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 Carnikang wrote:

GW wrote:Q: How does a Tervigon work? Do I need to set points aside?
A: I guess we will see more on that in the Tyranid Focus article, winging this way faster than an impatient Haruspex.

CLEARLY they meant Harpy or Harridon here, as Haruspexes cannot fly.

*pushes up glasses and chortles*


But the way they're answering Tyranid probes has me thinking todays FF is our favorite dinosaur space-locust faction. Oh boiohboiohboi.

Faction Focuses aren't every day. We're looking at one likely next week and not today.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Faction Focuses aren't every day. We're looking at one likely next week and not today.

True, though one can wishfully hope.

At the bottom of 2days points article it says back tomorrow with another piece of background from the new edition

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Faction Focuses aren't every day. We're looking at one likely next week and not today.

They have been every other day so far. We'll see if it carries over the weekend.

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

I think it would be a safe bet that each "chapter" will be a faction, with the ones dedicated to a specific chaos god being the first to be expanded. EC-Slaneesh, WE-Khorn, TS-Tzeentch, DG=Nurgle. Though Black Legion obviously gets a lot of attention.

So by the looks of it, the Lascannon will have units like Terminator's take 5+ armor saves (before invulnerable) while the Melta makes it a 6+.

As for damage the Multi Melta sounds more reliable getting 2d6 take the highest for the number of damage points dealt per shot.

Hmmm I feel the Melta rule (the 2d6 take the highest for damage) will be just a bit better but it comes down to range vs damage. Just because it means much better chances to massively wound vehicles.


Who wants to work up a chart?

Edit: oh and I suddenly suspect that a Multi-Melta will be 2d6 Damage...

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Just because you don't doesn't mean other people won't...

This slow drip of information is infuriating. I'm actively looking forward to the release. I also find myself actively looking forward to these articles, which are almost always disappointing given how little information they present.

Today's article...

#1 - "Points are still a thing, but aren't on the datasheet anymore." Ugh. Nothing to see here. Show me what the page with the points looks like.

#2 - "No more free models. Summoning now works more like a sideboard you have to pay for." The second they said 'matched play', every AoS player assumed this would be true. No free models. Good to have a confirmation, but also sort of a piece of non-news.

Just give us a release date already and show us what the product is going to look like. How many books will there be? If I play Tau, Skitarii and Iron Warriors and want to play Matched Play, how much will I need to spend on day one? This is killing me.

The last three Saturdays we've gotten the new galaxy map, War Zone: Armageddpn and War Zone: Cadia articles. I expect a similar article tomorrow.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Just because you don't doesn't mean other people won't...

Exactly. I have a feeling it will be my preferred method.

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Raises hand.

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

I know minimun 10 guys that are gonna use it.

Its the beauty of anecdotal evidence

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Really? I can think of a few possibilities:
1. New Players
2. People who want to run unbalanced missions (Meatgrinder, Ambush)
3. Casual players who don't want to muck with trying to perfectly fill points levels in
4. People looking for a pick up game with whatever they brought with them

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Just because you don't doesn't mean other people won't...

Exactly. I have a feeling it will be my preferred method.

Same here. It's one of the changes I'm most looking forward to.

 Bulldogging wrote:
I think it would be a safe bet that each "chapter" will be a faction, with the ones dedicated to a specific chaos god being the first to be expanded. EC-Slaneesh, WE-Khorn, TS-Tzeentch, DG=Nurgle. Though Black Legion obviously gets a lot of attention.

If they are factions, they'll likely add a Faction Keyword to every unit in their army.

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

I will use it most definitely, I can't see why I'd want to use fiddly granular points if the power levels are good enough. They would have to mega 'broken' for me to not use them. Not every one is worried about being outpointed by the equivalent of a bolter or two.

Yeah, i'm going to play the gak out of narrative games. When I paint a unit, I like to have the maximum level of variation in the squad. I'd love to run my glorious old units like my Vostroyan Power sword/plasma pistol and Powerfist sergeants without feeling punished for taking a probably useless melee upgrade in the squad. So I'll likely be playing a lot of Narrative mode

 Ghaz wrote:
The last three Saturdays we've gotten the new galaxy map, War Zone: Armageddpn and War Zone: Cadia articles. I expect a similar article tomorrow.

Warzone: Fenris?
Warzone: Baal?

 Lysenis wrote:


Who wants to work up a chart?

