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 Backspacehacker wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I'm pretty sure in a Q&A on Facebook, GW said that the starter set will be released with two new factions (or hinted, or it was a rumour? Maybe someone can link what I'm talking about here), I'm going to say that Death Guard are going to be their own faction, like the Thousand Sons, and the NuMarines will also be their own faction. That's just what I think anyway


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 Backspacehacker wrote:
Truth be told to, i would not really care if lore wise they say they gave space marines more spacemariney, i just dont want new fething scale models. Because i dont wanna have to pay AoS prices for 10 fething guys.

I mean liberators are 62 USD for 10, i dont wanna pay that for 10 tac marines.

They're $100AU :/ my wallet bleeds pretty bad. That said, they're glorious figures, so if the NuMarines are as top notch, I'd be (sadly) willing to continue wounding my poor wallet

Eh IMO, AoS is suffering from an over designed model problem. Like the new models are cool and all, but they are WAY over designed, great to paint as a single model, but if your painting a large army, they are awful to paint and assemble.

That's GW in general. They really go overboard on a lot of models with extraneous gubbins and styling that look cool in close up photo shoots, but are a PITA to paint and are impossible to see from tabletop height or that just make the model look like a jumbled mess from any distance. You can see it in 40k stuff like the Dark Vengeance Chosen, Scions, etc.

 Lobukia wrote:
Until they're banned from play, I'll be using my old marines... but i'm hoping I can use the NuMarines within the chapters, not as a separate faction

So far, rumors and GW's hints are that you will be able to.

 Rippy wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
A new faction to take alongside the usual marines and other imperials.

Is that a wishlist? Because they are already confirmed as different units for SM, an elite space marine.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/724730.page

Spoiler:

Those links do not confirm anything of the sort.

They will be elite marines, but I think that they will be treated as another faction for you to use alongside your existing imperial armies.

They did say that there was going to be two new factions at launch, I think they mean these and the death guard.

I don't agree with either of these options.

My guess is they will be genetically engineered from the emperor's DNA, and be heavy-hitters, one per chapter.

You don't have to bring back the lost primarchs to get new ones.

 Purifier wrote:
Sure, but the scale has outpaced the lore around space marines. They're supposed to be pretty huge, but if you put a marine next to a Skitarii, the Skitarii is taller. And they're supposed to be just normal people with their legs hacked off and replaced with equivalent metal legs.
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There is a significant difference between someone who is 8' tall and stocky and someone wearing stilts.

I think they will come in smaller squads with their own transports, similar to how the custodes are at the moment in 40k

My guess, they will be some kind of weird mixture of Primarch and Thunder Warrior technologies.
Also on the other perspective, now they can make CSM to be proper horde punching bag for NuMarines, as these new space marines are superior even storywise. So you can happily play and lose with CSM because hey that's fluffy.

Can someone please link? I'm probably an idiot but I've been all over the community site, warhammmer40000.com, and warhammer tv. I see the post about charging but can't find where this 'nu-marine' thing is coming from.

Apple fox wrote:
New type of marine makes me sad :( would have actually been kinda excited for GW to just update the minis at this point.

Don't stress, I honestly think that by 9th edition (or future story progression) old marines will be phased out all together.


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Danny slag wrote:
Can someone please link? I'm probably an idiot but I've been all over the community site, warhammmer40000.com, and warhammer tv. I see the post about charging but can't find where this 'nu-marine' thing is coming from.

Teaser - New Heroes for a Dark Imperium:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/30/warhammer-40000-watch-the-new-teaser-nowgw-homepage-post-1/

Can't wait until the put the nuMarines in nuTerminator/Centurion armor. Statwise, I'll bet they'll be very close to Custodes

Thankfully, I've already got enough marines to last me centuries, so I can pass on new models or Codexes. What I need to work on is filling out an orc army before prices jump (again).

 Marmatag wrote:
I don't agree with either of these options.

My guess is they will be genetically engineered from the emperor's DNA, and be heavy-hitters, one per chapter.

You don't have to bring back the lost primarchs to get new ones.

