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At school, broadly speaking we folded the Glorious Revolution into the Jacobite Rebellion module in history, I'd never heard of the"Glorious Revolution" phrase until I moved to England
And, broadly speaking, when I was learning history at school, in a time before the SNP got any real power and at a time before an Australian became the rallying symbol of hatred against the English, the Jacobite Rebellion was taught as not being a Scotland versus English thing but primarily as a symptom of changing religious beliefs and behaviours in the United Kingdom and was not treated as a Scotland / England thing at all. Indeed I remember it being pointed out that there were lowlanders in notable numbers siding against James.
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I've always believed that there's enough money out there to fund things like training bursaries. It just that a lot of it is either wasted or not collected. If the big multinationals would pay their share we'd be in a much better place. This is why we need to change the system so that taxes are collected on sales rather than territory. Say a multinational conducts 12% of its business in the U.K. It should pay UK tax on 12% of its profits. It's fair and you can't escape this with loopholes. The only way around it would be decreasing the amount of business you do in the country and what company in their right mind would do that?
Kilkrazy wrote: Recruitment of native nurse student candidates is down by half since withdrawal of the training bursary.
We also have a crisis in midwifery, and a growing crisis in general practice.
It takes about 10 years to train a GP.
So what you're saying is that investing in education is the best value for money option the government ever had because investing in people is investing in the country and the returns you get are manifold, a better health service being but one of the many benefits.
And that failure to invest in education (in the favour of propping up banks and securing tax haven Britain for big corporations who don't invest in the country) in the last 10 years (or more) is leaving a telling impact on todays NHS.
Sorry, just though that (most sensible) comment needed expounded upon. But thank goodness for those who have stepped in to the gap and kept our services running!
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While there may be further deeper reasons to the 12th those have been forgotten 300 years in the past and is now solely a hate fest and that is where the negativity of it stems from, burning pictures of people who have been murdered and the spiritual leader of an other religion doesn't exactly scream of tolerance and liberal beliefs.
In many ways it's a sign of the state of the NHS, not only is the funding for bursaries been taken away but once they do qualify what do they have to look forward too? Long tough hours with very little recognition. This has resulted in less people applying for it and many of those who have are quite a bit older than your average student (perhaps due to funding issue?) which only worsens the problem as a new nurse is required to replace them in a shorter period of time.
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: While there may be further deeper reasons to the 12th those have been forgotten 300 years in the past and is now solely a hate fest and that is where the negativity of it stems from, burning pictures of people who have been murdered and the spiritual leader of an other religion doesn't exactly scream of tolerance and liberal beliefs.
In many ways it's a sign of the state of the NHS, not only is the funding for bursaries been taken away but once they do qualify what do they have to look forward too? Long tough hours with very little recognition. This has resulted in less people applying for it and many of those who have are quite a bit older than your average student (perhaps due to funding issue?) which only worsens the problem as a new nurse is required to replace them in a shorter period of time.
That plus the PFI deals for the hospitals, they are too expensive for the trusts to run, cost huge amounts in maintaining contracts there locked into and more.
Hospitals that cost several times that original costs over life times.
Its stupid, we have hospitals on rather expensive mortgages.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: While there may be further deeper reasons to the 12th those have been forgotten 300 years in the past and is now solely a hate fest and that is where the negativity of it stems from, burning pictures of people who have been murdered and the spiritual leader of an other religion doesn't exactly scream of tolerance and liberal beliefs.
Hard to hide the I hate prods attitude. Burning symbols, photos are wrong but they happen on both sides. They are symptoms of a society emerging and still influenced by conflict.
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: While there may be further deeper reasons to the 12th those have been forgotten 300 years in the past and is now solely a hate fest and that is where the negativity of it stems from, burning pictures of people who have been murdered and the spiritual leader of an other religion doesn't exactly scream of tolerance and liberal beliefs.
Hard to hide the I hate prods attitude. Burning symbols, photos are wrong but they happen on both sides. They are symptoms of a society emerging and still influenced by conflict.
