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Whirlwind wrote: Can you be the leader of two countries at once?
Historically? Absolutely. Personal Unions, while uncommon, aren't outrageously uncommon through history and the UK itself is an example of a constellation in which someone's leader of more than one country at a time.
For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
Ketara wrote: There's a reason 'Economics for Idiots' is officially one of the most borrowed books in Westminster Library.
Because parliament is full of idiots?
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Steve steveson wrote: I don’t think they should join the Lib Dem’s, as no one would take them seriously, but I do think there would be value in the Center leaning members of both parties looking to form a new party.
Perhaps we should ask Macron whether he will open up a branch of En Marche in the UK? There might be consistency then between the two countries. Can you be the leader of two countries at once?
Blue Blairites selecting another blue Blairite does not make one a Conservative.
I've yet to hear a single Conservative viewpoint being uttered from Soubry.
A name should not dictate what a party is or wants to be. Just because what a party was in the past does not mean it should define its future. If the Conservative party all became Marxists they are still the Conservative party. If we wanted parties that were constrained by past ideologies then we may as well as just rename everything to being under 5 parties:- far right nut jobs; centre right, capital orientated; centre, no particular preference in ideology; centre left, social orientated; far left nut jobs.
With all due respect - that's wishy-washy nonsense.
If you applied that logic to the Nazi party i.e don't judge them by past actions, because they now believe in equality for all and nuclear disarmament, etc etc
you'd get laughed out of town.
I expect a Communist party to be Communist. A Conservative party to be Conservative, and the SNP to believe in Scottish independence etc etc
is that too much to ask for?
As I've said before, the poison of Blairism has badly infected British politics for nigh 20 years
You can only occupy the centre ground for so long...
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
I could join the Conservative party right now, but as the Iron Duke once said, being born in a stable does not make a man a horse...
.. Issue here of course being you'd then need to be selected by your local constituency group, get approval from Con. HQ and win an election to count as a Con. MP.
All of which Anna Soubry has done.
I've yet to hear a single Conservative viewpoint being uttered from Soubry.
She also lied about the Royal Mail sell off too, so I think we can safely assume she is a tory.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I don't think the names have much bearing beyond historic baggage. I'd vote for a Nazi or conservative party if they were left of centre, and I'd stop voting labour if they moved right.
They need to be viewed on their current actions.
Some people will always vote for a party regardless of the policies though, which is pretty dangerous.
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FARMERS have had to leave thousands of tonnes of fresh fruit and vegetables to rot in fields because of the fall in the number of workers coming to Scotland from the EU since the UK voted for Brexit.
One farmer in Fife said he dumped enough vegetables to “feed 15,000 people for a year” because there “wasn’t enough hands” to harvest it. Another farmer in Angus said the region requires 4,000 seasonal workers a year and there simply aren’t enough unemployed locals to pick the fruit he grows.
he National Farmers Union (NFU) has surveyed Scottish farmers about the “threats facing your businesses as a result of possible labour shortages” which it says have been “compounded by negotiations to leave the EU”.
The results of the survey – which are expected to make difficult reading for UK Government rural affairs minister Michael Gove – will be announced on Thursday by NFU Scotland President Andrew McCornick at the union’s AGM.
It is anticipated that farmers will demand a return of the Seasonal Agricultural Workers’ Scheme (SAWS) – closed by the UK Government in 2013 – which granted permits for thousands of workers from outside the EU to come to the UK to assist with harvest before returning home.
The NFU hopes an influx of those seasonal workers would fill a workforce gap which was created after a 20 per cent fall in the number of EU workers in some parts of Scotland last year.
McCornick said: “Access to workers remains a key priority, particularly for some very successful parts of our industry that are heavily dependent on non-UK labour.
“This year, there has been a shortage of between 10 and 20 percent of seasonal workers coming from the EU. To tackle that it is essential that we have a UK Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme in place for 2018 with work permits for up to 20,000 workers from outside the EU.”
NFU Scotland’s Horticulture Committee Chairman, James Porter, who grows soft fruit in Carnoustie, said there is “hardly a punnet of Scottish strawberries or a head of broccoli that isn’t picked by non-UK workers”. He has called on Gove to introduce a pilot seasonal scheme in Scotland.