Except they wouldn't be showing entire squad being painted for same colours if they were such a center piece(plus model is way too small for that really).

And GW isn't doing much of 0-1 choices except for really big models since it obviously limit sales.

Can I say Both?

I don't doubt there'll be rules for the Nu-Marines, but at the same time I don't doubt that people still playing the old marines are going to sweep up the Nu-Marines to "get the right size". Even CSM players will grab some, because bully if they're going to let themselves get the raw end of the deal again like that.

These guys were designed to pick at that part of a SM brainpan that likes the idea of being the best thing. It'll appeal to the guys who like movie marines. It'll appeal to the guys that have or wanted to covert some true scale marines. It's for those guys who like the mental image of marines as 9 foot tall gods of war, rather than the 7-8' guys who are just good at a fight.

it's marketing genius, really.

I have a hunch chaos will get their own fun toys.

Wait, that's the video you guys are getting all this from? That's an animated fluff video. Youre extrapolating all kinds of wild assumptions from it. Seems like some no mans sky-ism is going on here.

Danny slag wrote:
Wait, that's the video you guys are getting all this from? That's an animated fluff video. Youre extrapolating all kinds of wild assumptions from it. Seems like some no mans sky-ism is going on here.

See also the pics in this thread:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/724088.page

I am hoping not a full faction more of like a few new units priced accordingly mixed into main space marines. like a new elite heavy hitter, a more robust tough troop, a goof shock troop in fast attack and maybe some new shooty version in the heavy support. but the fetching space marines codex has so many units already it might just be a limited army like the custodies that allies of other armies.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I am hoping not a full faction more of like a few new units priced accordingly mixed into main space marines. like a new elite heavy hitter, a more robust tough troop, a goof shock troop in fast attack and maybe some new shooty version in the heavy support. but the fetching space marines codex has so many units already it might just be a limited army like the custodies that allies of other armies.

I have a feeling that all the imperial stuff is going to be in one book anyway.

 Rayvon wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I am hoping not a full faction more of like a few new units priced accordingly mixed into main space marines. like a new elite heavy hitter, a more robust tough troop, a goof shock troop in fast attack and maybe some new shooty version in the heavy support. but the fetching space marines codex has so many units already it might just be a limited army like the custodies that allies of other armies.

I have a feeling that all the imperial stuff is going to be in one book anyway.

yea, the AOS model.
generals handbook for most then special rules in other books. there will likely be 1 or two imperium of man books. might have one for space marines and one for inquisition, sisters, custodies, mechanicum, guard, skitarri and the new marines to sell more though.

I am just a little jealous of all the attention imperium armies get while my orks and mal'al armies just kinda dwindle

 Rayvon wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I am hoping not a full faction more of like a few new units priced accordingly mixed into main space marines. like a new elite heavy hitter, a more robust tough troop, a goof shock troop in fast attack and maybe some new shooty version in the heavy support. but the fetching space marines codex has so many units already it might just be a limited army like the custodies that allies of other armies.

I have a feeling that all the imperial stuff is going to be in one book anyway.

I hope so. As much as I love the other chapters, they really need to make them all one book and have rules and units for the other main chapters if you want to take that army.

They are new marines with better stats and weapons and will start off as a new faction of UltraUltra Marines, the video at 1:12 said that existing space marines chapters that were depleted can take advantage of the new technology to grow their ranks again.

It's obvious GW thought this out very well. Instead of out right voiding SM armies out there and having everyone rage, they came up with a slick way to make the transition. You could either start a whole new NuMarine army if you want, or slowly transition into a NuMarine army chapter of choice.

First a regular SM army can get a Super SM unit as a troop choice, or Elite, or fast (as new product of the numarines are released). The better stats and newer cooler models will be hard, or impossible, to resist for both looks & play-ability of your army.

Then, eventually, you can have a Space Wolf or Blood Angels army full of numarines after a year, and be like "What just happened?"

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I am hoping not a full faction more of like a few new units priced accordingly mixed into main space marines. like a new elite heavy hitter, a more robust tough troop, a goof shock troop in fast attack and maybe some new shooty version in the heavy support. but the fetching space marines codex has so many units already it might just be a limited army like the custodies that allies of other armies.

