40k New Edition Summary - 14th June 17: Lord Duncan paints Primaris in Gravis/non-codex SM focus

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**mondo80**

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

**ClockworkZion**

Ghaz wrote:

Spoiler:

Just a reminder that the Q&A starts in about 15 minutes...

Bah. Not a Prime Member. Can someone do a summary?

EDIT: And I can't get the Facebook one to work. This is what I get for using a Linux based PC to go online with.

**Matt.Kingsley**

They're live on Facebook, not Twitch.
So you'll be able to watch it after the fact.

But I'm sure there'll be a summary up.

So far it's been Primaris Marine talk and gushing over them.
Apparently normal marines can be turned into Primaris Marines (perhaps foreshadowing current characters becoming Primaris Marines?).

**Zewrath**

Jambles wrote:
Zewrath wrote:
...your not even striking first most of the time, like before...
What you're experiencing is a fundamental misunderstanding of how close combat turn order works now. Check out the Close Combat community article then try again. Chargers strike first.

While you lack the fundemental skills of reading, apparently. No, they are not striking first most of time like they used to do with high initiative. Except for charging, the opponent can activate his unit before you, if it's an ongoing combat and he can even prevent you from striking first on charge, if he burns a command token. You should follow your own advice and read up on that CC article and indeed, try again.

**Crimson**

OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

**Zewrath**

Neronoxx wrote:
Zewrath wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Well, except for the part that says they are among the most improved units in the game, sure, no buffs.

Sorry mate, have you actually read all the articles from this guy? Legit question here. According to him, everything is buffed, amazing and is now going to be awesome. Look at the changes on the LRBT battle cannon. It's literally trash now and can barely put out over 1,5 unsaved wounds on average, even against favourable targets.
Safe to say that him stating that a unit is going to be "great again" has to be taken with grains of salt.

Found the hyperbolist that doesn't play the game.
If the LRBT only does 1.5 wounds now (which is shoddy fething math to be sure mate), it'll be more than it has done in 3 editions. Seriously, simmer down. Your negative levels of NA are lethal.

You have some homework to study, before you accuse anyone of not playing the game, son.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/330/725479.page

**Requizen**

Lots of answers about Primaris Marines... I'm sure this is interesting for somebody but come onnnnn

**Desubot**

Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

Called it. but thank god anyway.

**davou**

Q: what happened to mark 9 armor

A: LOLWUT, its a space myssssterrrrryyyyyy

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

I like that. It kind of felt like a Kurt Russell Soldier scenario if it was going to be the Primaris Marines are brand new.

Edit: I have not had any coffee yet, so apologies if the above sentence makes no sense.

**Albino Squirrel**

Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

How is that good?

I thought people were worried about the existing space marines being phase out. Doesn't this pretty much guarantee that? Surely if a space marine can just be upgraded to a primaris marine, there would be no reason for the chapter masters and named characters to go through that procedure. I was thinking the existence of the named characters would be one of the few things preventing the elimination of "normal" marines.

**davou**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

How is that good?

it would be stupid to have awesome masters of the carft of war come out... who were born in a tube last week

**Spoletta**

Zewrath wrote:
Jambles wrote:
Zewrath wrote:
...your not even striking first most of the time, like before...
What you're experiencing is a fundamental misunderstanding of how close combat turn order works now. Check out the Close Combat community article then try again. Chargers strike first.

While you lack the fundemental skills of reading, apparently. No, they are not striking first most of time like they used to do with high initiative. Except for charging, the opponent can activate his unit before you, if it's an ongoing combat and he can even prevent you from striking first on charge, if he burns a command token. You should follow your own advice and read up on that CC article and indeed, try again.

Sorry but i'm not sold on your point of view. Honestly, this is probably a jerk reaction, but based on the (admittedly limited) info we got right now, shooting armies are doomed.
They used to have 1 or 2 turns of shooting before receiving the impact of assault armies. Now all shooting weapons have been nerfed and they could have a grand total of 0 turns before engaging in CQC, because we have again turn 1 charges
Have fun when half your list is engaged with 40 hormagaunts that emerged from a Trygon before they could fire a single shoot (except overwatch).

**Desubot**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

How is that good?

More believable than these new marines are scratch made and was squirrel away for 10k years. upgrading marines also allow the base marine to retain their old attributes so it makes sense when a salamander prime marine still has black skin, or RG,

**ClockworkZion**

Vehicles
Q: I'd love to see a little more on Necrons overall please? This is the first mention we've gotten yet and it's barely anything. Gauss, reanimation, quantum shielding info would be very welcome because I'm super excited for 8th.
A: [REDACTED] you guys have been waiting under the sands of Tomb Worlds for millennia... this wait must be comparatively easy...

