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2017/08/16 10:02:55
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Courageous Grand Master
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Not having a go at you, but this logic can be annoying sometimes.
If something bad happens, it's Brexit.
If something good happens, it's because Brexit hasn't happened yet.
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2017/08/16 10:19:14
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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"Exports are booming!"
*link gets posted showing how exports are down 5%*
"Rah rah blame the Remoaners!"
Seriously, you're just making stuff up as you go now. You were literally caught claiming the opposite of what is true, and your first action was to deflect and continue blaming remainers.
There's a reason why you were accused of being a parody account a few pages back.
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2017/08/16 10:26:11
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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2017 growth numbers (Q1+Q2) so far:
Austria: 1.5%
Spain: 1.7%
Sweden: 2.1%
France: 1.0%
Germany: 1.3%
Eurozone: 1.1%
UK: 0.5%
That has been the general narrative about Brexit.
...hmm ...
actually I think you'll find the main narrative about Brexit was us giving £350M a week to the EU..
.. which, hold onto your hats, isn't true.
So it was "We'll all be richer",
Then richer, eventually.
Then it not mattering if we're poorer.
Then it'll be great to eat chlorinated chicken.
We've just got past the " it doesn't matter if my friends and families lose their jobs"
I believe the next stage is accepting we had too many functioning hospitals, farms, schools, social care workers and so forth.
The UK economy is not perfect,
word.
Not really a great idea to maim it then is it eh ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40922177
The UK's proposals, detailed in what it calls a "future partnership paper", also include the possibility of a "temporary customs union" after the UK leaves the EU in March 2019 to avoid a "cliff-edge" for business as they adapt to the new arrangements.
amazing isn't it ?
Our plan is to leave and then pretend we haven't actually left.
It's like abandoning ones family but turning up twice a week expecting one's conjugal rights.
I know "we" have long despaired about the quality of our leaders -- and TBF this is the same throughout the whole of human existence -- but there's times our current crop appear so shambolic one does start to sympathise somewhat with the idea that they're messing it up deliberately in some attempt to prevent the act from happening.
they've been working on things like the customs union paper for over 1 year !
And that, apparently, is the best they can come up with ?
Further to that ..
there's no sign of any attempt to buy/build new offices/buildings in places like Dover which we'll need as/when we leave.
Similarly there's been no attempt/start to recruit the replacement officials we'll need to replace those from the EU ..
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/ministers-blow-1m-headhunters-brexit-trade-negotiators/
The Government has spent more than £1m on recruitment consultants alone in a desperate attempt to find trade negotiators with the necessary skills to strike deals once Britain leaves the EU. The Department for International Trade spent £1.15m on recruitment agencies in the 12 months since July 2016, official figures show. It comes amid accusations that the Department is struggling to hire sufficient numbers of specialists needed to hammer out the trade deals, with ministers confirming just one appointment so far. Recruited a tiny number The details emerged through a series of parliamentary questions tabled by the Labour peer Lord Adonis, which showed the cash was paid to “organisations for services relating to the recruitment of staff”. The vast sum of money spent on solely on recruitment consultants is likely to be a major source of embarrassment for ministers who are now forced to train their own staff in negotiation techniques. “It is common knowledge around Whitehall that DIT have only managed to recruit a tiny number of experienced trade negotiators despite all this money on headhunters,” Lord Adonis told The Times. “There is a small pool of international trade negotiators and hardly any of them want to ruin their reputation by becoming trade negotiators for a British government that is unlikely to be able to achieve its objectives.” The DIT has also budgeted £1.5m to pay for external legal services for 2017/18. The figures come just a week after International Trade Secretary Liam Fox saw his trade visit to the US overshadowed by concerns around chlorinated chicken imports coming from America. Not a sensible strategy In the absence of suitable candidates being hired to handle negotiations, the DIT has been forced to try and train its own staff to “build trade policy and negotiations capability”. So far 200 DIT have undergone trade policy training, according to the International Trade Minister Lord Price’s written answer. The department has a budget of £1.6m for 2017/18 to cover training. But Lord Adonis cast major doubts on the DIT’s approach. “They are taking general civil servants and putting them through training in negotiating skills, which is rather like taking a county tennis player and putting him on a swimming course,” he said. “It is not a sensible strategy.” The DIT stressed the money was used to hire candidates across all levels of the department. “Since its formation in July 2016, the departments headcount has increased to a global workforce of over 3,200 people. The Trade Policy Group that includes policy and country specialists, as well as expert economic analysts and lawyers, has itself quadrupled in size,” a spokesperson said. “To ensure the department gets the brightest and best people available, at every level, recruitment costs have been spread across the board through both external and internal service providers and are managed locally.”
