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 warboss wrote:

skarsol wrote:
"- In matched play, models have a fixed base size specified in the General’s Handbook. In the two other game types, they can use any base they want"

If that ended up being true, that would be a giant FU to anyone who modeled their stuff with a different base because of their previous "use whatever base you want" policy. Hopefully that's one of the wildly inaccurate ones.

I have a 2nd/3rd ed 7,000pt marine army on which all terminators (15 + characters) are still on their original 25mm bases. If no one objects, I use them on those. For players who think I'm trying to score an advantage (usually younger players who never saw them officially sold/used), I have some wood 40mm primed black bases that I bring with just in case and put them on top.

Good idea! I'm more concerned with basic marines having moved to 32mm. That's a LOT of rebasing (temporary or otherwise).

Guys... I doubt anyone would care. Just as long as it's not an obvious 'gaming the system' sort of thing.

Wait, was Rowboat always "Lord Commander of the Imperium's armies"? I'm not exactly up to speed with the SM fluff (in fact it's been not since 5th that I've actually even read their codex), but wasn't the purpose of breaking all of the Legions into 1000-man strong chapters to keep any one group from becoming too powerful again?

 daedalus wrote:
Wait, was Rowboat always "Lord Commander of the Imperium's armies"? I'm not exactly up to speed with the SM fluff (in fact it's been not since 5th that I've actually even read their codex), but wasn't the purpose of breaking all of the Legions into 1000-man strong chapters to keep any one group from becoming too powerful again?

I think they just recently coronated him.

 warboss wrote:

skarsol wrote:
"- In matched play, models have a fixed base size specified in the General’s Handbook. In the two other game types, they can use any base they want"

If that ended up being true, that would be a giant FU to anyone who modeled their stuff with a different base because of their previous "use whatever base you want" policy. Hopefully that's one of the wildly inaccurate ones.

I have a 2nd/3rd ed 7,000pt marine army on which all terminators (15 + characters) are still on their original 25mm bases. If no one objects, I use them on those. For players who think I'm trying to score an advantage (usually younger players who never saw them officially sold/used), I have some wood 40mm primed black bases that I bring with just in case and put them on top. That said, it's alot easier when your talking about a small subsection of the army (terminators) instead of the majority. I wouldn't relish having to do that with the 50-60 normal marines still on 25mm bases instead of the current 30mm included ones (or are they 32mm?).

Ditto, I just blu-tac my older Terminators onto 40mm bases in the rare event that anyone objects.

I have no desire to rebase several hundred Marines from 25 to 32mm bases though.

It would be kinda funny to see all the people who bought the Forge World Avatar trying to fit him onto a 40mm base though.

 daedalus wrote:
Wait, was Rowboat always "Lord Commander of the Imperium's armies"? I'm not exactly up to speed with the SM fluff (in fact it's been not since 5th that I've actually even read their codex), but wasn't the purpose of breaking all of the Legions into 1000-man strong chapters to keep any one group from becoming too powerful again?

He coronated himself as that title, so... yeah. The hipocrisy is strong in him

 Jambles wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
They might use this to bring back more "dead" primarchs from the past.

They don't need "warp did it" for THAT many. Ready to come back without that much issues(apart from issue of primarch coming back in the first place): Lion, Russ, Khan, Vulkan, all chaos primarches except Horus, Alpharius/Omegon, Curze.

Really only ones that requires hefty "warp did it" would be Horus, Sanguinius, Ferrus and to a degree Dorn(though he COULD be explained without warp though would still be raising eyebrows) plus above 3 chaos ones.

Plus obviously the 2 missing ones would require some VERY HEAVY "warp did it" handwavium

I dunno about Curze, he seems pretty dead. And his story sort of came full-circle in that his death was a meaningful vindication for him.

That's why I put him with Horus and Alph/Om as the chaos primarches who would be very difficult to explain without "warp did it"

Rest are all alive so don't really require much justification for coming active in lore again. But those 3(4) are killed and in case of Horus was annihilated body AND soul.

