40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**Daedalus81**

Powerfisting wrote:

Has it not been confirmed that warlord traits are returning?

No, but i'm sure we'll see them.

**Alpharius**

Did you just confirm them?!?

**Daedalus81**

Alpharius wrote:
Did you just confirm them?!?

Yes! I will also confirm that assaulting from all vehicles at all times is possible! And there is an initiative roll.

**MaxT**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Did you just confirm them?!?

Yes! I will also confirm that assaulting from all vehicles at all times is possible! And there is an initiative roll.

And we all get a free pony.

**ClockworkZion**

IIRC there is a race that joined the Tau "Federation of Heretical Xenos" that were described to be large psychic worms that were for some reason were on the same status level as an Ethereal....and may be secretly controlling them. They were mentioned in the 6th edition codex iirc.

Additionally, if memory serves, the weak and dirty xenos sols Tau have are basically tiny motes of lit on par with popcorn to the Daemons. They basically have no warp presence worth noting and if where the last race alive the daemons would be forced into starvation.

Too bad they're dirty xenos who are better off dead, eh?

That said, it's not like an outside force couldn't be involved in the development of the Tau. It was long assumed that the Eldar might be responsible for uplifting their primative race to being a space faring one, but I hold that it seems more like something an enterprising Necron dynasty looking to escape the confines of their immortal(ish) bodies and return to fleshy mortal ones would cook up.

Especially since there aren't any real major Necron vs Tau lore bits I can recall.

More off the topic of Tau and on the topic of Stratagems, modifying or re-rolling things will likely be the majority of the uses of the rule. Everything else will likely come down to things like out of turn activations of units (perhaps Tau will get one allowing them to spend 2cp to run away from a charging unit to avoid becoming sushi for example).

Some armies may even get certain abilities for less or more depending on their lore. Orks might get the Counter Offensive one as a 1CP option for example because they love a good scrap so much that they can't wait their turn. I could see things like activating a unit out of turn to charge if they aren't engaged allowing you to counter charge the enemy and even the odds, or engage something out of turn.

That said, if army core mechanics (Acts of Faith, Waaaagh, ect) become CP rules while other armies (namely Marines) keep free Chapter Tactics at no cost to use, I'm going to shank some folks with a melta barrel.

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

MaxT wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Did you just confirm them?!?

Yes! I will also confirm that assaulting from all vehicles at all times is possible! And there is an initiative roll.

And we all get a free pony.

Divided into 14 different slices... I mean pages, of course.

**Mr Morden**

Daedalus81 wrote:
Powerfisting wrote:

Has it not been confirmed that warlord traits are returning?

No, but i'm sure we'll see them.

IIRC AOS has something similar but you get to choose or dice roll depending on if you have something that fits your narrative or just happy to see what you get.

Again IIRC unique characters can't do this

**ClockworkZion**

Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
MaxT wrote:
Daedalus81 wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Did you just confirm them?!?

Yes! I will also confirm that assaulting from all vehicles at all times is possible! And there is an initiative roll.

And we all get a free pony.

Divided into 14 different slices... I mean pages, of course.

12 pages of rules, unknown how many pages of game type stuff.

**stonehorse**

ClockworkZion wrote:
IIRC there is a race that joined the Tau "Federation of Heretical Xenos" that were described to be large psychic worms that were for some reason were on the same status level as an Ethereal....and may be secretly controlling them. They were mentioned in the 6th edition codex iirc.

Additionally, if memory serves, the weak and dirty xenos sols Tau have are basically tiny motes of lit on par with popcorn to the Daemons. They basically have no warp presence worth noting and if where the last race alive the daemons would be forced into starvation.

Too bad they're dirty xenos who are better off dead, eh?

That said, it's not like an outside force couldn't be involved in the development of the Tau. It was long assumed that the Eldar might be responsible for uplifting their primative race to being a space faring one, but I hold that it seems more like something an enterprising Necron dynasty looking to escape the confines of their immortal(ish) bodies and return to fleshy mortal ones would cook up.