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It's the lack of fore thought and planning that ... horrifies I guess ...... me most of all.
Yee haw and a wing and a prayer is no way to try and run a country.
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2017/08/16 10:32:10
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Courageous Grand Master
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I've never argued that the UK is perfect, and I've long bemoaned the lack of vision for Britain's future. God knows I've mentioned it here a few times. 
But there are people out there, praying night and day for Brexit to fail, just so they can say I told you so. I'm not accusing anybody on dakka of holding that position, bt they are out their in the world: the Blairs, the Cleggs, the Cables etc etc
And another thing, this 350 million a week is subject to us leaving the EU. Then we get the cash. I know that, most people I know that.
And chlorinated chicken? It may never happen. And if it does, you have the option not to buy it.
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2017/08/16 10:32:47
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Not having a go at you, but this logic can be annoying sometimes.
If something bad happens, it's Brexit.
If something good happens, it's because Brexit hasn't happened yet.
Well I'm glad you're not having a go at me, because Im not claiming anything bad happening to the economy is down to Brexit ... because it hasn't actually happened yet!
I did vote remain, but I'm entirely neutral on whether Brexit will be good or bad overall. I simply voted remain because I don't trust the Tories with my employment rights. Past experience suggests they don't think I should have any and leaving the EU removes the ability to appeal to the European courts when the UK government starts trampling on people.
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2017/08/16 10:33:43
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Courageous Grand Master
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Things are not perfect, but their not as bad as some people are making them out to be. Aren't we all supposed to be back to the Stone Age by now for turning our backs on the EU? Automatically Appended Next Post:  MonkeyBallistic wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Not having a go at you, but this logic can be annoying sometimes.
If something bad happens, it's Brexit.
If something good happens, it's because Brexit hasn't happened yet.
Well I'm glad you're not having a go at me, because Im not claiming anything bad happening to the economy is down to Brexit ... because it hasn't actually happened yet!
I did vote remain, but I'm entirely neutral on whether Brexit will be good or bad overall. I simply voted remain because I don't trust the Tories with my employment rights. Past experience suggests they don't think I should have any and leaving the EU removes the ability to appeal to the European courts when the UK government starts trampling on people.
I despise the Tories more than anybody, but I never let that stop me for voting to leave the EU.
IMO, the ECJ has no business overruling Britain on anything. It robs us of sovereignty.
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2017/08/16 10:39:12
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I've never argued that the UK is perfect, and I've long bemoaned the lack of vision for Britain's future. God knows I've mentioned it here a few times.
But there are people out there, praying night and day for Brexit to fail, just so they can say I told you so. I'm not accusing anybody on dakka of holding that position, bt they are out their in the world: the Blairs, the Cleggs, the Cables etc etc
And another thing, this 350 million a week is subject to us leaving the EU. Then we get the cash. I know that, most people I know that.
And chlorinated chicken? It may never happen. And if it does, you have the option not to buy it.
I did have a vision for Britain's future. One in which it took a more active role in shaping the EU into something better. Now my vision for Britain's future is one in which the next generation take us back into the EU 
However, the 350 million a week was a lie. It ignored rebates and ignored that a lot of that money comes back to the UK in EU spending. Boris tried to bluff it out as money we don't control, but the fact remains that the extra 350 million a week to spend on the NHS claim was a deliberate and cynical attempt to lie to the British people.
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2017/08/16 10:53:02
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Courageous Grand Master
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I did have a vision for Britain's future. One in which it took a more active role in shaping the EU into something better
Considering the glacial pace at which the EU reforms, we'll all have died of old age before any meaningful reform ever takes place. Automatically Appended Next Post: and ignored that a lot of that money comes back to the UK in EU spending
Bribing us with our own money.  Automatically Appended Next Post:  AlmightyWalrus wrote:"Exports are booming!"
*link gets posted showing how exports are down 5%*
"Rah rah blame the Remoaners!"
Seriously, you're just making stuff up as you go now. You were literally caught claiming the opposite of what is true, and your first action was to deflect and continue blaming remainers.
There's a reason why you were accused of being a parody account a few pages back.
I'm countering the narrative the this country is going down the pan. The UK isn't perfect, but I've never argued that it was. 