He said: “For a major soft fruit area like Angus, the importance of seasonal workers cannot be underestimated. There are only 1,400 long term unemployed in Angus, yet Angus Soft Fruits – the group that I supply with soft fruit – needs a seasonal workforce of 4,000 to pick crops. With the massive growth that we have seen in our soft fruit and veg sectors in Scotland it is simply impossible for that labour to be sourced locally.
“Immigration is a political hot potato, but it is important to note that these seasonal workers would have next to no impact on the UK’s net immigration figures as, seasonal workers would all return home.
“If the political climate in England makes it difficult to introduce a seasonal workers scheme there, I am certain a pilot would be well received in Scotland.”
The SNP’s Europe spokesman Stephen Gethins MP said the UK Government’s “lack of action” to help farmers and other food and drink producers “will mean higher prices and more waste”.
He added: “It’s increasingly apparent that taking us out of the EU will impact across a range of sectors affecting each and every one of us – this includes the food and drink sector where farmers and other businesses rely on workers from across the EU who harvest the food that we eat.”
A spokeswoman for the Department of Food, Agriculture and Rural Affairs, which Michael Gove runs, said: “We recognise securing a strong agricultural workforce is crucial as we develop a new approach to farming outside the EU.
“The Government has commissioned advice from the Migration Advisory Committee to better understand reliance on EU migrant workers across the wider economy and we will work closely with our food and farming industry to consider their specific needs.”
FARMER FORCED TO LEAVE ENOUGH FOOD TO FEED 15,000 IN FIELDS TO ROT
James Orr produces broccoli, cauliflower, potatoes, carrots and parsnips at Milton of Blebo Farm outside St Andrews. He must employ at least 30 people in the peak months of August to November but said he had “15 per cent fewer people than I would have liked” last year.
He said: “We simply could not harvest everything and as a result we left produce in the field to rot. We worked out there was enough broccoli to feed 15,000 people for a year, in terms of their annual consumption. Had we had enough hands to pick it we could certainly have sold it. We supply just over 1,000 tonnes of broccoli but we ended up coming up short on that contract. We reckon we lost somewhere between £30,000 and £50,000.”
Orr is now making “difficult decisions” about how much he can produce this year. “We have to decide whether we have the confidence to put the crop in the ground not knowing whether we’re going to have enough hands to harvest it,” he said.
Orr is also involved with farmers’ co-operative East of Scotland Growers which has a membership responsible for producing between 20 and 25 per cent of the UK’s broccoli requirement. “We’re quite big players but Brexit means that is now at risk,” Orr added. “It would effectively be imported if we can’t produce it.”
Going well already.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Ok May and the pack of right wing ultras pulling her strings just went from incompetent and darkly funny to full on 1984 sinister.
She is setting up a ministry of truth to decide what are proper sources of news and ensure that newspapers are meeting good standards. Which would be ok if she was not in it up to her neck with Darce and Murdoch.
Also the internet and social media are bad for "Democracy" and MP's should not be abused or questioned, at least we now know what she was doing in China.
So we have the love child of Mr Burns and Cruela du Ville who lacks there empathy and humanity. Deciding that the best way to stay in power is to turn us into a low budget Chinese knock off with the added bonus of inbreeds like Smug and Johnson.
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
With all due respect - that's wishy-washy nonsense.
If you applied that logic to the Nazi party i.e don't judge them by past actions, because they now believe in equality for all and nuclear disarmament, etc etc
you'd get laughed out of town.
I expect a Communist party to be Communist. A Conservative party to be Conservative, and the SNP to believe in Scottish independence etc etc
is that too much to ask for?
As I've said before, the poison of Blairism has badly infected British politics for nigh 20 years
You can only occupy the centre ground for so long...
That's too simplistic and is trying to pigeon hole a view into a simple sound bite. The actions of the party or individual is important and those views change over time, that is to be expected. Conservatives could become left wing orientated with a view to 'conserving' the environment. It's unlikely a party calling themselves the Nazis is likely to get much headway, because of past connotations but that doesn't stop them having policies that are completely unlike those of the past (let's say full global disarmament in a peaceful manner). Symbols and names change in meaning (take the swastika for example, that was around a lot longer before the 1930s)
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
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"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
A man who alleged he was the victim of a VIP child abuse ring faces multiple charges relating to the possession of indecent images of children.
The man, known as Nick, claimed a paedophile ring was responsible for murdering three children.
He also said he was systematically abused and tortured by senior politicians and members of the armed forces during the 1970s and 80s.
The claims triggered the abandoned Met Police investigation Operation Midland.