Especially since there aren't any real major Necron vs Tau lore bits I can recall.

They also had the Nascari (spelling) in BFG who were a highly Psychic race, I don't think they had many numbers and were more of a space faring race, but I'm sure the Tau could do some sort of research into how they work and utilise their findings.

I've always envisioned the Tau as being a race created by the Old Ones, in their ever going war against the C'tan and their Necron servents. Most native 40k races were created for this purpose. However that is with the old lore that was sadly made obsolete with 5th edition Necron Codex.

**ClockworkZion**

stonehorse wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
IIRC there is a race that joined the Tau "Federation of Heretical Xenos" that were described to be large psychic worms that were for some reason were on the same status level as an Ethereal....and may be secretly controlling them. They were mentioned in the 6th edition codex iirc.

Additionally, if memory serves, the weak and dirty xenos sols Tau have are basically tiny motes of lit on par with popcorn to the Daemons. They basically have no warp presence worth noting and if where the last race alive the daemons would be forced into starvation.

Too bad they're dirty xenos who are better off dead, eh?

That said, it's not like an outside force couldn't be involved in the development of the Tau. It was long assumed that the Eldar might be responsible for uplifting their primative race to being a space faring one, but I hold that it seems more like something an enterprising Necron dynasty looking to escape the confines of their immortal(ish) bodies and return to fleshy mortal ones would cook up.

Especially since there aren't any real major Necron vs Tau lore bits I can recall.

They also had the Nascari (spelling) in BFG who were a highly Psychic race, I don't think they had many numbers and were more of a space faring race, but I'm sure the Tau could do some sort of research into how they work and utilise their findings.

I've always envisioned the Tau as being a race created by the Old Ones, in their ever going war against the C'tan and their Necron servents. Most native 40k races were created for this purpose. However that is with the old lore that was sadly made obsolete with 5th edition Necron Codex.

Orks were the last ditch effort of the Old Ones to fight the Necron threat(something I'm pretty sure existed in the Ork codex before the Necron one)Tau came into being as a space farng race post the Heresy, so literally billions of years too late to be an Old Ones project.

**Mr Morden**

Shouldn't we have a new article about now !

**Daedalus81**

Oh snap numarines!

https://goo.gl/2kX4xt

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The models and art are just...awesome.

**Verviedi**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-faq-may15gw-homepage-post-2/

A whole new type of Space Marines! That might just be the most exciting thing to happen to the Imperium since Roboute Guilliman woke up from his 10,000 year nap and decided to save the galaxy. But what does their arrival mean? How will it affect your collection or army? What modelling options will you have? Read on to find out.

So, what’s a Primaris Space Marine?

These are a brand-new breed of warrior, commissioned by the Primarch Guilliman and developed in secret on Mars for the past 10,000 years by Archmagos Belisarius Cawl. Find out all about them and check out an awesome video here.

Are all my current Space Marine miniatures redundant now?

No way! Primaris Space Marines do not replace regular (if a superhuman killing machine can be described as ‘regular’) Space Marines. These guys have a few extra genetic enhancements, thanks to Belisarius Cawl, and serve as additional reinforcements in the Adeptus Astartes arsenal, not replacements.

Will there be multiple types of Primaris Space Marines?

You bet. So far you’ve seen the Intercessors, the line infantry clad in Mk X armour, but there are plenty more on the way. And likely vehicles too…

Wait, Mk X armour?

Yup, these guys have new armour: combining the best bits of classic Horus Heresy-era plate, with some fancy tech developed more recently.

Can I field a whole army of Primaris Marines?

You totally can. From a background point of view, some Chapters, especially those decimated in the events of the Gathering Storm, now have entire companies of these new warriors. Others have incorporated squads of Primaris Space Marines into existing Battle Companies. And perhaps most excitingly, Guilliman has founded some entirely new Chapters out of these new Space Marines.

I have an <insert favourite Chapter> army. Can I field Primaris Space Marines?

Any of the galaxy’s many hundreds of Codex Chapters can use Primaris Space Marines, along with many of the less Codex-compliant ones like Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Space Wolves.

