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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 r_squared wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.


Oh, I don't deny that. But it would be nice for people to maybe acknowledge that not all the objections posed prior to the referendum were "project fear".
The French and Germans have also realised that they are likely to be better off, politically, without our constant obstruction and irritation, which is sad tbh. However, it's not even started to get going yet, there's more to come. I hope people are ready for the shitstorm.


I've been saying from the start that I expected some short-term pain, but ultimately, I believe the long term benefits would be worth it. A once in a 200 year opportunity to take a long hard look at Britain and plan for the future.

Sadly, I didn't count on two things happening:

1. The Tories would be so fething incompetent

2. The absence of any grand plan, and I'm talking about a new industrial revolution here. Nobody is even close. The main parties are miles away. Taking back the trains is fine, I agree with it, but it's hardly setting the world on fire.
To be fair...given the kind of rhetoric surrounding the campaign, the government's position before the referrendum, the total lack of any sort of "leave" victory plan before the referrendum (particularly when coupled with the high level of interconnectivity between the UK and the EU in almost every sense but especially the single market), the razor thin "Leave" margin, and the government's subsequent push to invoke article 50 seemingly as fast as it possibly could after the referrendum, it is difficult to see where Brexit was ever going to be a once-in-a-200 year opportunity for any hard looks or future planning, given that such was clearly absent from the entire endeavor from the genesis of the campaign.

From an outsiders perspective, from start to now, it's basically come off as a Leroy Jenkins special affair



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In other news the Labour party is being sucked up in its own fakenews on twitter. Currently they stand at about 25,000 new members not 150,000 people in 3 days to a total of 800,000 as had been touted. Just thought Id let you all know.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40251890
   
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 Vaktathi wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 r_squared wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.


Oh, I don't deny that. But it would be nice for people to maybe acknowledge that not all the objections posed prior to the referendum were "project fear".
The French and Germans have also realised that they are likely to be better off, politically, without our constant obstruction and irritation, which is sad tbh. However, it's not even started to get going yet, there's more to come. I hope people are ready for the shitstorm.


I've been saying from the start that I expected some short-term pain, but ultimately, I believe the long term benefits would be worth it. A once in a 200 year opportunity to take a long hard look at Britain and plan for the future.

Sadly, I didn't count on two things happening:

1. The Tories would be so fething incompetent

2. The absence of any grand plan, and I'm talking about a new industrial revolution here. Nobody is even close. The main parties are miles away. Taking back the trains is fine, I agree with it, but it's hardly setting the world on fire.
To be fair...given the kind of rhetoric surrounding the campaign, the government's position before the referrendum, the total lack of any sort of "leave" victory plan before the referrendum (particularly when coupled with the high level of interconnectivity between the UK and the EU in almost every sense but especially the single market), the razor thin "Leave" margin, and the government's subsequent push to invoke article 50 seemingly as fast as it possibly could after the referrendum, it is difficult to see where Brexit was ever going to be a once-in-a-200 year opportunity for any hard looks or future planning, given that such was clearly absent from the entire endeavor from the genesis of the campaign.

From an outsiders perspective, from start to now, it's basically come off as a Leroy Jenkins special affair




Say what you want about Trump, but you guys in America are a beacon of stability compared to the mess we're in.

A lame duck Prime Minister propped up by evangelical Christians, France and Germany ready to kick our butts in Brexit negotiations, an economy going downhill faster than an elephant on rollerskates, and Nigel Farage threatening to come out of retirement.

We're fethed

I can see another Winter of Discontent in a few months time...

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 r_squared wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.


Oh, I don't deny that. But it would be nice for people to maybe acknowledge that not all the objections posed prior to the referendum were "project fear".
The French and Germans have also realised that they are likely to be better off, politically, without our constant obstruction and irritation, which is sad tbh. However, it's not even started to get going yet, there's more to come. I hope people are ready for the shitstorm.


I've been saying from the start that I expected some short-term pain, but ultimately, I believe the long term benefits would be worth it. A once in a 200 year opportunity to take a long hard look at Britain and plan for the future.

