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2018/01/09 11:53:37
Subject: UK Politics
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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 Mr Morden wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Oh I'm sure it's more than just Stalinist USSR.
Just look at some of the utter imbeciles we've had in high positions in my lifetime.
How galling must it be to be a health or education professional, and be told how to do your job by someone you know full well has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Or worse, be told you're actually getting enough money and to stop being wasteful by someone who'll happily vote themselves large pay rises year in, year out.
They used to complain about this in Ancient Rome as well.
Something being b0rken for a long time means there's a more pressing need to fix it.
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2018/01/09 12:04:45
Subject: UK Politics
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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If you are a member of the so-called "Chumocracy" the system isn't broken.
Yet.
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2018/01/09 12:05:01
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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Aren't you tired of experts anyway? 
Man, that soundbite is going to last a very long time, isn't it?
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back. |
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2018/01/09 12:07:00
Subject: UK Politics
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Hopefully not much longer than Michael Gove's political career. Odious little puppet faced creep.
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2018/01/09 15:57:05
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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.. are you ready for this one....
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/950501082903580672
Remember all the times that ministers told us they were making contingency preparations for no-deal Brexit, setting aside £3bn and appointing a no-deal minister etc...?
Well, according to a letter from Davis to May (leaked to FT) they are now consulting lawyers about EU's own contingency preparations for a no-deal Brexit.
In the words of @patmcfaddenmp: "It seems extraordinary that the government is exercised about the EU preparing for a no deal scenario when it has set aside £3bn in its most recent Budget to do exactly the same thing..."
Key to Dexeu complaint is that EU - in its advice to companies - is ignoring likelihood that UK will get a 2-year transition period. Davis has urged May to call on Commission to withdraw the advice and has consulted lawyers....
Unfortunately for David Davis his lawyers have warned him that government has "low" chance of successful legal action vs EU, and it would be costly and politically risky https://amp.ft.com/content/7306b972-f49a-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00?__twitter_impression=true …
Commission spokesman all deadpan just now: "We in the European Commission we are surprised that the United Kingdom is surprised that we are preparing for a scenario announced by the UK government itself."
.. if this happened in a political sitcom you'd laugh but shrug it off as unrealistic.
Davis: We must get serious about walking away without a deal.
EU: Okay let's get serious about walking away without a deal.
Davis: How dare you get serious about walking away without a deal!
.. and Davis is considered one of the smart ones.
..lest we forget...
Grayling is gonna be an ace quiz answer/bit of trivia in the future.
.. TBF it was, note, actually 2018.
and 37 seconds.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2018/01/09 16:30:21
Subject: UK Politics
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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We need to ban all serving Tory MPs from politics.
Too many Old Boys in there by half.
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2018/01/09 18:44:19
Subject: UK Politics
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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We need to ban all MPs from politics.
It’s like jury service. Every time someone suggests making jury service optional the first argument against it is that if someone is wanting to volunteer you really don’t want on a jury. I’d say the same about politics. Equally however I wouldn’t want 400 randomly chosen MPs.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/01/09 18:48:13
 insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2018/01/09 19:21:39
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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https://twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/status/950745818490916865
Big promise by @LiamFox just now in the HoC in answer to my questions: the UK will reach new trade agreements with all 65 of the countries we currently trade with through EU agreements by the end of March 2019
uh huh.
.. so , given holidays etc etc that's more than one a week then.
Every week for the next 16 months or so.
uh huh.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2018/01/09 19:35:46
Subject: UK Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Kilkrazy wrote: Howard A Treesong wrote:I couldn’t quite believe that after his sterling work for the NHS and having just cancelled 50,000 operations, Jeremy Hunt’s responsibilities have been expanded to social care as well. The mind boggles at the responsibilities given to these incompetents.
It makes sense from one perspective, which is that it is the crisis in social care which is ramping up the crisis in the NHS.
The BBC reported that up to 50% of hospital beds are now occupied by patients who are well enough to be discharged, but can't be bcause their local councils do not have the social care in place to accomodate them in the community.
From this angle it makes sense for one ministry to be in charge of both the NHS and the social care system, rather than social care being the responsibility of local councils.
Of course, it is the reduction of the central government grant to local councils that led to the social care crisis, and the cancelling of dozens of NHS walk-in centres that has helped stoke the A&E crisis at the front end.
The problem is that these issues have been clear for years. It requires a re-organisation of the role of local councils and the NHS in managing people through the whole patient journey (or some such management speak phrase.)
In short, Jeremy Hunt is part of the problem, and naming him responsible for social care does not create any kind of solution.