I make no apologies for the millions of people like me who had the guts to stand up to the EU and denounce it for what it is: an anti-democratic, corporate racket! 
Other people support the EU, and voted Remain, and I respect that, but I shall exercise my democratic rights and peacefully protest and criticise those pen pushers in Brussels!
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2017/08/16 11:09:09
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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You're exercising your democratic right to make stuff up. It isn't the first time it's happened and it won't be the last. You're becoming what, in my opinion, whembly was to the US politics thread.
You just claimed that the British exports have never been better only to immediately be proven wrong. Instead of pausing to reflect you instead make up a story about how you're "countering the narrative". You either lied or were ignorant. Own up to it.
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2017/08/16 11:12:19
Subject: The UK General Election
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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You've got every right to continue to criticise the EU and people who are in favour of membership have every right to continue to espouse that view too.
While you might be tired of the people who blame everything on Brexit, I'm equally tired of the, "you Remoaners lost so you have to shut up now", brigade.
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2017/08/16 11:14:27
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Courageous Grand Master
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:You're exercising your democratic right to make stuff up. It isn't the first time it's happened and it won't be the last. You're becoming what, in my opinion, whembly was to the US politics thread.
You just claimed that the British exports have never been better only to immediately be proven wrong. Instead of pausing to reflect you instead make up a story about how you're "countering the narrative". You either lied or were ignorant. Own up to it.
Ok, so I was ignorant, no big deal. Happy to admit my mistake.
None the less, and this is only my opinion mind you, I consider myself, and other leave voters to be the only true radicals in this day and age.
Who was supporting the EU? The banks, big corporations, the political elites, the Tony Blairs of this world etc etc
That was reason enough for me to get the hell out.
God bless the working classes for taking a stand against that corporate racket in Brussels!  Automatically Appended Next Post: MonkeyBallistic wrote:You've got every right to continue to criticise the EU and people who are in favour of membership have every right to continue to espouse that view too.
While you might be tired of the people who blame everything on Brexit, I'm equally tired of the, "you Remoaners lost so you have to shut up now", brigade.
The Remain voice needs, and deserves to be heard. You may disagree, but I wish Remain supporters would come on board and help build the UK for the future challenges that lie ahead.
Again, I'm not accusing you of this, but a small minority of Remainers are hell bent on reversing the referendum. My beef is with them.
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2017/08/16 11:24:58
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ignoring reality to make up your own facts is pretty radical, especially if we consider that "radical" is from the Latin "radex", meaning "root". Contempt for facts, "the elite" and "experts" is entirely in line with radicalism, I'm not going to argue there.
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2017/08/16 11:26:25
Subject: The UK General Election
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There's nothing wrong with reversing the referendum. The UK is supposed to be a democracy. Referenda aren't binding. It is completely undemocratic and unconstitutional to say that Remainers should not be allowed to argue against Brexit and/or for a second referendum.
IMO the main reason that ardent Leavers are against another referendum is that they are afraid they will lose.
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2017/08/16 11:28:19
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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I wish Remain supporters would come on board and help build the UK for the future challenges that lie ahead
Crazy off the top o' my head example but that might be easier if, say, the pro brexit people didn't lie about things like export figures.
Who was supporting the EU? The banks, big corporations, the political elites, the Tony Blairs of this world etc etc
As opposed to the stellar team against it consisting of Putin, Farage, Trump, Disgraced minister Liam Fox etc etc
Oh, and ISIS
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/isis-brexit-news-eu-referendum-result-praises-response-islamic-state-daesh-political-crisis-crusader-a7109781.html?utm_content=buffer73fd8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2017/08/16 11:37:48
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Really? Because you're the one consistently coming in here and ranting about spiralling crime sprees and Britain having no coherent vision for the future. Automatically Appended Next Post: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Who was supporting the EU? The banks, big corporations, the political elites, the Tony Blairs of this world etc etc That was reason enough for me to get the hell out. God bless the working classes for taking a stand against that corporate racket in Brussels!
Basing your support of something on who is arguing for it rather than the actual arguments is really fething dumb.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
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2017/08/16 11:45:48
Subject: The UK General Election
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Courageous Grand Master
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 Kilkrazy wrote:There's nothing wrong with reversing the referendum. The UK is supposed to be a democracy. Referenda aren't binding. It is completely undemocratic and unconstitutional to say that Remainers should not be allowed to argue against Brexit and/or for a second referendum.
IMO the main reason that ardent Leavers are against another referendum is that they are afraid they will lose.
