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The railed carry handle at the back of the plasma gun is sweeeet. And it has a sliiiightly Pulse Rifle-esque profile.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
The railed carry handle at the back of the plasma gun is sweeeet. And it has a sliiiightly Pulse Rifle-esque profile.

wasnt there some looooong time ago rumor about new marks with slight tau astetics or something.

i dont think it really is but i remember something about it.

man im really like these new rifle versions. they look sick and i cant wait to see the other weapons.

 Hollow wrote:
Or they listened to what people were asking for in regards to the articles and have started to incorporate more info?

They mention in the FAQs how do new marines effect us.

I play chaos where are my new marines.

They responded with don't worry did you see the new death guard trailer, there are a lot new super monsters on their way to you chaos has not been idle.

So get ready for Saturday morning cartoon villains.

down with tau kill them all

Drones and the tau shenanigans should be toned down or at least increase the point cost to near double what they are just now.

just hope upon hope that tau get hit with a nerf bat a few times then a few more to make sure they dont get back up :p

but the suits jumping out of combat and being able to blast away as normal is worrying hmmm

It will be interesting to see how they cost the new marines in pts because if they get it wrong they'll be terminators 'light'

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
Or they listened to what people were asking for in regards to the articles and have started to incorporate more info?

They mention in the FAQs how do new marines effect us.

I play chaos where are my new marines.

They responded with don't worry did you see the new death guard trailer, there are a lot new super monsters on their way to you chaos has not been idle.

So get ready for Saturday morning cartoon villains.

So you don't like the new Deathguard?


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 Latro_ wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they cost the new marines in pts because if they get it wrong they'll be terminators 'light'

5 Rubrics are PL6 (8 for 4 and a sorcerer). The numarines are also PL6. These guys are at least 20 points, if not more.

Daedalus81 wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
Or they listened to what people were asking for in regards to the articles and have started to incorporate more info?

They mention in the FAQs how do new marines effect us.

I play chaos where are my new marines.

They responded with don't worry did you see the new death guard trailer, there are a lot new super monsters on their way to you chaos has not been idle.

So get ready for Saturday morning cartoon villains.

So you don't like the new Deathguard?

not everyone likes death guard heck i honestly hate the over representation of Corn and nurgle. t sons was refreshing and i cant wait for slannesh

Ok, the Primaris Marines...

The fluff is of course stupid, that was to be expected, but I'm glad that they're available to all chapters. We really need more details to evaluate how painful the new fluff is. I really hope that they keep the normal marine recruiting method, as that is a really important for establishing cultural connections to the recruitment worlds and giving different chapters some unique flavour.

The models look absolutely amazing. Top notch. My only complaint is that they're all pretty much identical. A big part of what makes assembling marines fun is that they have all these slightly varied components you get to combine. Slightly different helmets, chest pieces etc. Nothing like that with these guys. (This is the same issue I had with Stormcasts, assembling them became only fun when they released those Vanguard-Hunters, and I got to kitbash them with Standard Liberators.)

Then the rules. The stats and the weapon stats are pretty much what I expected, but I am absolutely shocked by the lack of options, even for the sergeant. It is really boring that every squad will be identical. Gaming-wise it is underwhelming, and really a shame considering that the new spit fire rules make mixed-weapon squads really viable. Also, from modelling perspective this is really bad, as you don't get to build differently armed sergeants etc. I really hope that this is just a datasheet for the starter box squad, and lacks options because those models don't have them, and we get a better datasheet with the release of the multipart box (this happened with the Stormcast Liberators.)

 Latro_ wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they cost the new marines in pts because if they get it wrong they'll be terminators 'light'

the trade off is a buffed marine but without assault and heavy weapons. I'll gladly sacrifice the wounds for sternguard / assault squads.


On another note tau seem pretty slick given flamers seem really good this edition. Like AOS stormfiend good... guess will have to wait till all the rules come out!

 gainsay wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they cost the new marines in pts because if they get it wrong they'll be terminators 'light'

the trade off is a buffed marine but without assault and heavy weapons. I'll gladly sacrifice the wounds for sternguard / assault squads.


On another note tau seem pretty slick given flamers seem really good this edition. Like AOS stormfiend good guess will have to wait till all the rules come out!

There are images of numarines with plasma rifles and speculation so far is that they are going to act a bit like HH marines. bolter dude unit, special weapons dude units, heavy weapons guys and so on.

it kinda makes sense since girlyman used to organize that way though he also kinda wrote the whole codex thing so i dunno.

This was suspected since the rumours started, I kind of like the Emperor finally got his cult marines

I imagine that some chaos cult marines will be specced similar to these numarines while standard csm will retain old marines Stat line.