Sadly, I didn't count on two things happening:

1. The Tories would be so fething incompetent

2. The absence of any grand plan, and I'm talking about a new industrial revolution here. Nobody is even close. The main parties are miles away. Taking back the trains is fine, I agree with it, but it's hardly setting the world on fire.
To be fair...given the kind of rhetoric surrounding the campaign, the government's position before the referrendum, the total lack of any sort of "leave" victory plan before the referrendum (particularly when coupled with the high level of interconnectivity between the UK and the EU in almost every sense but especially the single market), the razor thin "Leave" margin, and the government's subsequent push to invoke article 50 seemingly as fast as it possibly could after the referrendum, it is difficult to see where Brexit was ever going to be a once-in-a-200 year opportunity for any hard looks or future planning, given that such was clearly absent from the entire endeavor from the genesis of the campaign.

From an outsiders perspective, from start to now, it's basically come off as a Leroy Jenkins special affair




Say what you want about Trump, but you guys in America are a beacon of stability compared to the mess we're in.

A lame duck Prime Minister propped up by evangelical Christians, France and Germany ready to kick our butts in Brexit negotiations, an economy going downhill faster than an elephant on rollerskates, and Nigel Farage threatening to come out of retirement.

We're fethed

I can see another Winter of Discontent in a few months time...

Dunno about that man... we have our own chaos here in the states.

But, hey... Pueto Ricoans just voted overwhelmingly to join as the 51st state.

Maybe ya'll need to vote as well to be the 52nd state! (or, how would that hypothetically work? A vote for each countries (England, Scotland, Wales, NI, etc...???)

Could it get any worst?


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I just found out (from watching police interceptors) that the cost of fighting the illegal drugs trade is 10 billion. How much of that is cannabis? It's pointless trying to fight it. Legalise it and tax it. And I say that as somebody who's ever touched the stuff.

See like I was saying earlier, the money is there. You just have to go look for it.
   
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 Future War Cultist wrote:
I just found out (from watching police interceptors) that the cost of fighting the illegal drugs trade is 10 billion. How much of that is cannabis? It's pointless trying to fight it. Legalise it and tax it. And I say that as somebody who's ever touched the stuff.

See like I was saying earlier, the money is there. You just have to go look for it.

True...

Take a gander at Colorado....

Colorado Topped $1 Billion in Legal Marijuana Sales in 2016
Revenue data direct from the horse's mouf.

That's a lotta jack for something that amounts to a "sin tax".

'Tis why there's a bunch of US States looking to legalize it to cover budget shortfalls.

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 Sentinel1 wrote:
In other news the Labour party is being sucked up in its own fakenews on twitter. Currently they stand at about 25,000 new members not 150,000 people in 3 days to a total of 800,000 as had been touted. Just thought Id let you all know.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40251890


That's not much of a story, seems a little desperate, grasping at straws to smear Labour with?

I also noticed a Facebook campaign earlier, being shared amongst my more militant Tory friends about the electoral commission reminding students that they can register to vote in their home town, and university constituency. It also reminded them that it is an offence to vote twice in a general election and can lead to a £5000 fine, but that's not stopped the frothing and righteous indignation.

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Somewhere in south-central England.

My next-door neighbour at lunch yesterday was convince that Labour only "won" by "cheating" by "being better" at "social media."

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
My next-door neighbour at lunch yesterday was convince that Labour only "won" by "cheating" by "being better" at "social media."


I know, it great at the moment. Most of the Facebook threads I have read recently are chock full of some right lovely people frothing at "bloody students being bribed" or "too stupid to know what's good for them".
A few I noticed were quite forthright in their opinions about the youth not voting in the EU referendum, and how they "should have made the effort to vote".

My shadenfreude meter is a smoking mess.

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 whembly wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 r_squared wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Brexit is still on. I've been listening to the mood music coming out of the parties all morning, and it's still on. Can't see how they get around it. The French, by all accounts, being French, are determined to see the UK go. The Germans have accepted it.


Oh, I don't deny that. But it would be nice for people to maybe acknowledge that not all the objections posed prior to the referendum were "project fear".
The French and Germans have also realised that they are likely to be better off, politically, without our constant obstruction and irritation, which is sad tbh. However, it's not even started to get going yet, there's more to come. I hope people are ready for the shitstorm.


I've been saying from the start that I expected some short-term pain, but ultimately, I believe the long term benefits would be worth it. A once in a 200 year opportunity to take a long hard look at Britain and plan for the future.