I assume you're trying to say I hate Protestants? I can honestly say I have nothing against protestants, I'll admit I strongly disagree with unionism and of course due to the past of the country it can be heated. It's the fact that you were denying the 12th was religiously motivated, which it has tuned into and that honestly cat be denied.
I'm also against the nationalist bonfires in August, genuinely think they're just as stupid and I think that marches would be ok if they were done in quite in each sides own area.
When it comes to sectarianism I'm not the one who called a paramilitary the 'greatest assassin in history' one who was a well known sectarian murderer?
Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
What's that got to do with anything? Different thread different context! The Jackel is credited with the most assisinations in our country's history. The thread was about mass murderers, so adding local context to a thread is to be expected! I doubt their are too many pleasant characters in that thread from years ago.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.
I personally believe quiet arrangements have been made and agreed on rough terms already
Not on a fill political level but civil service and Brussels civil services.
Both have agreed to some degree on things and the wider issues are for political side.
Like a few basic groundworks have been laid very quietly.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.
I personally believe quiet arrangements have been made and agreed on rough terms already
Not on a fill political level but civil service and Brussels civil services.
Both have agreed to some degree on things and the wider issues are for political side.
Like a few basic groundworks have been laid very quietly.
The groundwork starts this week. I believe various civil servants were in Brussels today meeting with their opposite numbers. It could be nothing more than booking hotels but you have to start somewhere.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Knockagh wrote: What's that got to do with anything? Different thread different context! The Jackel is credited with the most assisinations in our country's history. The thread was about mass murderers, so adding local context to a thread is to be expected! I doubt their are too many pleasant characters in that thread from years ago.
Desperate attempt to divert!
Desperate attempt to divert earlier in this thread you ignored outright evidence of the DUP support paramilitaries and just kept denying and changing the topic. the man was a serial killer who is linked with the no warning bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, I'm pretty sure if someone called the low life who committed the Manchester attack a great assassin you'd take offence and accuse them of being supportive of them.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.
I personally believe quiet arrangements have been made and agreed on rough terms already
Not on a fill political level but civil service and Brussels civil services.
Both have agreed to some degree on things and the wider issues are for political side.
Like a few basic groundworks have been laid very quietly.
The groundwork starts this week. I believe various civil servants were in Brussels today meeting with their opposite numbers. It could be nothing more than booking hotels but you have to start somewhere.
They sure have, it just turns out that May's gambit gone wrong throws a rather large spanner to the works.
Hidden in this piece you can find the following nuggets:
An EU source disclosed that Brussels had also been secretly briefing Downing Street on the 27 member states’ negotiating position for months, well ahead of it being public, to allow the government to shape its response.
“They have had everything, sometimes before senior people here have seen the positions”, the source said. “May has known about the sequencing of talks since last September. None of this has been a surprise to her.”
So it's clear that behind the posturing the negotiating teams have been at it.
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Nurses don't get paid enough, just like teaching and police. The government seem to rely a hell of a lot on people treating it as a vocation, meaning they willingly accept the long hours in return for poor pay, unrealistic demands and constant criticism. And when people working in these sectors dare to strike because the bs gets too much they stir up the right wing press against their own public services, because we must be in the wrong.
Brexit has to happen. Nigel Farage is threatening a comeback, and nobody wants to see that, and I say that as a leave voter.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.
Oh, I don't deny that. But it would be nice for people to maybe acknowledge that not all the objections posed prior to the referendum were "project fear".
The French and Germans have also realised that they are likely to be better off, politically, without our constant obstruction and irritation, which is sad tbh. However, it's not even started to get going yet, there's more to come. I hope people are ready for the gak storm.
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"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
Knockagh wrote: What's that got to do with anything? Different thread different context! The Jackel is credited with the most assisinations in our country's history. The thread was about mass murderers, so adding local context to a thread is to be expected! I doubt their are too many pleasant characters in that thread from years ago.
Desperate attempt to divert!
