Nationality Office in Paris to apply for a Certificate of French Nationality first. She'll need a copy of both her and her mother's birth certificates, and possibly other evidence of her mother's French citizenship.
Yeah...Thats never going to happen. They've been estranged for 15 years.
Unless it's possible to get ahold of a parent's birth certificate without going through the parent/getting their consent?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/06/06 22:26:43
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Nasty Nob
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A tiny bit of good news...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44391449
Here's hoping his retirement is, short.
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"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984 |
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