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Youn wrote:
Has anyone figured out exactly how many faction keywords work?

For example:
Tactical marine
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angel
Primaris Marine
Imperial, Primaris, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angel
Rhino
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angel
Grey Knight
Imperial, Inquisition, Adeptus Astartes, Grey Knight


Does this mean you cannot have:
Primaris Marine
Imperial, Primaris, Adeptus Astartes, Grey Knight

because Primaris and Inquisition is exclusive?
Grey knights could have:
Rhino
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Grey Knight


But when building your army you cannot do
Tactical marine
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angel
Tactical marine
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Dark Angel

You're assuming that all keywords must match, but that's not necessarily the case. They could all be in the same FoC if you only need 1 keyword to match, i.e. "Imperial". Ofc there'll be very little synergy between units as most buffs will be based off the chapter equivalent keywords, and you'd not be taking advantage of any future bonuses from a future FoC limited to say Blood Angels, but it still works.

If only SOME marines have been increased in size, then fine. I guess its their way of slowly moving to that size tho. I imagine in a couple of more editions, ALL the marines will be bigger.

Which, was causing me a problem relating to the Space Marine vehicles. Not that everything is true scale, but it will be odd if the Marines on foot are significantly bigger than the models in the Land Speeder for example. I assume that if GW goes down this path, all those Space Marine models will need updating.

Which will make sense. Some of these models have been around for a long long time. They still look great, but GW will prob want another reason to release a new Land Raider mk IV or Rhino mk III...

I would imagine you need to match one faction keyword to be battleforged, and the more you match the more command points you get?

So your Space Marine + Custodes + IG force would share faction keyword: Imperium and be Battleforged

A pure Marine army with multiple chapters would share Imperium and Astartes, maybe getting extra CP

and a single chapter force would share Imperium, Astartes and <Chapter> and get further benefits

All just educated guessing though

What are people basing this speculation on? Has there been an army building article that referenced the keywords in this way?

Aren't the keywords in Age of Sigmar mostly for knowing which effects apply to which models? You need to know a model is Stormcast Eternal so it can be healed by a Relictor, etc.

Charax wrote:
I would imagine you need to match one faction keyword to be battleforged, and the more you match the more command points you get?

So your Space Marine + Custodes + IG force would share faction keyword: Imperium and be Battleforged

A pure Marine army with multiple chapters would share Imperium and Astartes, maybe getting extra CP

and a single chapter force would share Imperium, Astartes and <Chapter> and get further benefits

All just educated guessing though

You won't get extra cp for matching. Battleforged keeps you from having nids and marines together.

Cp is from army slots. Better matching will give bonuses through unit abilities.

 Rippy wrote:

Good work interpreting there mate! I think you are spot on

Thanks!

They're late :( *scratches neck and arm furiously*

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
They're late :( *scratches neck and arm furiously*

Yea sometimes its on the half hour for some reason.

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
They're late :( *scratches neck and arm furiously*

They put one out 35 minutes late the other day. It's killing me, I need sleep!! It's 12:15 am here, have to be up at 5 to get ready for work!

 Bull0 wrote:
What are people basing this speculation on? Has there been an army building article that referenced the keywords in this way?

Aren't the keywords in Age of Sigmar mostly for knowing which effects apply to which models? You need to know a model is Stormcast Eternal so it can be healed by a Relictor, etc.

We have seen the FOC for 3 of the charts. They all have the following statement on them: Restriction: All units must be from the same faction. We have also seen some of the various dataslates. And their Faction Keywords and Keywords.

So, the question comes in does all faction keywords have to match or does only one faction keyword in the batch have to match.

Adeptus Sororitas faction focus calling it. I sacrificed 10 spiders to make it so

I'd assume that only one keyword has to match, but you'd lose any faction special rules that you'd get if you mix them up, so you wouldn't get to use the Ultramarines rules if you build on Adeptus Astartes, and you won't get the Imperial Guard rules if you build on Imperium.

@Rippy, get some well deserved sleep, updating the op can definitely wait

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Adeptus Sororitas faction focus calling it. I sacrificed 10 spiders to make it so

My bet is on Space Marines, since they have shown us the Primaris

Youn wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
What are people basing this speculation on? Has there been an army building article that referenced the keywords in this way?

Aren't the keywords in Age of Sigmar mostly for knowing which effects apply to which models? You need to know a model is Stormcast Eternal so it can be healed by a Relictor, etc.

We have seen the FOC for 3 of the charts. They all have the following statement on them: Restriction: All units must be from the same faction. We have also seen some of the various dataslates. And their Faction Keywords and Keywords.

So, the question comes in does all faction keywords have to match or does only one faction keyword in the batch have to match.

That obviously references the macro faction e.g. Imperial

Youn wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
What are people basing this speculation on? Has there been an army building article that referenced the keywords in this way?

Aren't the keywords in Age of Sigmar mostly for knowing which effects apply to which models? You need to know a model is Stormcast Eternal so it can be healed by a Relictor, etc.

We have seen the FOC for 3 of the charts. They all have the following statement on them: Restriction: All units must be from the same faction. We have also seen some of the various dataslates. And their Faction Keywords and Keywords.

So, the question comes in does all keywords have to match or does only one keyword in the batch have to match.

No, they covered it somewhere IIRC. I.e. you can fill a FOC with units from faction Imperium without problems. But to have synergies between units, more keyords must match, so a Commissar has no effect on Astartes morale.