I'd lay long odds on Leave winning another referendum, and you can quote me on that!
Besides, as I've said before, we did have a second referendum: The Lib Dems ran on a second referendum ticket in June.
They were shot down in flames and were lucky to get 12 seats. Automatically Appended Next Post:
I'm only a cottage industry, I grant you, but since the referendum, my exports of Warhammer stuff for sale have been snapped by lots f people living abroad, so that's success in my book.
As for your other point, I think we can safely rule out Trump's opinion on anything, but I'll give you Liam Fox.
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2017/08/16 11:49:36
Subject: The UK General Election
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:There's nothing wrong with reversing the referendum. The UK is supposed to be a democracy. Referenda aren't binding. It is completely undemocratic and unconstitutional to say that Remainers should not be allowed to argue against Brexit and/or for a second referendum.
IMO the main reason that ardent Leavers are against another referendum is that they are afraid they will lose.
I'd lay long odds on Leave winning another referendum, and you can quote me on that!
Besides, as I've said before, we did have a second referendum: The Lib Dems ran on a second referendum ticket in June.
They were shot down in flames and were lucky to get 12 seats.
You can't leap to the conclusion that everyone who decided to vote for any party other than the Lib Dems is against a second referendum.
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2017/08/16 11:50:54
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Courageous Grand Master
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Really? Because you're the one consistently coming in here and ranting about spiralling crime sprees and Britain having no coherent vision for the future.
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Who was supporting the EU? The banks, big corporations, the political elites, the Tony Blairs of this world etc etc
That was reason enough for me to get the hell out.
God bless the working classes for taking a stand against that corporate racket in Brussels!
Basing your support of something on who is arguing for it rather than the actual arguments is really fething dumb.
To clarify, crime wise, we're not in a good place. 
Economic wise, I think we're doing well.
Yes, the UK has problems, I've never denied that, but in terms of economic performance, we're holding our own. Automatically Appended Next Post: MonkeyBallistic wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:There's nothing wrong with reversing the referendum. The UK is supposed to be a democracy. Referenda aren't binding. It is completely undemocratic and unconstitutional to say that Remainers should not be allowed to argue against Brexit and/or for a second referendum.
IMO the main reason that ardent Leavers are against another referendum is that they are afraid they will lose.
I'd lay long odds on Leave winning another referendum, and you can quote me on that!
Besides, as I've said before, we did have a second referendum: The Lib Dems ran on a second referendum ticket in June.
They were shot down in flames and were lucky to get 12 seats.
You can't leap to the conclusion that everyone who decided to vote for any party other than the Lib Dems is against a second referendum.
What other conclusion can you draw? Vote for us and we'll hold another rrefrendum. The people said no. Brexit is obviously a very big issue, but the people sent the Lib Dems packing.
British history shows that a single issue can win the day. Sein Fein ran on an Irish independence ticket in 1918 and won 73 out of 105 seats.
That's 69% which is more than the 66% two thirds majority i.e overwhelming support.
You can win on a single issue ticket, but the Lib Dems were just gak poor.
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2017/08/16 11:56:59
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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but I'll give you Liam Fox.
Surely that's more of a threat than a bribe ..? 
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2017/08/16 11:58:56
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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MonkeyBallistic wrote:You've got every right to continue to criticise the EU and people who are in favour of membership have every right to continue to espouse that view too.
While you might be tired of the people who blame everything on Brexit, I'm equally tired of the, "you Remoaners lost so you have to shut up now", brigade.
The Remain voice needs, and deserves to be heard. You may disagree, but I wish Remain supporters would come on board and help build the UK for the future challenges that lie ahead.
Again, I'm not accusing you of this, but a small minority of Remainers are hell bent on reversing the referendum. My beef is with them.
We keep hearing this. It is the same argument rolled out by the anti EU people every time anyone says anything that does not 100% agree with what they have said. Any questioning or disagreement is dismissed as being "remonaners wanting to stop us".
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And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2017/08/16 12:05:15
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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There is some good news about Brexit. It's just not widely reported. If we're so doomed why did BMW decide to build the new electric mini here? And isn't our own GW doing excellent business export wise?
Plus, voting to remain wasn't a vote for the status quo. It was only a matter of time before we were forced into adopting the euro and ceeding more control to Brussels. Plus, the eu itself isn't looking too stable these days. The structural problems of the euro persist and it looks like Poland could be on their way out.