Of course in 2013 there was a re-organisation. The government moved some in hospital social care elements out of the NHS and into local government and then preceded to start slashing those budgets (cynically) as it is easier to attack local government funding than NHS funding. Council's now have to undertake social care roles that use to be done by the NHS (like hospital discharge teams). The government is basically going round in circles and chasing their own tail.
Automatically Appended Next Post:  reds8n wrote:https://twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/status/950745818490916865
Big promise by @LiamFox just now in the HoC in answer to my questions: the UK will reach new trade agreements with all 65 of the countries we currently trade with through EU agreements by the end of March 2019
uh huh.
.. so , given holidays etc etc that's more than one a week then.
Every week for the next 16 months or so.
uh huh.
Well he is technically correct because even WTO could be counted as a new 'Trade deal'. It doesn't mean any of them will be any good... Automatically Appended Next Post:
.. if this happened in a political sitcom you'd laugh but shrug it off as unrealistic.
Davis: We must get serious about walking away without a deal.
EU: Okay let's get serious about walking away without a deal.
Davis: How dare you get serious about walking away without a deal!
.. and Davis is considered one of the smart ones.
It just shows how unrealistic their expectations are and that they truly thought they would get everything they still have but not pay for it. Hence they resort to...."mummy they are being really mean and not letting me get what I want....waaaaaaaah"
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
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2018/01/09 19:46:21
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If we had halfway competent people in charge there is a chance that Brexit would not turn out to be a total catastrophe. But watching this bunch of chuckleclucks do Brexit is like watching a slow motion car crash, with the added fun that we are all stuck in the back seat I'm beginning to wish they would just get it over with so we can bury the Tories and move on to rebuilding.
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2018/01/09 20:09:28
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Virgin Trains West Coast line stops selling the Daily [Hate] Mail.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42621425
Farage outraged.
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2018/01/09 20:33:07
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Meh.
Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage tweeted: "We are heading in a worrying direction."
If they banned passengers from bringing copies of the DM on board, then it would be worrying.
Otherwise, this is just market forces in action. There probably just aren't enough people buying it to make selling it worthwhile.
I only buy the DM's sister paper, the Mail on Sunday, for Peter Hitchen's column. And even then I usually just nick my Dad's, and its available for free online as well.
The Virgin spokesperson added that when it stocked the paper, which it stopped carrying in November, it only sold one copy for every four trains.
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2018/01/09 20:34:39
Subject: UK Politics
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Farage, talking about how dangerous it is to ban things one doesn’t like.
Because that’s not the trait of the hard right at all.....
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2018/01/09 21:01:44
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Bryan Ansell
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:
The Virgin spokesperson added that when it stocked the paper, which it stopped carrying in November, it only sold one copy for every four trains.
I chuckled at the Mail outrage earlier. Though all virgin needed to say was the above as reason to cease carrying it.
I would like to know what the figures are for the other rags they carry, The Mirror,Times and Telegraph. I never see anyone buying papers on the train.
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2018/01/09 21:05:59
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I buy Private Eye.
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2018/01/09 21:18:42
Subject: UK Politics
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Bryan Ansell
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Use my tablet. Though I am outraged OUTRAGED!* that train companies want me to pay for wifi access.
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2018/01/09 21:57:16
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Nasty Nob
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"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984 |
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2018/01/09 21:59:07
Subject: UK Politics
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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 Mr. Burning wrote:Use my tablet. Though I am outraged OUTRAGED!* that train companies want me to pay for wifi access. *
Lol wot? Arriva provides it for free on buses. At least they do in Co. Durham.
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2018/01/09 22:12:10
Subject: UK Politics
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yeah, it's a thing...
Heck, even "Scot"rail, nevermind buses, provide free wifi...
Of course, anyone using free wifi without a VPN is asking for trouble anyway, but everyone knew that, right?
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2018/01/10 09:09:14
Subject: UK Politics
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Calculating Commissar
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Cross Country trains still seem to charge an arm and a leg for wifi, the newer local ones provide it free.
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2018/01/10 10:23:21
Subject: UK Politics
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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There is free WiFi on buses in Oxford, and USB charging points on all the seats.
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2018/01/10 11:35:22
Subject: UK Politics
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Southern has no wifi on trains, free or otherwise. Nor do they have any plug sockets to charge electric devices.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
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2018/01/10 11:54:29
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Frankly I would prefer the railway companies to run a good service of trains on time before worrying about whether they have free WiFi and charging points.