Desperate attempt to divert earlier in this thread you ignored outright evidence of the DUP support paramilitaries and just kept denying and changing the topic. the man was a serial killer who is linked with the no warning bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, I'm pretty sure if someone called the low life who committed the Manchester attack a great assassin you'd take offence and accuse them of being supportive of them.
I challenged your so called evidence at every turn. I voted DUP for the first time in 22 years of voting due to this kind of crap.
No i wouldn't have an issue. My reason for nominating Robin were his kill figure and that he survived to die in old age. Sorry if that's cold but it was a debate on assassins and their success. And that signals a success. Martin McGuniess was another successful assassin if you want, as was Dessie the fox. All nasty characters but successful in their field of expertise.
Howard A Treesong wrote: Nurses don't get paid enough, just like teaching and police. The government seem to rely a hell of a lot on people treating it as a vocation, meaning they willingly accept the long hours in return for poor pay, unrealistic demands and constant criticism. And when people working in these sectors dare to strike because the bs gets too much they stir up the right wing press against their own public services, because we must be in the wrong.
Agreed. Someone that can train as a nurse and all that entails can train for much better jobs and be paid more. If the support collapses for such a career in the UK then you simply aren't going to have an effective NHS. And the EU nurses should be even more worrying (and for the government terrifying). We run the risk of rapidly reducing staff numbers whilst at the same time we have an aging population and we need more of such people. Those that are left will hence then be able to go and work for consultancies and charge a fortune for their services. The anti-freedom of movement (that really won the Brexit vote overall) is really going to come home to roost on this one and we'll all suffer because of it.
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@gianlucafiorentini
Do you mind if you take this discussion to another thread as it's gone a bit far beyond the UK politics overall...
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.
Oh, I don't deny that. But it would be nice for people to maybe acknowledge that not all the objections posed prior to the referendum were "project fear".
The French and Germans have also realised that they are likely to be better off, politically, without our constant obstruction and irritation, which is sad tbh. However, it's not even started to get going yet, there's more to come. I hope people are ready for the gak storm.
I've been saying from the start that I expected some short-term pain, but ultimately, I believe the long term benefits would be worth it. A once in a 200 year opportunity to take a long hard look at Britain and plan for the future.
Sadly, I didn't count on two things happening:
1. The Tories would be so fething incompetent
2. The absence of any grand plan, and I'm talking about a new industrial revolution here. Nobody is even close. The main parties are miles away. Taking back the trains is fine, I agree with it, but it's hardly setting the world on fire.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Oh, I don't deny that. But it would be nice for people to maybe acknowledge that not all the objections posed prior to the referendum were "project fear".
The French and Germans have also realised that they are likely to be better off, politically, without our constant obstruction and irritation, which is sad tbh. However, it's not even started to get going yet, there's more to come. I hope people are ready for the shitstorm.
The French and Germans can only gain from this. The was plenty of statements saying the EU was going to collapse after a few years, but if anything Brexit is making them stronger. Compare this to the UK which was noted as could go from strength to strength with access to the world. What do we think the world thinks of us at the moment? If you were a business would you prefer the stability of the EU or the mess that the UK has got itself into which in the end has arisen because of several Tories making political moves and not doing anything in the interest of the country for now and the long term. May still is unable to acknowledge what she is doing wrong, that the populace are turning against her and her policies of being hard right and instead is desperately grasping at straws to retain power and hence joining a coalition with an even more right wing view of the world.
Looks like Boris is at it again... Opens mouth and states something stupid like the Tories winning a seat when they didn't.
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Knockagh wrote: What's that got to do with anything? Different thread different context! The Jackel is credited with the most assisinations in our country's history. The thread was about mass murderers, so adding local context to a thread is to be expected! I doubt their are too many pleasant characters in that thread from years ago.
Desperate attempt to divert!
Desperate attempt to divert earlier in this thread you ignored outright evidence of the DUP support paramilitaries and just kept denying and changing the topic. the man was a serial killer who is linked with the no warning bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, I'm pretty sure if someone called the low life who committed the Manchester attack a great assassin you'd take offence and accuse them of being supportive of them.