Sadly, I didn't count on two things happening:

1. The Tories would be so fething incompetent

2. The absence of any grand plan, and I'm talking about a new industrial revolution here. Nobody is even close. The main parties are miles away. Taking back the trains is fine, I agree with it, but it's hardly setting the world on fire.
To be fair...given the kind of rhetoric surrounding the campaign, the government's position before the referrendum, the total lack of any sort of "leave" victory plan before the referrendum (particularly when coupled with the high level of interconnectivity between the UK and the EU in almost every sense but especially the single market), the razor thin "Leave" margin, and the government's subsequent push to invoke article 50 seemingly as fast as it possibly could after the referrendum, it is difficult to see where Brexit was ever going to be a once-in-a-200 year opportunity for any hard looks or future planning, given that such was clearly absent from the entire endeavor from the genesis of the campaign.

From an outsiders perspective, from start to now, it's basically come off as a Leroy Jenkins special affair




Say what you want about Trump, but you guys in America are a beacon of stability compared to the mess we're in.

A lame duck Prime Minister propped up by evangelical Christians, France and Germany ready to kick our butts in Brexit negotiations, an economy going downhill faster than an elephant on rollerskates, and Nigel Farage threatening to come out of retirement.

We're fethed

I can see another Winter of Discontent in a few months time...

Dunno about that man... we have our own chaos here in the states.

But, hey... Pueto Ricoans just voted overwhelmingly to join as the 51st state.

Maybe ya'll need to vote as well to be the 52nd state! (or, how would that hypothetically work? A vote for each countries (England, Scotland, Wales, NI, etc...???)

Could it get any worst?




You're forgetting that Trump has a state visit to Britain, so yes, it can get worse

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 whembly wrote:

Dunno about that man... we have our own chaos here in the states.

But, hey... Pueto Ricoans just voted overwhelmingly to join as the 51st state.



Not really, only 23% turned out to vote since it was boycotted by all opposition parties.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/12/americas/puerto-rico-statehood-referendum/index.html

   
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Somewhere in south-central England.

Apparently that's on hold for the moment.

It's a pity, really. Trump desperately needs some foreign visits to distract attention from the slowly rolling clown car garbage truck wreck his presidency has become.

It would be great for him to come to the UK and be "faced" with a solid row of buttocks all along the Mall.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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@ whembly

Well there you go!

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Apparently that's on hold for the moment.

It's a pity, really. Trump desperately needs some foreign visits to distract attention from the slowly rolling clown car garbage truck wreck his presidency has become.

It would be great for him to come to the UK and be "faced" with a solid row of buttocks all along the Mall.

Ya'll might wanna rethink that a bit...

If you want to be put in the frontline for negotiations post-Brexit... you might want to fellatio the man's ego a bit... until after such agreement is signed of course.

But... hey... if Lord Buckethead can run for elections, I can certainly see that the "moonings" are possible.


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 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Apparently that's on hold for the moment.

It's a pity, really. Trump desperately needs some foreign visits to distract attention from the slowly rolling clown car garbage truck wreck his presidency has become.

It would be great for him to come to the UK and be "faced" with a solid row of buttocks all along the Mall.

Ya'll might wanna rethink that a bit...

If you want to be put in the frontline for negotiations post-Brexit... you might want to fellatio the man's ego a bit... until after such agreement is signed of course.

But... hey... if Lord Buckethead can run for elections, I can certainly see that the "moonings" are possible.




Yeah dispute the fact Trump ain't nice, he also handy to have on side right now. We could need US support before this Brexit is over.

Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

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 jhe90 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Apparently that's on hold for the moment.

It's a pity, really. Trump desperately needs some foreign visits to distract attention from the slowly rolling clown car garbage truck wreck his presidency has become.

It would be great for him to come to the UK and be "faced" with a solid row of buttocks all along the Mall.

Ya'll might wanna rethink that a bit...

If you want to be put in the frontline for negotiations post-Brexit... you might want to fellatio the man's ego a bit... until after such agreement is signed of course.

But... hey... if Lord Buckethead can run for elections, I can certainly see that the "moonings" are possible.




Yeah dispute the fact Trump ain't nice, he also handy to have on side right now. We could need US support before this Brexit is over.


Trump isn't the "supportive" type, at least not for free.

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 r_squared wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Apparently that's on hold for the moment.

It's a pity, really. Trump desperately needs some foreign visits to distract attention from the slowly rolling clown car garbage truck wreck his presidency has become.