Q1: So since assault from vehicles is a thing, could a transport charge and soak up overwatch, and then have the troops inside charge out into the same target?
A1: We have an article on transports coming soon.... we promise.
Q2 (Marneus Calgar): When you say soon where would that fall on the scale of say a Nid invasion? Are we talking genestealer cults praying in the basement or the "sky is raining teeth"? level of soon?
A2: Marneus Calgar The fact you judge times in Tyranid invasions makes us very happy.

Q: How does this work if a transport, let's say a Trukk carrying a squad of 12 Boyz, charges another vehicle or infantry squadron? At what point will the Boyz be able to disembark and contribute to the melee?
A: Hey Alex - watch out for the transport-specific article, coming soon.

Q: So in the case of open topped vehicle passengers fighting in the combat phase. Will both passengers and vehicle fight at once or will they count as separate units for the "you go I go" purposes? Neuro shredder harlequins are going to be hard to shift I'm hoping
A: Hey Andrew - watch out for the transport article, coming soon.

Q: any hints on how units transport , especially characters - now that they are lone units. will i need to take a vehicle as a lone transport for say my ork warboss.?
A: We have loads more on transports coming soon in their own article.

Q: Still want to know with the new character rules how transports work. Do characters need to have their own or can they ride with the rank and file?

Also this give me high hopes for grabba claws and wrecking balls actually getting to do things. I can't wait to glue and paint them onto my truckk fleet.
A: All will be revealed when the transport article hits...

Q: I can't wait to run a Leman Russ with three heavy flamers and a dozer blade to keep the bodies from piling up and blocking the vision slits!
A: Big yes to this!

Q: Will Adeptus Mechanicus recieve some nice vehicles?
We are the only faction that has no dedicated flyers or transports.
Ignoring the Imperial Knights as unit because every faction can pick them up and they are still not ad mech specific.
Will Ad mech plasma weapons lose the gets hot rule?
What about Belisarius Cawl?
Will we get GW Titans (with decent plastic)
Or Overly Compensating Tanks.
What about grav? how it is going to influence the vehicles?
A: We have no news on new releases, I'm afraid. As soon as we know anything, we will let folks know here.

Q: Wow! Those are huge changes and will make 40k so much quicker to learn. Cant wait for fielding my Deffrolla-Burnaboyz Battlewagon! Some hints on the release date?
A: No hints to be had... but we can say Burna Boyz are monstrous in the new edition.

Q: Harlquin preview image got my hopes up... but wouldn't it be cool if the guys on the transports can fight off them in melee without disembarking (Would make sense with the sculpts!) and make open topped vehicles like them way better.
A: Hey Andrew - there is very much both a Harlequin-specific article and a transports article on the way.

Q: Warhammer 40,000, great stuff! Love the tidbits...but...the article doesn't say what's coming up tomorrow. Keeping it a secret, or is today the last of the bread crumbs?
A: Plenty of breadcrumbs.....

Oh, ok, tomorrow's article is on Close Combat Weapons...

Q: Can you give us any info on how a vehicle’s firing arc will work in 8th now, since they “shoot just like everyone else”? Can my ShadowSword shoot backwards?
A: No information as of yet; for the rules on the Shadowsword, you'll need to wait and see the data sheet.

Q: I beg of you, might Warhammer 40,000, reveal if we can charge when we disembark or have to wait a turn.
A: There's a transports article on the way, we promise!

Q: What happens when Land Raiders come charging? Are the troops inside charging as well?
A: Watch out for the transports article, coming soon.

Q: This sounds great! You guys have done a lot of hard work. What's the release date?
A: Real Soon!

Q1: Speaking of vehicles can you share any information on how drop pods will function in the matched play setting? Will we be able to keep our full pod armies?
A1: Hey guys- well, we haven't covered transports yet - they get their own article soon.
Q2: Well we have a good theme going here why not keeping it going with the transport article tomorrow? I note that you dont have anything queued up
A2: Marneus Calgar My Lord Macragge.... ummm....we're sorry to have displeased you! But my Lord, we have that other article lined up tomorrow... you know the one.... the one we spoke about?

Do you really want them to miss that one?

Q: First of all THANK YOU for giving us at least a tidbit for Necrons, I will no longer complain about not getting anything =D

Second, so an annihilation barge has 8 W the same as a dreadnought which severely weakens it in comparison. Since there is no universal rules for armies can you just tell me there will be something (Anything doesn't need to be a specific example) Necronish to help our vehicles stay alive? Otherwise we just got nerfed harcdcore.
A: Hey Sam -Thank you for reading! it's worth waiting to see the full rules for the Annihilation Barge before dropping the "nerf" bomb. Perhaps they have other rules? Perhaps they are cheaper in points? (Note: we're not sure, but it's fun to speculate!)