I challenged your so called evidence at every turn. I voted DUP for the first time in 22 years of voting due to this kind of crap.
No i wouldn't have an issue. My reason for nominating Robin were his kill figure and that he survived to die in old age. Sorry if that's cold but it was a debate on assassins and their success. And that signals a success. Martin McGuniess was another successful assassin if you want, as was Dessie the fox. All nasty characters but successful in their field of expertise.
Well you did for some and even then some was dubious such as they're talking to a different UDA, but for the bits you couldn't you ignored. Such as the DUP standing with and endorsing Billy Wright and me countering your DUP can't be related to terrorists as none of their MP's have been arrested with either have SF's and speaking of Pat Finucane.
Ok I retract what I said about the assassination I read and took it in quite a different way than that.
@DINLT
Unfortunately I think you maybe underestimating the extent of the short term pain. I personally think it's going to hit is pretty hard, and last a good long while, probably decades. I was hopeful that maybe sensible compromises maybe met, but May's extremist rhetoric, and incompetence, plus the mind boggling self interest of the Conservative party seems determined to crash the UK into the worst possible place.
I hope that at the very least this result may have blunted their arrogance and forced them to take a step back and rethink their approach.
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"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
Just seen Whirlwinds post I'll leave it at that in this thread it has gotten quite off the current topic. For people wondering why NI is so messed up this is an example of how it all escalates so fast
@ whirlwind I will gladly just stop thanks. I can't imagine anything worse than continuing this any longer. I'm off to put the girls to bed and relax. Might paint some minis tonight the wife's out.
2. The absence of any grand plan, and I'm talking about a new industrial revolution here. Nobody is even close. The main parties are miles away. Taking back the trains is fine, I agree with it, but it's hardly setting the world on fire.
This is why we need the EU. They offset our ability to lobotomise ourselves when we "take back control"
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Back on topic, the 1922 committee meeting was today and, apparently it went pretty well, all things considered for Theresa May.
There was apparently an acknowledgement of mistakes made during the campaign and on the manifesto, and, in return, an understanding that, even though the right solutions weren't in there, the issues are still needing to be addressed.
Also a confirmation there will be no watering down of the Equalities Act as a result of the DUP support.
2. The absence of any grand plan, and I'm talking about a new industrial revolution here. Nobody is even close. The main parties are miles away. Taking back the trains is fine, I agree with it, but it's hardly setting the world on fire.
This is why we need the EU. They offset our ability to lobotomise ourselves when we "take back control"
Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as big banks and multi-nationals, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.
The banks and the multi-nationals love the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to run a mile from it.
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r_squared wrote: @DINLT
Unfortunately I think you maybe underestimating the extent of the short term pain. I personally think it's going to hit is pretty hard, and last a good long while, probably decades. I was hopeful that maybe sensible compromises maybe met, but May's extremist rhetoric, and incompetence, plus the mind boggling self interest of the Conservative party seems determined to crash the UK into the worst possible place.
I hope that at the very least this result may have blunted their arrogance and forced them to take a step back and rethink their approach.
But would it be any better under Labour? Given that Corbyn's anti-EEC/EU stance has been known for decades, would you accept Corbyn as PM, knowing full well how he feels about the EU?
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Compel wrote: Back on topic, the 1922 committee meeting was today and, apparently it went pretty well, all things considered for Theresa May.
There was apparently an acknowledgement of mistakes made during the campaign and on the manifesto, and, in return, an understanding that, even though the right solutions weren't in there, the issues are still needing to be addressed.
Also a confirmation there will be no watering down of the Equalities Act as a result of the DUP support.