It would be great for him to come to the UK and be "faced" with a solid row of buttocks all along the Mall.

Ya'll might wanna rethink that a bit...

If you want to be put in the frontline for negotiations post-Brexit... you might want to fellatio the man's ego a bit... until after such agreement is signed of course.

But... hey... if Lord Buckethead can run for elections, I can certainly see that the "moonings" are possible.




Yeah dispute the fact Trump ain't nice, he also handy to have on side right now. We could need US support before this Brexit is over.


Trump isn't the "supportive" type, at least not for free.


Yeah... It's how much we wanna pay..

Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.

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I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.

FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.  
   
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as big banks and multi-nationals, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The banks and the multi-nationals love the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to run a mile from it.


The alternative being Aaron Banks who has a vested interest in insurance (including medical) and would gain to benefit a great deal from a collapsing NHS that no longer has the staff to support it.

There are questionable supporters on both sides. Really it has been governments overall that have failed to control them, not the EU in particular. The UK government has basically transferred the banking debt onto the UK populace and let the banks walk away with minimal cost. That's not an EU problem.

You do at least get a strong economy, freedom of movement, protection of social and environmental protections that if the Tories have their way will disappear in some ultra right wing nonsense. I think I'd take this and the banks, than lose it all and end up owing my body's organ to the likes of Mr Banks...



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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Apparently that's on hold for the moment.

It's a pity, really. Trump desperately needs some foreign visits to distract attention from the slowly rolling clown car garbage truck wreck his presidency has become.

It would be great for him to come to the UK and be "faced" with a solid row of buttocks all along the Mall.


Oh man that would be hilarious to have the mall mooning the US president.




and about the best way to show what we think of him

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 r_squared wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
My next-door neighbour at lunch yesterday was convince that Labour only "won" by "cheating" by "being better" at "social media."


I know, it great at the moment. Most of the Facebook threads I have read recently are chock full of some right lovely people frothing at "bloody students being bribed" or "too stupid to know what's good for them".
A few I noticed were quite forthright in their opinions about the youth not voting in the EU referendum, and how they "should have made the effort to vote".

My shadenfreude meter is a smoking mess.


Except it's not just students. There's been a move from all those under 45 towards Labour.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/general-election-2017-young-people_uk_593e7ba1e4b0c5a35ca115e4?utm_hp_ref=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk

It is a bit bizarre how such people are opposed to the young population actually taking more interest. After all it is their future more than the 55+ year olds. Maybe they've worked out that if it stays this way governments will start favouring the younger generation and the benefits that older generation have had for so long will become more evenly balanced.

"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V

I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!

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 Compel wrote:
If there's one thing the United Kingdom is well practiced in, it's soothing the egos of narcissistic sociopaths. It's what created the British Empire after all. Make Albion Perfidious Again.


If one thing we good at its soothing the ego of various world leaders.

The palace, pomp, ceremony, royal family.

Though I think people might pay to see Prince Phillip and Trump meet...
The Duke has more years experience offending people. Trump met his match lol

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jouso wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Dunno about that man... we have our own chaos here in the states.

But, hey... Pueto Ricoans just voted overwhelmingly to join as the 51st state.



Not really, only 23% turned out to vote since it was boycotted by all opposition parties.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/12/americas/puerto-rico-statehood-referendum/index.html



Yeah, I was a bit miffed at that myself. Given they Oscar Lopez Rivera was just released and he's like the Puerto Ricoan Nelson Mandela. If anything I would've thought they'd be going for full on de-colonization.

Sorry off topic I know.

On another slightly off topic note: @Whirlwind- Wowza! Could you bring some of that over to the Northern Ireland assembly. You just de-escalated that conflict like a pro.
And thanks to my fellow Norn Ironers for being good lads and letting it lie. Sure it's all good craic.

   
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as big banks and multi-nationals, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The banks and the multi-nationals love the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to run a mile from it.


C'mon DINLT, you can do better than this. It's such a lazy argument.

And I'm sure you'd find it just as tiresome if someone said:

Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as bigots and racists, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The bigots and the racists hate the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to embrace it.
   
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 theCrowe wrote:
jouso wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Dunno about that man... we have our own chaos here in the states.

But, hey... Pueto Ricoans just voted overwhelmingly to join as the 51st state.