Those he accused included former Conservative politicians Lord Brittan and Harvey Proctor, and Field Marshall Lord Bramall.
After the Met launched Operation Midland in 2014 they held a press conference where a senior detective described Nick's allegations as "credible and true".
In 2015, the Met carried out a series of high-profile dawn raids on the homes of those Nick had accused.
All of them denied his allegations and no evidence whatsoever was found to support Nick's claims.
After the £2.5m investigation was closed, without any charges, the Met apologised for the way they had conducted the inquiry and paid compensation to those who were accused.
A report into Operation Midland, carried out by a retired High Court judge, said the Met had made a series of errors in the investigation and made 25 recommendations on how police should handle similar allegations in the future.
Nick's real identity cannot be reported for legal reasons.
The offences he was charged with last year - but which can only be reported now - relate to indecent images of children of varying levels of seriousness, including the most serious.
Some of the offences are alleged to have happened during the same period he was talking to Operation Midland detectives.
"Nick" is also being investigated for perverting the course of justice and fraud - a file of evidence for those offences has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service.
The perils of politically motivated investigations.
South Korea has already indicated that it wants to address its trade deficit with the U.K., which was particularly high between 2012 and 2015, before granting Britain continued market access during transition, EU diplomats and business people said.
“Exports are South Korea’s credo No. 1, and trade balance is their credo No. 2,” said Christoph Heider, president of the European Chamber of Commerce in Korea, who is in close contact with the government in Seoul. “I expect that Great Britain will have to make concessions if it wants to stay in the trade deal during the transition.”
Trade threats during the transition period might provide extra leverage to third countries on future deals, potentially forcing longer-term concessions on the U.K. in return for maintaining trade in the short term.
r_squared wrote: He's talking gak, the definition of Trolling. Throw in an outrageous statement to inflame and back it up with nothing, sit back and watch people argue over feth all. Ignore him.
....
Bring back UKIP.
So.... kettle, how black thou art?
Ketara wrote: 'I can't provide any evidence that she was explicitly actually aware of precisely what occurred there, but I'm damn well sure going to act like I can through vague insinuation!'
Well, there was the resignation of Sir Arthur Young, but you can always claim that she never bothered to read his resignation after only 8 months in Kenya, or bothered to ask him about it when she later knighted him. He even had the nasty habit of writing to his superiors in protest. '"The other lamentable aspect of this case is the horror of some of the so-called screening camps which, in my judgement, now present a state of affairs so deplorable that they should be investigated without delay. An African who is unfortunate enough to suffer from the brutalities which are clearly evident has no-one to whom he can complain,"
The fact that there was also a tour, by various ministers from white hall, allowing them to watch the torturers in action.
To put it mildly, while I can't, as you point out, 100% prove that she knew in explicit detail what went on, the odds of her Majesty being in the dark were, shall we say, rather slim. I suspect that Iain Macleod did not come up with the idea of destroying the most damning of the Colonial Office documents out of thin air.
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Well, there was the resignation of Sir Arthur Young, but you can always claim that she never bothered to read his resignation after only 8 months in Kenya, or bothered to ask him about it when she later knighted him. He even had the nasty habit of writing to his superiors in protest. '"The other lamentable aspect of this case is the horror of some of the so-called screening camps which, in my judgement, now present a state of affairs so deplorable that they should be investigated without delay. An African who is unfortunate enough to suffer from the brutalities which are clearly evident has no-one to whom he can complain,"
The fact that there was also a tour, by various ministers from white hall, allowing them to watch the torturers in action.
To put it mildly, while I can't, as you point out, 100% prove that she knew in explicit detail what went on, the odds of her Majesty being in the dark were, shall we say, rather slim. I suspect that Iain Macleod did not come up with the idea of destroying the most damning of the Colonial Office documents out of thin air.
See, I'll be honest, you've actually linked nothing to the Queen specifically knowing anything at all about Kenyan colonial politics/events beyond 'I reckon she must have discussed it with these people that she knighted twenty years later'. It's not so much as not being able to prove 100% as much as it is being able to prove 1%. You're simply taking the fact that the Queen knighted two people, and the separate fact that some rather nasty occurrences happened in Kenya that those people were cognisant of, and saying that it proves the Queen knew all about it (and thus endorsed it by knighting one of the fellows responsible).