So, Primaris are just better in the game, right? What’s the point of using older Space Marines?

Marine to Marine, they certainly have some advantages over a Tactical Squad, but it comes at a cost. These guys will cost more points than standard Space Marines, so you’ll have fewer of them, and their weapon options will be different. For maximum tactical punch, you’ll want to bring all your Space Marines to the tabletop.

What if I don’t want to use them?

Well, aside from missing out on some cool new models and tactical options for your army, then that’s totally cool. You certainly don’t have to include Primaris Space Marines in your Space Marines army. Though when you see the Primaris Redemptor Dreadnought, you’ll want to. Primaris Dreadnought? Did I write that…? Nah. Moving on.

Are the kits compatible with existing Space Marine kits?

Good Question. There are certainly elements of the existing Space Marines kits that will be cross-compatible, while the new armour mark means that some parts won’t mix as easily. Shoulder pads and helmets are the same scale, and will still work, whereas the legs, torso and arms are different, and not quite as interchangeable. In terms of the Primaris sets themselves, you’ll have loads of fun kit-bashing them.

Can I use these guys alongside my Astra Militarum army?

Yeah you can. These new Space Marines will be available to use alongside all Imperial armies to fill some battlefield roles your army might normally struggle with.

Do the Primaris Space Marines play nice with the Adeptus Custodes?

They sure do. Many of the Emperor’s elite golden guard are accompanying Gulliman and the Primaris Space Marines on the Indomitus Crusade.

But I play Chaos! Where are my super-super-human reinforcements?

First off, that’ll teach you for turning your back on the Emperor. Secondly, did you not see the Death Guard teaser video? The Chaos Gods have not been idle – we guarantee there are some warp-charged hulking warriors on their way for you guys in the not too distant future.

Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?

Primaris Space Marines will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. Oh and while we’re on the subject, we’ll be announcing the release date before the end of this month…

**krazynadechukr**

Here is the latest!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-faq-may15gw-homepage-post-2/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/a-new-breed-of-hero-may15gw-homepage-post-1/

**Daedalus81**

Well done on their part to put these out there and lay to rest many of the outspoken concerns.

**Coyote81**

krazynadechukr wrote:
Here is the latest!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-faq-may15gw-homepage-post-2/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/a-new-breed-of-hero-may15gw-homepage-post-1/

This looks like a bad episode of Pimp my Space marine.

**stonehorse**

ClockworkZion wrote:
stonehorse wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
IIRC there is a race that joined the Tau "Federation of Heretical Xenos" that were described to be large psychic worms that were for some reason were on the same status level as an Ethereal....and may be secretly controlling them. They were mentioned in the 6th edition codex iirc.

Additionally, if memory serves, the weak and dirty xenos sols Tau have are basically tiny motes of lit on par with popcorn to the Daemons. They basically have no warp presence worth noting and if where the last race alive the daemons would be forced into starvation.

Too bad they're dirty xenos who are better off dead, eh?

That said, it's not like an outside force couldn't be involved in the development of the Tau. It was long assumed that the Eldar might be responsible for uplifting their primative race to being a space faring one, but I hold that it seems more like something an enterprising Necron dynasty looking to escape the confines of their immortal(ish) bodies and return to fleshy mortal ones would cook up.

Especially since there aren't any real major Necron vs Tau lore bits I can recall.

They also had the Nascari (spelling) in BFG who were a highly Psychic race, I don't think they had many numbers and were more of a space faring race, but I'm sure the Tau could do some sort of research into how they work and utilise their findings.

I've always envisioned the Tau as being a race created by the Old Ones, in their ever going war against the C'tan and their Necron servents. Most native 40k races were created for this purpose. However that is with the old lore that was sadly made obsolete with 5th edition Necron Codex.

Orks were the last ditch effort of the Old Ones to fight the Necron threat(something I'm pretty sure existed in the Ork codex before the Necron one)Tau came into being as a space farng race post the Heresy, so literally billions of years too late to be an Old Ones project.