 Desubot wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
Or they listened to what people were asking for in regards to the articles and have started to incorporate more info?

They mention in the FAQs how do new marines effect us.

I play chaos where are my new marines.

They responded with don't worry did you see the new death guard trailer, there are a lot new super monsters on their way to you chaos has not been idle.

So get ready for Saturday morning cartoon villains.

So you don't like the new Deathguard?

not everyone likes death guard heck i honestly hate the over representation of Corn and nurgle. t sons was refreshing and i cant wait for slannesh

I'm sure there are chaos primaris marines. We just call them Chosen in Power Armor.

 Rippy wrote:
This was suspected since the rumours started, I kind of like the Emperor finally got his cult marines

I imagine that some chaos cult marines will be specced similar to these numarines while standard csm will retain old marines Stat line.

yeah I mean they get an additional wound and more attacks, they'd be easy to slap onto the death guard marines.

 BoomWolf wrote:

They are tougher and slightly deadlier marines, but with a preset equipment and no options.

Which is handy when you have a ruleset that isn't suited to having huge number of options for units...

Give it an edition for the current marine kits to sell through, and for stores to focus on selling people the Claytons Marines instead of regular Marines. Then you quietly remove the old style marines, and publish a list for the next edition that just has these guys with their reduced options as the standard marines.

End result - better scaled marines with rules better suited to the game without invalidating vast swathes of people's collections overnight.


The downside is that in the meantime, we have hordes of these guys on the table alongside the current Marine models, which will look slightly less stupid than Robert 'I-can't-believe-he's-not-54mm' Guilliman.


Taken on their own, though, they certainly are pretty.

I love these numarines so much. They're not decorated very much and bigger than the normal ones.

Flesh Tearers here I come! (I just tried to paint a MKIV marine as one; did not go well)

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I love these numarines so much. They're not decorated very much and bigger than the normal ones.

Flesh Tearers here I come! (I just tried to paint a MKIV marine as one; did not go well)

Honestly that is something that is surprising

GW has been kinda going nuts with over blinging models

these guys seem very... pragmatic? is that the right word?

 Desubot wrote:

 gainsay wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they cost the new marines in pts because if they get it wrong they'll be terminators 'light'

the trade off is a buffed marine but without assault and heavy weapons. I'll gladly sacrifice the wounds for sternguard / assault squads.


On another note tau seem pretty slick given flamers seem really good this edition. Like AOS stormfiend good guess will have to wait till all the rules come out!

There are images of numarines with plasma rifles and speculation so far is that they are going to act a bit like HH marines. bolter dude unit, special weapons dude units, heavy weapons guys and so on.

it kinda makes sense since girlyman used to organize that way though he also kinda wrote the whole codex thing so i dunno.

forgot about that. well thats going to suck then. Maybe they'll be over priced point wise or something. Probably not tho. GW has to sell that new hottness.

I can't wait to fight new Marines with my Tallarn. It is going to make my games against them look like a desperate fight for survival against these giant superhumans, and for the marine player, make his guys look heroic smashing through the mass of small humans.

To me it will just make my games far more exciting, being the underdog average Joes who rely on weight of fire and properly executed troop movements/orders to take the day. The fluff for them might not be the best once they come out, but I am not too fazed by it. There has been enough positive things teased so far, that for the first time in years, I look forward to playing again.

I fully expect the old marines to be eventually be phased out.

IIRC Tau sniper drones used to have a spotter attached to the unit, but the new unit datasheet is just drones. Any idea on what happens to them now?

 gainsay wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 gainsay wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
It will be interesting to see how they cost the new marines in pts because if they get it wrong they'll be terminators 'light'

the trade off is a buffed marine but without assault and heavy weapons. I'll gladly sacrifice the wounds for sternguard / assault squads.


On another note tau seem pretty slick given flamers seem really good this edition. Like AOS stormfiend good guess will have to wait till all the rules come out!

There are images of numarines with plasma rifles and speculation so far is that they are going to act a bit like HH marines. bolter dude unit, special weapons dude units, heavy weapons guys and so on.

it kinda makes sense since girlyman used to organize that way though he also kinda wrote the whole codex thing so i dunno.

forgot about that. well thats going to suck then. Maybe they'll be over priced point wise or something. Probably not tho. GW has to sell that new hottness.

I dont think so

it seems Reeses pieces has been all over this trying to legitimately make a balanced game. im sure gw will tweak things like power levels but im sure the tourny guys will have some objections to over power creeping (probably a little but not that bad)

Hmm. The point cost the Nu guys will be key (obivously). What is one wound, -1 Sv, and 6" of range worth? Should the lack of upgrades be factored in? If an 8th Ed Marine is 13pts and a NuMarine is 20pts, I might have trouble pulling the trigger, I definitely will if it's more like 22 or 23pts. Don't get me wrong, I'll be buying them anyway 'cause they look flash as hell, but I may find other ways to use 'em if the points are wonky.