After a little digging, it would appear that Young's resignation letter was actually suppressed by the British Government and more implicit to begin with. All the letters I could find in which he explicitly discussed what was going on were sent to the Governor, not the Queen. The Governor being a representative of the British Government, if technically installed by the Queen (like most of the Government). The press had no idea what was going on for the most part, beyond the occasional allegation. There were a few books published in the 50's from eyewitness accounts, but virtually all the charges were flatly denounced or contradicted by the Government. Indeed, the whole affair seems to have been generally buried for the most part at the time and immediately subsequently. Only recently does it seem to have surfaced in any detail.
I find it quite plausible that the Prime Minister wasn't making a habit of wandering in to the Queen and saying, 'Hey, did you know those gents we sent out in your name are off torturing people and committing war crimes? Yeah, we're denying it everywhere else, but I figured I'd let you know'. I also find it quite plausible that the Queen didn't say whilst tapping the relevant gentlemen on the shoulder with a sword 'You know gents, I've been dying to ask you about what happened in that one little slice of Empire from twenty years ago....'
Note that I'm not saying that you're wrong. But having assessed all the evidence I could lay my hands on after twenty minutes or so of idle reading, it appears just as likely that she may well not have known (or even somewhat more so). Again, if you have any relevant evidence/proof, I'd welcome the opportunity to learn something new, but right now your criticism of the lady would appear unjustified. I daresay on the balance of probability that she vaguely was aware something was up and some less than savoury things happened over there; but such an imprecise moniker could likely have been applied to half the Empire. Kenya likely didn't stick out any more than the rest of them did as far as contemporary events/politics went at the time.
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Official impact assessment for the now rather interesting Customs Bill - measures the impact of leaving EU & Customs Union, with and without legislating for UK law replacement. Doesn’t model actual exit from the customs union:
"It would be utterly perverse for the EU to impose tariffs on trade between the UK and the European Union and I don't think they would be so destructive to do that," says Bernard Jenkin #r4today
.. do they perhaps not know what WTO rules actually means ?
The review will look into sustainable funding models for the printed press at national, regional and local level.
.... just after the Sun and the Mail both post losses ...
..hmmm ..
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
A man who alleged he was the victim of a VIP child abuse ring faces multiple charges relating to the possession of indecent images of children.
The man, known as Nick, claimed a paedophile ring was responsible for murdering three children.
He also said he was systematically abused and tortured by senior politicians and members of the armed forces during the 1970s and 80s.
The claims triggered the abandoned Met Police investigation Operation Midland.
Those he accused included former Conservative politicians Lord Brittan and Harvey Proctor, and Field Marshall Lord Bramall.
After the Met launched Operation Midland in 2014 they held a press conference where a senior detective described Nick's allegations as "credible and true".
In 2015, the Met carried out a series of high-profile dawn raids on the homes of those Nick had accused.
All of them denied his allegations and no evidence whatsoever was found to support Nick's claims.
After the £2.5m investigation was closed, without any charges, the Met apologised for the way they had conducted the inquiry and paid compensation to those who were accused.
A report into Operation Midland, carried out by a retired High Court judge, said the Met had made a series of errors in the investigation and made 25 recommendations on how police should handle similar allegations in the future.
Nick's real identity cannot be reported for legal reasons.
The offences he was charged with last year - but which can only be reported now - relate to indecent images of children of varying levels of seriousness, including the most serious.
Some of the offences are alleged to have happened during the same period he was talking to Operation Midland detectives.
"Nick" is also being investigated for perverting the course of justice and fraud - a file of evidence for those offences has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service.
The perils of politically motivated investigations.
I thought that sometimes the victims of abuse can become abusers later in life - creating a vicious chain - not saying that happened here but its possible?
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A man who alleged he was the victim of a VIP child abuse ring faces multiple charges relating to the possession of indecent images of children.
The man, known as Nick, claimed a paedophile ring was responsible for murdering three children.
He also said he was systematically abused and tortured by senior politicians and members of the armed forces during the 1970s and 80s.
The claims triggered the abandoned Met Police investigation Operation Midland.
Those he accused included former Conservative politicians Lord Brittan and Harvey Proctor, and Field Marshall Lord Bramall.
After the Met launched Operation Midland in 2014 they held a press conference where a senior detective described Nick's allegations as "credible and true".
In 2015, the Met carried out a series of high-profile dawn raids on the homes of those Nick had accused.
All of them denied his allegations and no evidence whatsoever was found to support Nick's claims.