Curze coming back would either require some heavy retconning(no he was not killed. he faked it) taking out one of the cooler parts of his fluff(him deliberately letting himself killed to vindicate himself by proving Imperium is no better than he was. Also fulfilling his prophecy. It would kill him mentally if his visions wouldn't be 100% true after all) or some serious "warp did it" justification.

 daedalus wrote:
Wait, was Rowboat always "Lord Commander of the Imperium's armies"? I'm not exactly up to speed with the SM fluff (in fact it's been not since 5th that I've actually even read their codex), but wasn't the purpose of breaking all of the Legions into 1000-man strong chapters to keep any one group from becoming too powerful again?

He was the leader the the High Lords of Terra (and a representative stood in for him in his name in the time between the Heresy and now), so it's not a stretch to say he's in charge of the Imperium before, though it looks like things were taken a step further and he's basically the Emperor 2: Electric Boogaloo at the moment.

EDIT: Nicked from Lexicanum's High Lords of Terra article:

The position of Lord Commander of the Imperium, first held by Roboute Guilliman, continued after his wounding at the hands of Fulgrim. There were still holders of the title, often simply referred to as "Lord Guilliman" in the Primarch's honor, until at least mid-M32. The Lord Commander served as the Chairman of the Senatorum.

So yeah, he just took his old job back it seems.

With the destruction of Cadia and Chaos all over the place like a cheap suit, these are desperate times, so yeah, assuming the Lord Commander mantle is justified in my book.

Asmodai wrote:Ditto, I just blu-tac my older Terminators onto 40mm bases in the rare event that anyone objects.

I have no desire to rebase several hundred Marines from 25 to 32mm bases though.

It would be kinda funny to see all the people who bought the Forge World Avatar trying to fit him onto a 40mm base though.

Leaping into the air on one foot on a 40mm base? Or converting him into a Captain Morgan pose on a slanted rock? Yeah, no real good answers there. I too am curious to see what the official stance on this will be.

docdoom77 wrote:Good idea! I'm more concerned with basic marines having moved to 32mm. That's a LOT of rebasing (temporary or otherwise).

Thanks... and I share that concern. Like I said, it's a different story to do so with 3 squads of 5 terminators plus a handful of characters when the base size jump is so drastic compared with when you have to do it with 6 full squads plus triple the number of characters for a half step base size increase relatively. I know there are conversion broken rings out there to just snap onto the 25mm bases but they're not cheap when you're talking about 70ish models worth. I'm not sure that it's worth it for a 20 year old nostaliga army with all OOP models (except for a few 2nd character models they've kept) for a game that I've increasingly disliked mechanically for two editions. I've got 5 main armies (roughly one space marine classic 7k, newer all terminator marines 3k, tau 3k, eldar 3k, IG 3k) and I only bothered to update one fully to 7th edition... and played with it twice IIRC.

 warboss wrote:
Thanks... and I share that concern. Like I said, it's a different story to do so with 3 squads of 5 terminators plus a handful of characters when the base size jump is so drastic compared with when you have to do it with 6 full squads plus triple the number of characters for a half step base size increase relatively.

Noob I have like 200 blood angels alone! Plus dark angels and space wolves...Vehicles are in dire lack though.

Yeah ain't going to rebase those. Too much trouble. If I'm out of tournaments due to that then I'm out of tournaments.

 Asmodai wrote:

 warboss wrote:

skarsol wrote:
"- In matched play, models have a fixed base size specified in the General’s Handbook. In the two other game types, they can use any base they want"

If that ended up being true, that would be a giant FU to anyone who modeled their stuff with a different base because of their previous "use whatever base you want" policy. Hopefully that's one of the wildly inaccurate ones.

I have a 2nd/3rd ed 7,000pt marine army on which all terminators (15 + characters) are still on their original 25mm bases. If no one objects, I use them on those. For players who think I'm trying to score an advantage (usually younger players who never saw them officially sold/used), I have some wood 40mm primed black bases that I bring with just in case and put them on top. That said, it's alot easier when your talking about a small subsection of the army (terminators) instead of the majority. I wouldn't relish having to do that with the 50-60 normal marines still on 25mm bases instead of the current 30mm included ones (or are they 32mm?).

Ditto, I just blu-tac my older Terminators onto 40mm bases in the rare event that anyone objects.