 Rippy wrote:

zamerion wrote:

Source? Where did you find this?

Edit: Found them on Facebook:

Q: quick question, is he bigger then the current CSM line or roughly the same size?

Stay Frosty Studios: Custodes size

Not sure how I feel about this.

The pic in the OP doesn't work for me, but the one above does, just fyi!

Youn wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
What are people basing this speculation on? Has there been an army building article that referenced the keywords in this way?

Aren't the keywords in Age of Sigmar mostly for knowing which effects apply to which models? You need to know a model is Stormcast Eternal so it can be healed by a Relictor, etc.

We have seen the FOC for 3 of the charts. They all have the following statement on them: Restriction: All units must be from the same faction. We have also seen some of the various dataslates. And their Faction Keywords and Keywords.

So, the question comes in does all faction keywords have to match or does only one faction keyword in the batch have to match.

For those everyone has to have imperium, chaos, etc. All units need to have a common keyword.

Later we will see ones that require thousand sons. So no other chaos without that keyword.

Actually there won't be a faction focus today

The next faction focus is Dark Eldar (Druchari) on Wednesday, per the Tau article.

 Rippy wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Adeptus Sororitas faction focus calling it. I sacrificed 10 spiders to make it so

My bet is on Space Marines, since they have shown us the Primaris

Didn't they say that the next FF will be tomorrow and it will be about the Dark Eldar?

EDIT:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I'd assume that only one keyword has to match, but you'd lose any faction special rules that you'd get if you mix them up, so you wouldn't get to use the Ultramarines rules if you build on Adeptus Astartes, and you won't get the Imperial Guard rules if you build on Imperium.

This doesn't make sense, because when would you have two units that are both Adeptus Astartes but aren't both Imperium?

Imperium will be the faction that has to match, the other keywords will be used in describing effects (e.g. only Imperial Guard units can be the target of imperial guard orders, only Ultramarines get the benefit of Marneus Calgar's chapter tactics, etc).

 RiTides wrote:

 Rippy wrote:

zamerion wrote:

Source? Where did you find this?

Edit: Found them on Facebook:

Q: quick question, is he bigger then the current CSM line or roughly the same size?

Stay Frosty Studios: Custodes size

Not sure how I feel about this.

The pic in the OP didn't work for me, but the one above does, just fyi!

Thanks fixing now

Youn wrote:

Spoiler:

Has anyone figured out exactly how many faction keywords work?

For example:
Tactical marine
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angel
Primaris Marine
Imperial, Primaris, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angel
Rhino
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angel
Grey Knight
Imperial, Inquisition, Adeptus Astartes, Grey Knight


Does this mean you cannot have:
Primaris Marine
Imperial, Primaris, Adeptus Astartes, Grey Knight

because Primaris and Inquisition is exclusive?
Grey knights could have:
Rhino
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Grey Knight


But when building your army you cannot do
Tactical marine
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Blood Angel
Tactical marine
Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Dark Angel

My guessterpritation is that all models in the detachment must share at least 1 faction keyword. The more restrictive you make it, the more bonuses from units will synergize, and there may possibly be unique bonuses for only using one more restricted faction.

For example, you could have an Imperial detachment, that contains an Inquisitor, a Dark Angels Chaplain, 2 units of Black Templar Tacticals, and a couple of Imperial Guard Leman Russ's. But you probably won't get any additional benefit aside from the units themselves. Maybe the Chaplain gives a bonus to other Astartes, so the Templars get something if they're close to him.

You could restrict yourself to just Imperial Guard. Now your leader's bonuses will work regardless of who's near them, and will help more units. You may also get access to certain orders that you only get if your army is all Imperial Guard.

You could restrict yourself even further to a Cadian army. Now you get the same benefits as above, but maybe there are some unique orders you can use now, or some characters that you can only take in a pure Cadian army.

I could also see some units that can't be in the same army as each other. Maybe Logan Grimnar is Imperial, Adeptus Astartes, Space Wolves, but you can't use him in the same detachment as a unit with the Inquisition faction.

As for benefits specific to restricted detachments, I could see something like an all Ultramarines detachment getting +1 CP, or Iyanden getting some Wraith bonus, or all Death Guard getting Plague Marines as troops.

KTG17 wrote:
If only SOME marines have been increased in size, then fine. I guess its their way of slowly moving to that size tho. I imagine in a couple of more editions, ALL the marines will be bigger.

Which, was causing me a problem relating to the Space Marine vehicles. Not that everything is true scale, but it will be odd if the Marines on foot are significantly bigger than the models in the Land Speeder for example. I assume that if GW goes down this path, all those Space Marine models will need updating.

Welcome to the world of Orks and their Gorkamorka-era Buggies.

If it follows previous editions. As I don't think you can build CAD that is space wolf HQ, plus two dark angels terminator squads.


Though, I could be wrong.

Thanks Rippy! I edited my post above due to the nested spoiler tag messing up the quote tags. Really appreciate you keeping this up to date

 RiTides wrote:
Thanks Rippy! I edited my post above due to the nested spoiler tag messing up the quote tags. Really appreciate you keeping this up to date

No worries mate!! Can you check out the pic now pls?

Yes, for those following the scheduling, it seems main article drops at 3PM BST, faction focuses are every other day at around 5-5.30PM. Also, they've been late the past few days with the main update, so they might have moved it to 3.30PM I guess?

Can someone else confirm please that the Death Guard image is working for them in the OP?