After the £2.5m investigation was closed, without any charges, the Met apologised for the way they had conducted the inquiry and paid compensation to those who were accused.
A report into Operation Midland, carried out by a retired High Court judge, said the Met had made a series of errors in the investigation and made 25 recommendations on how police should handle similar allegations in the future.
Nick's real identity cannot be reported for legal reasons.
The offences he was charged with last year - but which can only be reported now - relate to indecent images of children of varying levels of seriousness, including the most serious.
Some of the offences are alleged to have happened during the same period he was talking to Operation Midland detectives.
"Nick" is also being investigated for perverting the course of justice and fraud - a file of evidence for those offences has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service.
The perils of politically motivated investigations.
Or, and this is largely tinfoil hat turf, those he accused as seriously powerful.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
...It never struck one as that plausible that whilst Ted Heath was the Pm of the UK , during the height of the IRA bombing campaign, that he was nipping off on his own to abduct/abuse and/or murder orphans.
It's the party of the free market in full-on hypocrisy mode as they see a danger of losing two of their most active press supporters.
The Sun this week :
Spoiler:
meanwhile Anna Soubury received death threats earlier this week
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
"Decent journalism to ascertain the truth". I think at this point Murdoch has spent about £50M on payoffs (£11M to Brooks alone) and legal fees to avoid any of the "truth" about phone-hacking becoming public. Can't wait to be subsiding that sort of thing.
I can understand wanting to do something about news-scraping. It's handy for the consumer but it does steal advertising away from the producer. Why it needs special legislation I don't understand.
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reds8n wrote: ...It never struck one as that plausible that whilst Ted Heath was the Pm of the UK , during the height of the IRA bombing campaign, that he was nipping off on his own to abduct/abuse and/or murder orphans.
It depends on who else was involved. I doubt he was going to be allowed to wander the streets on his own looking for victims, but being dropped off at a friends country manner by security services who take a few hours cigarette break? Seems pretty plausible to me. He'd have more excuses for needing privacy than most.
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If you look at what happened to, say, Lord Mountbatten, I don't think it's all very likely.
I'm sure Heath was gay and was from that generation where " that sort of thing" wasn't approved of and so forth.
But I think it's a stretch to go from there to him drowning children off of his yacht.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Kilkrazy wrote: That is the same Daily Mail that branded British judges upholding citizen rights under constitutional law as "Enemies of the People."
I wouldn't wipe my rear with the mail, but a free press in a free nation, which ours is supposed to be, has every right to say that, however distasteful it may be...
Can't believe I'm defending the Mail
but liberty is for everybody, not just the people you like
Probably forgot to declare a box of earl grey or something. No big deal
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
If you look at what happened to, say, Lord Mountbatten, I don't think it's all very likely.
I'm sure Heath was gay and was from that generation where " that sort of thing" wasn't approved of and so forth.
But I think it's a stretch to go from there to him drowning children off of his yacht.
I also am sure Heath was gay. But he has been dead for years, how are the police going to prosecute him? I think Cliff Richard probably is gay too. If he wants to keep his privacy he is entitled to.
Doesn't this whole thing feed off the old (and disproven) prejudice about gay men being paedophiles?
It's easier to believe that the extensive investigation has turned up no evidence, as police say, rather than been successfully suppressed by shadowy forces. I don't see how such a widespread conspiracy could be kept quiet in the mdoern world.
If you look at what happened to, say, Lord Mountbatten, I don't think it's all very likely.
I'm sure Heath was gay and was from that generation where " that sort of thing" wasn't approved of and so forth.
But I think it's a stretch to go from there to him drowning children off of his yacht.
Also, don't you think it's strange that Britian's enemies: IRA, Soviet Union, East Germany etc etc never picked up on this if it were true?
It's not as though they could have used it to blackmail the British Prime Minister or something.
Private Eye has debunked the Ted Heath rumours so many times, it's not funny anymore.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Failing to declare an interest in a multi-million pound tobacco investment, whilst speaking out against Tobacco legislation?
Stand Tory, 101.
I was joking of course, but I doubt if his constituents give a damn, if we're being honest. He'll win again at the next election.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Kilkrazy wrote: That is the same Daily Mail that branded British judges upholding citizen rights under constitutional law as "Enemies of the People."
Person who rote that is now T. May's Press Sec.
I kid you not.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I'm sadly not all that surprised, since it essentially was May who led the government effort to evade the requirements of parliamentary sovereignty in that case.