The 1922 meeting was a smokescreen from start to finish. Talk of replacing May in the short term is nonsense, and the Tory party knows it. If they indulged in a 3 month leadership contest, then the nation would never forgive them for sabotaging the Brexit talks. May is safe until at least the New Year IMO.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
The French and Germans can only gain from this. The was plenty of statements saying the EU was going to collapse after a few years, but if anything Brexit is making them stronger. Compare this to the UK which was noted as could go from strength to strength with access to the world. What do we think the world thinks of us at the moment? If you were a business would you prefer the stability of the EU or the mess that the UK has got itself into which in the end has arisen because of several Tories making political moves and not doing anything in the interest of the country for now and the long term. May still is unable to acknowledge what she is doing wrong, that the populace are turning against her and her policies of being hard right and instead is desperately grasping at straws to retain power and hence joining a coalition with an even more right wing view of the world.
Looks like Boris is at it again... Opens mouth and states something stupid like the Tories winning a seat when they didn't.
Absolute Rubbish. The EU cannot gain from having a country leave even if said country still pays something back. (This of course I am dead against and will be very annoyed if Brexit becomes a wishy washy soft deal that changes very little). Businesses will still flock to this country and Brexit could offer advantages over old world Europe. I hate to say it but we could become another offshore tax haven if we wanted to. This country will bounce back after the silly jitters the stock market and media create. May's error was to apply hard right to home policies when it really wasn't needed. She should have stayed centre ground in home affairs to keep things quiet and just pursue a strong national stance for Brexit.
The 1922 meeting was a smokescreen from start to finish. Talk of replacing May in the short term is nonsense, and the Tory party knows it. If they indulged in a 3 month leadership contest, then the nation would never forgive them for sabotaging the Brexit talks. May is safe until at least the New Year IMO.
Pretty much, being PM at the minute is a toxic seat, I think unless May herself gives in she will stay and endure. No sane Tory would want to usurp her and then face the flak of poor planning and jufgement for Brexit. I imagine if Labour had won Corbyn might have lost face straight away by not having himself or his party ready for running Brexit outside of hypothetical speeches in the election. Even with a slightly ruptured Conservative party I have faith they have the strongest plan and the most preparation for the commencing talks.
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The French and Germans can only gain from this. The was plenty of statements saying the EU was going to collapse after a few years, but if anything Brexit is making them stronger. Compare this to the UK which was noted as could go from strength to strength with access to the world. What do we think the world thinks of us at the moment? If you were a business would you prefer the stability of the EU or the mess that the UK has got itself into which in the end has arisen because of several Tories making political moves and not doing anything in the interest of the country for now and the long term. May still is unable to acknowledge what she is doing wrong, that the populace are turning against her and her policies of being hard right and instead is desperately grasping at straws to retain power and hence joining a coalition with an even more right wing view of the world.
Looks like Boris is at it again... Opens mouth and states something stupid like the Tories winning a seat when they didn't.
Absolute Rubbish. The EU cannot gain from having a country leave even if said country still pays something back. (This of course I am dead against and will be very annoyed if Brexit becomes a wishy washy soft deal that changes very little). Businesses will still flock to this country and Brexit could offer advantages over old world Europe. I hate to say it but we could become another offshore tax haven if we wanted to. This country will bounce back after the silly jitters the stock market and media create. May's error was to apply hard right to home policies when it really wasn't needed. She should have stayed centre ground in home affairs to keep things quiet and just pursue a strong national stance for Brexit.
The 1922 meeting was a smokescreen from start to finish. Talk of replacing May in the short term is nonsense, and the Tory party knows it. If they indulged in a 3 month leadership contest, then the nation would never forgive them for sabotaging the Brexit talks. May is safe until at least the New Year IMO.
Pretty much, being PM at the minute is a toxic seat, I think unless May herself gives in she will stay and endure. No sane Tory would want to usurp her and then face the flak of poor planning and jufgement for Brexit. I imagine if Labour had won Corbyn might have lost face straight away by not having himself or his party ready for running Brexit outside of hypothetical speeches in the election. Even with a slightly ruptured Conservative party I have faith they have the strongest plan and the most preparation for the commencing talks.
Never underestimate the Tory party's thirst for power. They won't throw it all away, not unless it's forced upon them. They'll limp along for as long as they can get away with it.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
EAT - SLEEP - FARM - REPEAT 
but you have to start somewhere.