Not really, only 23% turned out to vote since it was boycotted by all opposition parties.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/12/americas/puerto-rico-statehood-referendum/index.html



Yeah, I was a bit miffed at that myself. Given they Oscar Lopez Rivera was just released and he's like the Puerto Ricoan Nelson Mandela. If anything I would've thought they'd be going for full on de-colonization.

Sorry off topic I know.

On another slightly off topic note: @Whirlwind- Wowza! Could you bring some of that over to the Northern Ireland assembly. You just de-escalated that conflict like a pro.
And thanks to my fellow Norn Ironers for being good lads and letting it lie. Sure it's all good craic.


Well Tha makes one sense but not sure how far this goes.

They use US currency, and are a what, almost protectorate of US.
Going to full state rights would give them greater sway over those things they use, and rely upon.

However also means your now part of US. Laws and such. Your no longer enjoying perks minus the abaility to have a slight gap...

Hmm...

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 King Henry VIII wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as big banks and multi-nationals, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The banks and the multi-nationals love the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to run a mile from it.


C'mon DINLT, you can do better than this. It's such a lazy argument.

And I'm sure you'd find it just as tiresome if someone said:

Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as bigots and racists, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The bigots and the racists hate the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to embrace it.


I think one of the greatest ironies of the last year is the rush of so called liberals and progressives to embrace the European Union, given the Left's historic opposition to the European project.

In response to your point, is Corbyn a racist and a bigot? He's been sticking two fingers up to the EU for decades. I'd bet my pension pot and my house that Corbyn vote to Leave on June 23rd.

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Not everyone who voted Leave is a racist/bigot, just like not everyone who voted Remain is a billionaire banker. that's why it's not a great argument.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 King Henry VIII wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as big banks and multi-nationals, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The banks and the multi-nationals love the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to run a mile from it.


C'mon DINLT, you can do better than this. It's such a lazy argument.

And I'm sure you'd find it just as tiresome if someone said:

Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as bigots and racists, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The bigots and the racists hate the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to embrace it.


I think one of the greatest ironies of the last year is the rush of so called liberals and progressives to embrace the European Union, given the Left's historic opposition to the European project.

In response to your point, is Corbyn a racist and a bigot? He's been sticking two fingers up to the EU for decades. I'd bet my pension pot and my house that Corbyn vote to Leave on June 23rd.


I'm sure he did. As you say, he's been openly opposed to the EU for as long as I've been alive. And the recent comments from his shadow chancellor make me think his position hasn't been softened just because he now leads the Labour party.

But that's all beside my point, which was that such arguments are reductive and and quite dishonest. Someone's support for the EU is no more undermined by the fact that big corp is on their side than your support for leaving the EU is because the racist old fart I used to work with is on yours.


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 feeder wrote:
Not everyone who voted Leave is a racist/bigot, just like not everyone who voted Remain is a billionaire banker. that's why it's not a great argument.


This is what I was trying to say, only feeder managed it with a lot less fannying about.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 King Henry VIII wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as big banks and multi-nationals, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The banks and the multi-nationals love the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to run a mile from it.


C'mon DINLT, you can do better than this. It's such a lazy argument.

And I'm sure you'd find it just as tiresome if someone said:

Whenever you find yourself on the same side of the argument as bigots and racists, you need to step back and ask what the feth is going on.

The bigots and the racists hate the EU. That in itself is reason enough for me to embrace it.


I think one of the greatest ironies of the last year is the rush of so called liberals and progressives to embrace the European Union, given the Left's historic opposition to the European project.


How is that an irony? Liberals usually aren't very left-wing, only compared to right-wing conservatives.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/12/gunowners-could-help-fight-terror-attack-says-police-commissioner

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Thats an idiotic headline generating policy. So gunowners now have State blessing to use their firearms for self defence? So fething what? Does this policy amount to Conceal and Carry? If Gun-owners are still not allowed to carry their guns on their person as they go about their daily life then it won't do any good because they'll never have their guns at hand when they need them.

What use are their guns in self defence, if the're locked away at home (because they'd be arrested for carrying them in public) and they get caught up in a terror attack at a concert or market or crossing a bridge on their way to work or on the London Underground? What good is a gun, if it gets confiscated by security at a Concert and the Police come to arrest YOU as a terror suspect?
   
 
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