I have no desire to rebase several hundred Marines from 25 to 32mm bases though.

It would be kinda funny to see all the people who bought the Forge World Avatar trying to fit him onto a 40mm base though.

Seriously have never seen that model placed on an actual table top. I thought that and the FW Keeper of Secrets were sculpts for display only.

tneva82 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Thanks... and I share that concern. Like I said, it's a different story to do so with 3 squads of 5 terminators plus a handful of characters when the base size jump is so drastic compared with when you have to do it with 6 full squads plus triple the number of characters for a half step base size increase relatively.

Noob I have like 200 blood angels alone! Plus dark angels and space wolves...Vehicles are in dire lack though.

Yeah ain't going to rebase those. Too much trouble. If I'm out of tournaments due to that then I'm out of tournaments.

I sort of did that kind of thing.
My BA/DA armies were 100% GW
My Space Wolves were 80% GW
My Guard were 20% GW

 whembly wrote:
Guys... I doubt anyone would care. Just as long as it's not an obvious 'gaming the system' sort of thing.

If melee weapons get ranges it will become very problematic.

 whembly wrote:
Guys... I doubt anyone would care. Just as long as it's not an obvious 'gaming the system' sort of thing.

You'd be surprised. It happened to me multiple times in 5th edition in random friendly pick up games and that was 5 years closer to the models' original release dates AND with an official rule saying they were completely legal... in the South where supposedly (at least superficially) people are "friendlier" than in other parts of the country. It's amazing how many folks speak with utter certainty from a position of complete ignorance. I've had my metal 2nd ed terminator called illegal because of the bases and my old RT rhinos and land raider "toys" that I modelled to gain an advantage. There is a reason I carry around those 40mm wood underbases just in case (as well as my 3rd edition codex showing that the metal dreads, landspeeders, and plastic vehicles were in fact official). YMMV. Not even having an official rule allowing me to use them to fall back on would make the situation even harder although I fully admit I see the reasons why GW would discontinue some of that support (namely 25mm terminators). I wouldn't find discontinuing support for 25mm regular marines though to be reasonable given it was just changed this edition iirc and even then was only a partial rollout so far (although I haven't kept track recently... did they change all the older marine plastic kits to 32mm bases?). I also admit that I don't see an easy yet equitable way to partially rollout the change with a rule as well.

Smaller bases would be more of a detriment in 5th-7th editions over-all as you could fit more dudes under a blast template. They'll be over all closer together to maintain 2" coherency between smaller bases than larger ones.

In 5th, they had the "use the base the model comes with" rule, and I'd have zero problems with people using the small bases with old school terminators. I had a buddy whose tyrannids came with square bases back in the day (the old, metal psycher ones, I believe). Square! In 40k!

Back on topic, I'd be fine with you using your old bases in 8th edition.

 kronk wrote:
Smaller bases would be more of a detriment in 5th-7th editions over-all as you could fit more dudes under a blast template. They'll be over all closer together to maintain 2" coherency between smaller bases than larger ones.

In 5th, they had the "use the base the model comes with" rule, and I'd have zero problems with people using the small bases with old school terminators. I had a buddy whose tyrannids came with square bases back in the day (the old, metal psycher ones, I believe). Square! In 40k!

Back on topic, I'd be fine with you using your old bases in 8th edition.

Well, if I ever moved back to North Chicago then I'd be up for a game. In the meantime, I recommend the Rockland Cafe in Lake Bluff assuming they still exist.

I obviously didn't have an issue with people using the older bases for models that came with them. I did actually give a base free to a friend who based his modern terminator character on a 25mm base despite it coming with a 40mm one so that it would match another character he had that actually came on a 25mm one. I kept telling him that he would be ruining it for the rest of us (including himself) if he tried using Belial converted from a modern plastic kit on a 25mm base.

I do own a 3d printer. I am pretty sure there is these strangle little rings that go around a 25mm base to make them a 32mm base. I am more worried about the fact my PAGK came with 25mm bases in the box and I moved them upto 32mm bases because they look better.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
With the destruction of Cadia and Chaos all over the place like a cheap suit, these are desperate times, so yeah, assuming the Lord Commander mantle is justified in my book.