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2018/01/10 12:03:22
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Courageous Grand Master
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Maybe I'm showing my age here, but am I the only person these days who turns up for a long distance train journey with a pile of books?
Free Wi-Fi be damned! 
Edinburgh to Penzance, which takes about 2 days on our rail network. is the perfect opportunity for reading some military history.
Automatically Appended Next Post:  A Town Called Malus wrote:Southern has no wifi on trains, free or otherwise. Nor do they have any plug sockets to charge electric devices.
They barely have any seats these days by the sounds of things.
God almighty, I'm getting nostalgic for British Rail Automatically Appended Next Post:
Bring back British Rail 
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd |
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2018/01/10 12:19:27
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Inspiring Icon Bearer
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Maybe I'm showing my age here, but am I the only person these days who turns up for a long distance train journey with a pile of books?
Free Wi-Fi be damned!
I'm not that much younger than you and I bring a book, netflix on my cell and a nintendo switch (and a powerpack to keep things going)
I don't miss the days when I had to pack 3-4 books for an American or Pacific trip and still I had to scour the airport shops for some extra reading material.
The things took up a lot of space and weight.
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2018/01/10 12:23:56
Subject: UK Politics
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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That is the great advantage of a Kindle. You can carry a whole library in one pocket.
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2018/01/10 12:25:17
Subject: Re:UK Politics
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Calculating Commissar
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Maybe I'm showing my age here, but am I the only person these days who turns up for a long distance train journey with a pile of books?
I tend to do work when I'm travelling these days, gives me more leisure time at home. Books for shorter trips / when I can't be bothered working.
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2018/01/10 12:46:18
Subject: UK Politics
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Courageous Grand Master
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Kilkrazy wrote:That is the great advantage of a Kindle. You can carry a whole library in one pocket.
Yeah, but can a kindle:
Be used as a doorstop, stop a knife, clobber a street robber, prop up a dodgy table/chair, proxy as terrain for miniature wargames, be used as fuel in an emergency etc etc
as well as being something too read?
When kindle can do all that, then I'll give up the humble book. Automatically Appended Next Post: Herzlos wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Maybe I'm showing my age here, but am I the only person these days who turns up for a long distance train journey with a pile of books?
I tend to do work when I'm travelling these days, gives me more leisure time at home. Books for shorter trips / when I can't be bothered working.
Not having a go at you, but working whilst on the move, due to laptops etc etc
has to be one of the most insidious things modern capitalism ever inflicted on mankind. 
At least in the days of coal mines, yeah, you might have been poor, but once you left the pit, you left the pit for the day. Automatically Appended Next Post: jouso wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Maybe I'm showing my age here, but am I the only person these days who turns up for a long distance train journey with a pile of books?
Free Wi-Fi be damned!
I'm not that much younger than you and I bring a book, netflix on my cell and a nintendo switch (and a powerpack to keep things going)
I don't miss the days when I had to pack 3-4 books for an American or Pacific trip and still I had to scour the airport shops for some extra reading material.
The things took up a lot of space and weight.
In my humble experience of long distance travel, phones and laptops have kinda prevented random conversations being struck up with strangers. True, on the rare occasions, some of those people turned out to be reactionary nutters, but I've had many a classic conversation over the years with strangers on trains and planes.
We seem to be losing that these days 
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd |
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2018/01/10 14:06:44
Subject: UK Politics
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Calculating Commissar
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Not having a go at you, but working whilst on the move, due to laptops etc etc
has to be one of the most insidious things modern capitalism ever inflicted on mankind.
At least in the days of coal mines, yeah, you might have been poor, but once you left the pit, you left the pit for the day.
I sort of agree. But if you've got dead time from travelling, would you rather spend that doing work, so that you can spend your free time on hobby/family stuff?
I don't like the idea of being 'always on' but I love the flexibility of doing an hours work on the train home, so I can spend that hour I bunked off early with me kids.
In my humble experience of long distance travel, phones and laptops have kinda prevented random conversations being struck up with strangers. True, on the rare occasions, some of those people turned out to be reactionary nutters, but I've had many a classic conversation over the years with strangers on trains and planes.
Surely you get the same issue with books? Admittedly, the threshold for getting a phone out seems to be a lot lower than for a book.
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2018/01/10 14:37:46
Subject: UK Politics
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Inspiring Icon Bearer
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Herzlos wrote:
Surely you get the same issue with books? Admittedly, the threshold for getting a phone out seems to be a lot lower than for a book.
Nice game or nice show is as good a conversation starter as nice book.
Just last week I had a trip-long conversation to the couple sitting next to me over Peaky Blinders.
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