Maybe it's just my personal dislike for squads with no upgraded weaponry (very much a legacy of previous editions, I'll admit). 6 tacticals, Las/Plas flavoured, In a Las/Plas Razorback anyone? C'mon, you know where I'm at in the way-back machine here...

Aesthetically, I have no issues mixing the model types at all. I think they look fine together. NuM (I like that acronym a lot...) could be used as Vets, or Sternguard types too. Anyway, cool models, nuff said.

 Desubot wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I love these numarines so much. They're not decorated very much and bigger than the normal ones.

Flesh Tearers here I come! (I just tried to paint a MKIV marine as one; did not go well)

Honestly that is something that is surprising

GW has been kinda going nuts with over blinging models

these guys seem very... pragmatic? is that the right word?

The blingiest one is the commander with the red and white stripe. He seems to have an eagle on his greave.

R0B wrote:

I'm sure there are chaos primaris marines. We just call them Chosen in Power Armor.

Yup, just like Chaos AOS got ridiculously oversized models to match the big gulp sigmarines. I dont' see why GW wouldn't continue that trend unfortunately.

 warboss wrote:

R0B wrote:

I'm sure there are chaos primaris marines. We just call them Chosen in Power Armor.

Yup, just like Chaos AOS got ridiculously oversized models to match the big gulp sigmarines. I dont' see why GW wouldn't continue that trend unfortunately.

Dunno about you guys but i like it.

i like that they are increasing in size. they look pretty bad ass. but only if they hurry up and fix more out dated stuff.. cough hamfisted cadians cough cough.

i honestly like these bigger things next to things like eldar and dark eldar models.

 Desubot wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
Or they listened to what people were asking for in regards to the articles and have started to incorporate more info?

They mention in the FAQs how do new marines effect us.

I play chaos where are my new marines.

They responded with don't worry did you see the new death guard trailer, there are a lot new super monsters on their way to you chaos has not been idle.

So get ready for Saturday morning cartoon villains.

So you don't like the new Deathguard?

not everyone likes death guard heck i honestly hate the over representation of Corn and nurgle. t sons was refreshing and i cant wait for slannesh

I was thinking of getting a DG Army for several months using FW accessories and was excited about the new models but am a bit put off by all the grinning going on. Are Nurgle followers that jolly?

 Desubot wrote:

 warboss wrote:

R0B wrote:

I'm sure there are chaos primaris marines. We just call them Chosen in Power Armor.

Yup, just like Chaos AOS got ridiculously oversized models to match the big gulp sigmarines. I dont' see why GW wouldn't continue that trend unfortunately.

Dunno about you guys but i like it.

i like that they are increasing in size. they look pretty bad ass. but only if they hurry up and fix more out dated stuff.. cough hamfisted cadians cough cough.

i honestly like these bigger things next to things like eldar and dark eldar models.

I like the models but I'm a fan of truescaling and have a bunch of threads here on dakka where I did it. I'm not a fan of the fluff though as they should have just made them the new kit and kept the fluff intact. Nor am I a fan of the scale model arms race that will inevitably ensue as everything gets bigger just like in AOS.

Oh just re-read the part about the Primaris being created for other chapters. So we are also getting completely new chapters?! Wonder if they will have any genetic flaws.....

Liking that some chapters are not so welcoming of them and that some worry how the Primaris will handle genetic flaws such as the Red Thirst and what about a super super giant Wulfen?!

Took away one of my dislikes about these guys. I thought they were just gonna be of Guilliman's genes and given to other chapters, rather than them being of their own Primarch. Nice to know Salamander Primaris will be from Vul.

Liked some of the changes for Tau. The only lackluster thing for me is sniper drones, but I'll wait for more rules.

removing double shooting is good for the game.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Oh just re-read the part about the Primaris being created for other chapters. So we are also getting completely new chapters?! Wonder if they will have any genetic flaws.....

Liking that some chapters are not so welcoming of them and that some worry how the Primaris will handle genetic flaws such as the Red Thirst and what about a super super giant Wulfen?!

Took away one of my dislikes about these guys. I thought they were just gonna be of Guilliman's genes and given to other chapters, rather than them being of their own Primarch. Nice to know Salamander Primaris will be from Vul.

its probably along the lines of additional gene transplants from rowboat into existing marines that give them a minor boost for little cost. but for some reason that armor mark only works on boosted marines or something. so its possible other chapters will retain their normal traits (chapter tactics skin color and stuff)