I have a feeling that all the imperial stuff is going to be in one book anyway.

I hope so. As much as I love the other chapters, they really need to make them all one book and have rules and units for the other main chapters if you want to take that army.

I think this is the way its heading, I reckon they will add the new factions, like these numarines and DG but they will share allegiance with other factions.
You can mix and match then, and buy more stuff !!!

I would not be surprised if marine players end up playing just units of numarines eventually, if its possible, I guess it depends what flavours they do.

Don't you guys think that numarines is a soft transition for GW to transfer ALL marines to the new standard in 9th. ed.?

I am kinda in between as I can see the upsides and downsides...

 VikingWarrior wrote:

Don't you guys think that numarines is a soft transition for GW to transfer ALL marines to the new standard in 9th. ed.?

I am kinda in between as I can see the upsides and downsides...

Saw a thing on reddit that their facebook confirmed that they are not replacing the marines with the numarines. It would be a nightmare to switch the entire force over to the numarines.

You guys need to stop having wild theories- wild fan theories as a general rule are almost always false. These are either better marines in terms of a fresher source or perfected genetically.

Or Cawl has been breeding space marines for ten thousand years from the tithes the Admech collects and freezing them for a rainy day.

 Rayvon wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
A new faction to take alongside the usual marines and other imperials.

Is that a wishlist? Because they are already confirmed as different units for SM, an elite space marine.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/724730.page

Spoiler:

Those links do not confirm anything of the sort.

They will be elite marines, but I think that they will be treated as another faction for you to use alongside your existing imperial armies.

They did say that there was going to be two new factions at launch, I think they mean these and the death guard.

The video at 1:12 says "...to the valiant chapters lost in duty, driven to destruction, we offer rebirth!"

 Wyzilla wrote:
You guys need to stop having wild theories- wild fan theories as a general rule are almost always false. These are either better marines in terms of a fresher source or perfected genetically.

Or Cawl has been breeding space marines for ten thousand years from the tithes the Admech collects and freezing them for a rainy day.

I also don't think they are bringing genetically perfected marines, as that would remove Death Company, or traits that make Space Wolves or other chapters unique. But then again, maybe that's the plan, to make every chapter as generic as Ultramarines, so they did things like destroy Fenris and the Blood Angels

Here, this too - from the first person to leak the rumor of numarines & apparently one of the best rumormongers out there -

info via 75Hastings69 (DISQUS)

I wouldn’t be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards
expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons
I’ve known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc.
I was told about new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies
New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines
I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted.
focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters,
SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight
new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much,
new marines are different to current marines,
SHOULD be their own army,
however that’s not to say they wont also be added to existing chapters as a choice somehow,
in fact from a sales point of view it would probably be better to offer them to existing marine players as something new they can buy

I still don't believe 75Hastings69, first, he is like a TV psychic claiming he predicted events that already happened at the time he had made the prediction. Second, there is nothing falsifiable in there, if Nu-Marines replace the existing chapters he will say he called it, and if they are supplementary he will say he called that as well. Third, there is nothing in there that wouldn't also apply to custodes.

It's arguable that he's already been proven wrong on one of his points, Both space wolves and dark angels seem to feature heavily in whatever is coming, probably because their primarchs are the two are most likely to return.

Hastings has an 80+% accuracy rate, if there actually was a TV psychic that good, we'd have confirmation of ESP.

Also worth noting those comments are now two months old and predate any other info that was in public domain.

But doubt away, I know where my money is.

They're a new type of marine, but the beginning of the replacement of the existing range of Space Marine models. Hastings said as much- that they won't be producing much in the way of new current-Space Marine kits. And with the Nu-marines filling in for the "dwindling" chapters, fluff-wise they'll eventually replace the old marines.

Current Space Marines will exist as veterans/remnants in the lore, but GW won't be producing Space Marines of two very similar sizes (I can imagine that would look like a mess on the tabletop), and these guys are the future.