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2017/08/16 12:09:49
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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 Steve steveson wrote: MonkeyBallistic wrote:You've got every right to continue to criticise the EU and people who are in favour of membership have every right to continue to espouse that view too.
While you might be tired of the people who blame everything on Brexit, I'm equally tired of the, "you Remoaners lost so you have to shut up now", brigade.
The Remain voice needs, and deserves to be heard. You may disagree, but I wish Remain supporters would come on board and help build the UK for the future challenges that lie ahead.
Again, I'm not accusing you of this, but a small minority of Remainers are hell bent on reversing the referendum. My beef is with them.
We keep hearing this. It is the same argument rolled out by the anti EU people every time anyone says anything that does not 100% agree with what they have said. Any questioning or disagreement is dismissed as being "remonaners wanting to stop us".
Absolutely the remain voice must be heard. Leave might have won, but 48% of people who voted voted remain. That's a lot of people too. They deserve to be taken into account when we negotiate our future relationship with the EU.
The people I feel sorry for are the people who weren't entitled to vote. I have a friend, a British citizen, who wasn't eligible to vote in the referendum because he was living and working in Germany at the time. He was furious. Partly because of the result, but most because, as he sees it, his rights as an EU citizen are being taken away from him without him even having a say in it.
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2017/08/16 12:10:35
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It's often overlooked that thousands of migrants are still trying to head to Europe from Africa, and across the Mediterranean. This is putting huge pressure on Greece and Italy.
We don't seem to hear about it anymore, and I've yet to see the EU produce a plan to tackle the problem.
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2017/08/16 12:11:13
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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That Inews article was sad. Arguing against something that "people" on the other side of an argument are saying without actually referencing who you're arguing against has to be the most transparent strawman ever.
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2017/08/16 12:12:30
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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 Future War Cultist wrote: Plus, voting to remain wasn't a vote for the status quo. It was only a matter of time before we were forced into adopting the euro and ceeding more control to Brussels. Plus, the eu itself isn't looking too stable these days. The structural problems of the euro persist and it looks like Poland could be on their way out.
This is the exact kind of nonsense that we're tired of hearing. The UK had a veto. The EU could never force us to adopt the Euro, nor cede more power to Brussels without the UKs elected officials doing so willingly. Any new powers given to Brussels requires passing through the EU Commission and Parliament and then needs to be ratified by the member states, which in the UK requires an act of Parliament. There is zero way that the EU can enforce greater expansion of powers onto the member states without them agreeing to do so.
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2017/08/16 12:23:10
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:It's often overlooked that thousands of migrants are still trying to head to Europe from Africa, and across the Mediterranean. This is putting huge pressure on Greece and Italy.
We don't seem to hear about it anymore, and I've yet to see the EU produce a plan to tackle the problem.
When the EU wanted to make member states actually contribute you called it overreach.
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2017/08/16 12:33:39
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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A Town Called Malus wrote: Future War Cultist wrote:
Plus, voting to remain wasn't a vote for the status quo. It was only a matter of time before we were forced into adopting the euro and ceeding more control to Brussels. Plus, the eu itself isn't looking too stable these days. The structural problems of the euro persist and it looks like Poland could be on their way out.
This is the exact kind of nonsense that we're tired of hearing. The UK had a veto. The EU could never force us to adopt the Euro, nor cede more power to Brussels without the UKs elected officials doing so willingly. Any new powers given to Brussels requires passing through the EU Commission and Parliament and then needs to be ratified by the member states, which in the UK requires an act of Parliament.
There is zero way that the EU can enforce greater expansion of powers onto the member states without them agreeing to do so.
Anti EU propaganda has been based on lies for decades. You can't expect them to change their story and come clean now.
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2017/08/16 12:45:34
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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2017/08/16 12:45:48
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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Master Engineer with a Brace of Pistols
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But those elected officials are so easy to butter up aren't they? Tony Blair (the PM with the srinking majority) would have had us join the euro had Brown not stopped him. Then Brown went ahead and signed us up to the eu constitution without asking us. Brown the unelected PM. All you have to do is ensure that they have cushy jobs in the eu after they leave their respective parliaments and you can get them to agree to anything.
This is one reason why I voted to leave. I was tired of our representatives passing the buck up to the eu whilst argeeing to everything they proposed without consenting us. For me the Lisbon treaty was the straw that broke the camels back.
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2017/08/16 12:50:39
Subject: Re:The UK General Election
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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That's fair comment.
You can see, though, that a lot of people disagree with that view, or feel that other issues such as the economy are more important.
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