The Old Ones weren't all wiped out, also seeing as the Necron and C'tan at the time were asleep, the warp storm that saved the Tau race from being wiped out by the Imperium, in that small time (6,000 years) they went from a pre-industrial race to an advanced space faring race that can fight as well as the major races. It could be that in that period their race were being uplifted to a previous design if needed by the Old Ones were are near enough immortal. The Etherals did arrive mysteriously when they were needed the most.

All this is sadly lost as the epic idea of conflicts in the early days of the galaxy that have shaped the galaxy to be what it is now, and the Old Ones, C'tan being Volons/Shadows from Babylon 5 was a great narrative to 40k. Now that is all undone.

**Vintersorg**

So after a decade or two we got actual space marines. Cool.

**ClockworkZion**

Range 30, S4, AP-1, Rapid Fire 1 bolters for the Primaris? While I like, I am hesitant to jump on board with the Primaris marines just yet. Mostly because I expect hem to be more expensive than standard Marines.

Also theImperium has adopted Ork philosophies of power now. Bigger Marines = stronger Marines.

So Primarchs are now Warbosses.

**vim_the_good**

Woohoo. They look great

Looks like they are not too much taller than current marines and probably interchangeable.

**Daedalus81**

vim_the_good wrote:
Woohoo. They look great
Looks like they are not too much taller than current marines and probably interchangeable.

Legs and torso are not. Helmets and shoulder pads are.

**ClockworkZion**

From the Q&A they mention the Primaris Marines having a dreadnought.

So basically the new marines are super awesome BUT somehow already have enough honored dead to need a special Dreadnought chassis right out of the gate.

**Malika2**

Mk X armour? What happened to Mk IX?

**crnaguja**

So, it seems standard marines are going the way of the dodo (as it seems the numarines will replace old marines battlefield roles, I fear from now on we won't get any new normal marines releases). Meh, I always wanted to play Guard anyways.

**krazynadechukr**

from video

**ClockworkZion**

Malika2 wrote:
Mk X armour? What happened to Mk IX?

Lost in shipping?

Produced, but never distributed and then superceeded by MkX?

A Primaris exclusive that'll be on a later unit's release?

**Daedalus81**

ClockworkZion wrote:
From the Q&A they mention the Primaris Marines having a dreadnought.

So basically the new marines are super awesome BUT somehow already have enough honored dead to need a special Dreadnought chassis right out of the gate.

Might as well be prepared!

**Galas**

So basically... new marines with Horus Heresy Helmets... and Horus Heresy Dreadnoughts... why GW, why?! Why can't you just leave 30k in 30k, and stop bringing it to my 40k?! I don't want those damm Contemptor Dreadnoughts! They belong to the Tau, not to the Imperium!

I expect this nu-marines to be in tabletop numbers simillar to Deathwathc or Grey Knights, so the -1 AP in their bolters sholdn't be a big problem. If in the future they become the standart infantry replacing the standard marines, then that can be a problem.

Malika2 wrote:
Mk X armour? What happened to Mk IX?

Belisarius Cawl is Bill Gates of the future. He just hates the number 9

**nintura**

vim_the_good wrote:
Woohoo. They look great
Looks like they are not too much taller than current marines and probably interchangeable.

FAQ states that their bodies are taller and won't work well with other marines but the shoulder pads and such are the same size.

I expect we'll see a lot of infighting as the "new and younger" versions take over while the older and gruffer marines are like "damned new kids"

Also, there's a vid showing the models on fb right now

**Mr Morden**

Hmm so a new Marine - oh well - hopefully something exciting tomorrow.

I fear from now on we won't get any new normal marines releases

Well I really hope we don't have both types of marines clogging up the schedule

Sad that we won't see sniper Raven Guard or Elite Terminators for Salamanders but instead yet more stuff for the ultra special snowflakes Wolves, Blood and Dark Angels. Hopefully not more bloody riding Wolf nonsense with the new Marines.

I get that it makes sense for GW though - release better new marines for all and then watch them be snapped up.