Q: Thank the Emperor I can now safely reverse my Leman Russ squadrons into combat!
A: We hear Heavy Flamer sponsons on Leman Russ is the way forwards....

Q: Nothing on transportation rules?? #sadface
A: There is a whole new article coming for the transports real soon!

**Albino Squirrel**

davou wrote:
Albino Squirrel wrote:
Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

How is that good?

it would be stupid to have awesome masters of the carft of war come out... who were born in a tube last week

Eh, why? Normal space marines start out as good as a space marine.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Consolidating into combat is a thing again (!!!).
Power Fists are -1 To Hit.

**Requizen**

Consolidate into other combats!

**CoreCommander**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Consolidating into combat is a thing again (!!!).

Ninjaed me. Woohoo! Srsly, I've missed this rule soooo much

**ClockworkZion**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Power Fists are -1 To Hit.

I'm happy to say I guessed that one.

**Requizen**

Select Psychic powers rather than rolling. FINALLY

**davou**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
davou wrote:
Albino Squirrel wrote:
Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

How is that good?

it would be stupid to have awesome masters of the carft of war come out... who were born in a tube last week

Eh, why? Normal space marines start out as good as a space marine.

what? no they dont; in the fluff there are decades of hazing, ritual, initiation, deployment in the scouts, devestators before a marine even qualifies for a tactical squad, then hudnreds of years and battles before they get to be a veteran. Epic characters in the marine legions dont roll up going "Sup, names Donnald, Im hella good with an axe, and I got some ideas about battle strategy"

**Kanluwen**

Vryce wrote:

Well, to be fair, in those other articles, I don't think they mentioned those units in the preview (I didn't read the Chaos Daemons one, so maybe they did talk about them there). However, for Tau, they highlighted one of the more iconic units in their dex to showcase that rule. Possibly because Tau suits -don't like- being in CC. Whereas things like Scourges, DP's, Tzeentchian Daemon stuff, aren't nearly as fethed when that happens to them.

I can see both sides to the argument here, but I'm actually leaning a bit more to the side of the keyword "Fly" handing XV-8's this ability, which will very likely affect drones as well, since we can see they also have that keyword.

I'm not. I just don't see "Fly" allowing you to act normally after Falling Back. Falling Back has a penalty, and I can't imagine all the things that are currently Jump/Jet Pack Infantry, Jetbikes, Skimmers, or Flying Monstrous Creatures/Flyers getting a free out from Combat to keep shooting or to set up new charges that easily.

**Slayer-Fan123**

I like it was already mentioned that the Transport article was coming tomorrow or so, and yet half the FAQ was people asking about Transports.

This is why we can't have nice things.

**SickSix**

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

How is that good?

I thought people were worried about the existing space marines being phase out. Doesn't this pretty much guarantee that? Surely if a space marine can just be upgraded to a primaris marine, there would be no reason for the chapter masters and named characters to go through that procedure. I was thinking the existence of the named characters would be one of the few things preventing the elimination of "normal" marines.

EXACTLY! Space Marines will be completely phased out in 2-3 years. Called it! This is the mechanism for which they can justify not selling Space Marine kits anymore.

2018
SM player: Hey where did all my kits go?
GW: Oh all marines have been converted into Primaris Marines now! Isn't that awesome? Here you can have the privelege of buying 5 of these AMAZING models for only $60!

**YeOldSaltPotato**

davou wrote:
Q: what happened to mark 9 armor

A: LOLWUT, its a space myssssterrrrryyyyyy

If they have legitimately made a windows 10 joke with the armor marks we may be angling back to the GW I loved as a kid.

**ClockworkZion**

SickSix wrote:
Albino Squirrel wrote:
Crimson wrote:
OK. Fluff-wise existing Marines can be 'upgraded' into Primaris. This is good.

How is that good?

I thought people were worried about the existing space marines being phase out. Doesn't this pretty much guarantee that? Surely if a space marine can just be upgraded to a primaris marine, there would be no reason for the chapter masters and named characters to go through that procedure. I was thinking the existence of the named characters would be one of the few things preventing the elimination of "normal" marines.

EXACTLY! Space Marines will be completely phased out in 2-3 years. Called it! This is the mechanism for which they can justify not selling Space Marine kits anymore.

2108
SM player: Hey where did all my kits go?
GW: Oh all marines have been converted into Primaris Marines now! Isn't that awesome? Here you can have the privelege of buying 5 of these AMAZING models for only $60!

Chicken Little comes in M40 versions?

**davou**

unlimited number of units in a transport!

**Kanluwen**

Shocking literally noone, characters can ride in transports with units.

Also a transport capacity 10 transport can carry 2 five man units.

**DCannon4Life**

Transport "Capacity" simply indicates the # of models a transport can carry! Confirmed on Live Stream just now; Characters can catch rides, as long as there's room.