Yeah, what could go wrong with a Primarch having a position of complete authority over the military of the Imperium.

O bought lychguard after the reboxing this fall. 25mm bases, pissed me off. There are some boxes that still have the wrong base size in them which is annoying, I understand if it's the old packaging, but it shouldn't be in the newer boxes.

tneva82 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Thanks... and I share that concern. Like I said, it's a different story to do so with 3 squads of 5 terminators plus a handful of characters when the base size jump is so drastic compared with when you have to do it with 6 full squads plus triple the number of characters for a half step base size increase relatively.

Noob I have like 200 blood angels alone! Plus dark angels and space wolves...Vehicles are in dire lack though.

Yeah ain't going to rebase those. Too much trouble. If I'm out of tournaments due to that then I'm out of tournaments.

Aha, then I do maintain a small situation advantage! Mine are all veterans of the 3rd edition rhino rush days and are almost all mounted or equipped with jump packs (also blood angels). Heck, I even had a full complement of 3rd edition drop pods! (of course, back then there was no model and you just used the 5" blast template and deep strike rules so there is that... )

I've never been a tourney gamer (despite going once to one of the earliest adepticons and playing some very small local tournies) but I've found that the tourney mentality bleeds over frequently to supposedly "friendly" pick up games.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Guys... I doubt anyone would care. Just as long as it's not an obvious 'gaming the system' sort of thing.

If melee weapons get ranges it will become very problematic.

They are getting ranges, per GW on Facebook.

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
With the destruction of Cadia and Chaos all over the place like a cheap suit, these are desperate times, so yeah, assuming the Lord Commander mantle is justified in my book.

Yeah, what could go wrong with a Primarch having a position of complete authority over the military of the Imperium.

Canonically he already had it: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/High_Lords_of_Terra

Apparently he just took his old chair back.

 Ghaz wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Guys... I doubt anyone would care. Just as long as it's not an obvious 'gaming the system' sort of thing.

If melee weapons get ranges it will become very problematic.

They are getting ranges, per GW on Facebook.

Yea, so people will need to be on proper bases for tournaments. Otherwise those 25mm termies will be cramming way more attack in than those on 40mm.

 Red Corsair wrote:
O bought lychguard after the reboxing this fall. 25mm bases, pissed me off. There are some boxes that still have the wrong base size in them which is annoying, I understand if it's the old packaging, but it shouldn't be in the newer boxes.

So you mailed Geedubs and got replacements ent, yes? Cos they'd do that in a heartbeat.

I'm nor doing any panicking over rumours. Even then, I'll play people with more sense of fun than to try "Your Marines are on 25mm I AUTO WIN HAH!"

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Guys... I doubt anyone would care. Just as long as it's not an obvious 'gaming the system' sort of thing.

If melee weapons get ranges it will become very problematic.

They are getting ranges, per GW on Facebook.

Yea, so people will need to be on proper bases for tournaments. Otherwise those 25mm termies will be cramming way more attack in than those on 40mm.

Yes and no. Tournaments can decide to do whatever the hell they want. If GW said "you measure from the model, not the base" like in AOS, the vast majority of the player base would just ignore that rule.

 rollawaythestone wrote:


Yes and no. Tournaments can decide to do whatever the hell they want. If GW said "you measure from the model, not the base" like in AOS, the vast majority of the player base would just ignore that rule.

GW for sure won't take a harsh stance. This is just a word of caution for those expecting to play small bases in tournaments - you'll have a hard time finding groups that allow it.

Oh wait, so that line is from the Natfka rumours?

So we all got trolled then... move along, nothing to see here.

 Ghaz wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Guys... I doubt anyone would care. Just as long as it's not an obvious 'gaming the system' sort of thing.

If melee weapons get ranges it will become very problematic.

They are getting ranges, per GW on Facebook.

Ick, that's both an unnecessary complication of the melee rules, and a big nerf to the previous be in the front row or within 2 inches of the front row rule.

Now being behind the front rank mostly disqualifies you from hitting.

Melee weapon ranges make the consolidation move more important now it seems. And means anyone who can't hit can try to drag other units into melee since they're not actively engaged.