Your wish is my command:



Also a MM has a 1/36 to not kill a 2 wound model and a 4/36 to not kill a 3 wound model. A lascannon is 1/6 and 2/6 respectively.

Edit: oh and I suddenly suspect that a Multi-Melta will be 2d6 Damage...

God I hope not!

 Kriswall wrote:
This slow drip of information is infuriating. I'm actively looking forward to the release. I also find myself actively looking forward to these articles, which are almost always disappointing given how little information they present.

Today's article...

#1 - "Points are still a thing, but aren't on the datasheet anymore." Ugh. Nothing to see here. Show me what the page with the points looks like.

#2 - "No more free models. Summoning now works more like a sideboard you have to pay for." The second they said 'matched play', every AoS player assumed this would be true. No free models. Good to have a confirmation, but also sort of a piece of non-news.

Just give us a release date already and show us what the product is going to look like. How many books will there be? If I play Tau, Skitarii and Iron Warriors and want to play Matched Play, how much will I need to spend on day one? This is killing me

I tend to agree. I'm starting to get bored by all of this. If GW was trying to gin up interest, I think they are being too clever by half, or even more than half.

I was really excited for a while to see the Ork article, but now it's just meh, whatever.

theocracity wrote:

Spoiler:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Just because you don't doesn't mean other people won't...

Exactly. I have a feeling it will be my preferred method.

Same here. It's one of the changes I'm most looking forward to.

Same. Playing accountant for half an hour before each game can go to heck. I'd rather be able to show up knowing relatively how much my army is worth and be able to throw down in an interesting scenario without calling in the UN.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Really? I can think of a few possibilities:
1. New Players
2. People who want to run unbalanced missions (Meatgrinder, Ambush)
3. Casual players who don't want to muck with trying to perfectly fill points levels in
4. People looking for a pick up game with whatever they brought with them

2 works with either points so not that

 Formerly Wu wrote:

theocracity wrote:

Spoiler:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Just because you don't doesn't mean other people won't...

Exactly. I have a feeling it will be my preferred method.

Same here. It's one of the changes I'm most looking forward to.

Same. Playing accountant for half an hour before each game can go to heck. I'd rather be able to show up knowing relatively how much my army is worth and be able to throw down in an interesting scenario without calling in the UN.

Ditto.

hopefully the power levels will roughly be balanced. even with equipment.

tneva82 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Really? I can think of a few possibilities:
1. New Players
2. People who want to run unbalanced missions (Meatgrinder, Ambush)
3. Casual players who don't want to muck with trying to perfectly fill points levels in
4. People looking for a pick up game with whatever they brought with them

2 works with either points so not that

They mentioned in the article running Ambush with Power, so it's possible some mission types won't be balanced around points but power.


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 Desubot wrote:

 Formerly Wu wrote:

Same. Playing accountant for half an hour before each game can go to heck. I'd rather be able to show up knowing relatively how much my army is worth and be able to throw down in an interesting scenario without calling in the UN.

Ditto.

hopefully the power levels will roughly be balanced. even with equipment.

GeeDubs staid that it should be "broadly" balanced. It won't be as finely tuned as matched play, but it's broad strokes balancing.

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Literally everyone I know that is excited for 8th edition is going to use power levels, as scenario play is a hell of a lot more fun in our group than "competitive" "line up across the board and roll initiative" "gaming".

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Mezmerro wrote:

GW wrote:The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book. This is because you don’t need them to play if you don’t want

Really? I don't know anyone who's gonna play that "narrative" power-level mode.

Just because you don't doesn't mean other people won't...

Exactly. I have a feeling it will be my preferred method.

I will love it! Easy campaign setups!

Edit:
Examples!

Boom this is game one, your force has landed and is facing the Vanguard of your hated foe! You have 75 Pl to their 100! Good luck and the Emperor will Protect!

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
At the bottom of 2days points article it says back tomorrow with another piece of background from the new edition

*whispsers* With a picture of the FSE above it. War Zone Damocles probably.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I was thinking the other day that it might be cool if Grav had the effect of making the target move as if in difficult/dangerous terrain. I have no idea what the rules for moving through difficult/dangerous terrain will be like in 8th Edition though. Maybe there won't even be any.

Clearly he was crushed by the extra weight of his medals.

I love that mental image.

Curse these solid gold epaulettes!

 Desubot wrote:


Ditto.

hopefully the power levels will roughly be balanced. even with equipment.

They will not be (unless you always take all available options on units...even then...). Equipment creates far too large of a disparity.